Sitting here watching the trading in tariffs between US and Canada.

Kind of wondering what will hit us? Ted Cruz has expressed his displeasure at some of our politics. Though he got them wrong.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/pol...gration-requirements

you thought it will stop with canada, greenland, colombia, mexico and panama lol how naive you are ,,,...

One of the problems is that all these countries are also using us as dumping ground for their goods and therefore propping up their economies
But the big picture is, they dump illegals…let them coming in through their countries without doing anything about that and how then do you force them to do anything about that?

I so look forward to paying 25 percent more for my avocados and other produce. Thank you Orange Monkey, you ignorant ass.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
One of the problems is that all these countries are also using us as dumping ground for their goods and therefore propping up their economies
But the big picture is, they dump illegals…let them coming in through their countries without doing anything about that and how then do you force them to do anything about that?

well once you remove for canada the equation of natural gas/lng and oil and derivates the balance is in your favor now what will happen for canada? they will have to find a new market for purchasing stuffs and selling oil and lng ... in the same taken we re not even responsible for !% for legal immigrants or fentanyl problems to your country ... we should pay more for our defense and nato contributions that is a given but the financial/economic attacks/wars done to us will not end well and i cannot imagine how you will do get deals on electricity, steel and alloy/aluminium, rubbers etc that you need and will continue to need ... look up the maths on electricity your country is buying/purchasing from us where are you getting it when it will be bad in relationship? from the central plant (coal, diesel or nuclear) that you do not have?

What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

Might Nunavut secede from the 51st state...?

. . . let's just call it what it is, a tax increase.

On an economy that according to Republicans is unstable.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

Might Nunavut secede from the 51st state...?

im pretty sure you will find people willing to be us people but i doubt if you are making a referendum today that many will even vote on agreement with this after the love messages sent by your president ...

This will certainly bring the price of eggs down...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This will certainly bring the price of eggs down...

you didn't care about the price of eggs 60 days ago, hypocrite

The price of eggs is being driven up by the avain flu affecting supply to demand.

I said it long ago.


I think your opposition point is President ran and was elected on everyday prices being too high.

This bit of policy will not bring those everyday prices down nor stabilize them. It will only increase prices.

It does not matter that Jeff does not care about the price of eggs, everyday prices. What matters is the voters do, and President Trump has now betrayed them. President Trump has single handed raises prices.

Everyone said he would not do it. That he was bluffing. That he was trolling. Well, get ready to pay more.

worth the reading:

https://www.reuters.com/world/...da-china-2025-02-02/

Trump says Americans could feel 'pain' in trade war with Mexico, Canada, China

Summary

US faces retaliation from Canada and Mexico
Experts warn of inflation, slower economic growth
Goldman Sachs expects tariffs to be short-lived
Investors worry about additional Trump steps

WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Sunday the sweeping tariffs that he has imposed on Mexico, Canada and China may cause "some pain" for Americans, as Wall Street and the largest U.S. trading partners signaled hope that the trade war would not last long.
Trump, who began his second term as president on Jan. 20, defended the tariffs that he announced on Saturday. Canada and Mexico said they were working together to face the 25% U.S. duties on imports, which promise to jolt the integrated economies of three North American countries that have had free-trade agreements for decades.
Canada and Mexico immediately vowed retaliatory measures after Trump's announcement on Saturday. China said it would challenge Trump's 10% tariffs at the World Trade Organization and take unspecified countermeasures.
Critics said that the moves against the three largest U.S. trading partners will hurt Americans by driving prices higher and slowing global growth.
Trump defended his decision on social media on Sunday.
"The USA has major deficits with Canada, Mexico, and China (and almost all countries!), owes 36 Trillion Dollars, and we’re not going to be the 'Stupid Country' any longer," the Republican president wrote.
Writing in capital letters, Trump added, "This will be the golden age of America! Will there be some pain? Yes, maybe (and maybe not!)."
Trump did not specify what he meant by "some pain."
A model gauging the economic impact of Trump's tariff plan from EY Chief Economist Greg Daco suggests it would reduce U.S. economic growth by 1.5 percentage points this year, throw Canada and Mexico into recession and usher in "stagflation" - high inflation, stagnant economic growth and elevated unemployment - at home.
Financial markets were closed over the weekend but the measures will initially be felt when U.S. stock futures trading 6 p.m. ET (2300 GMT) on Sunday. Markets were awaiting developments with anxiety, but some analysts said there had been some hope for negotiations, especially with Canada and China.
"With only two days before implementation, the tariffs look likely to take effect, though a last-minute compromise cannot be completely ruled out," Goldman Sachs economists said in a note Sunday.
They added that since the White House set very general conditions for their removal, the levies are likely to be temporary, "but the outlook is unclear."
The Trump tariffs, outlined in three executive orders, are due to take effect on at 12:01 a.m. ET (0501 GMT) on Tuesday. Trump vowed to keep them in place until what he described as a national emergency over fentanyl, a deadly opioid, and illegal immigration to the United States ends.
China left the door open for talks with the United States. Its sharpest pushback was over fentanyl.
"Fentanyl is America's problem," China's foreign ministry said, adding that China has taken extensive measures to combat the problem.
Canada's ambassador to the United States, Kirsten Hillman, on Sunday signaled hope for an agreement.
"We're hopeful that they don't come into effect on Tuesday," Hillman said on ABC's "This Week" program.
Hillman said Canadian officials are ready to keep talking to the United States but that Canadians expect that their government "stands up for itself."
Trump has sounded particularly dismissive toward Canada, with calls for the country to become the 51st U.S. state and saying it "ceases to exist as a viable country" without its "massive subsidy."
A Reuters/Ipsos poll released last week showed Americans were divided on tariffs, with 54% opposing new duties on imported goods and 43% in support, with Democrats more opposed and Republicans more supportive.
FOLLOWING THROUGH
The tariff announcement made good on Trump's repeated threat during the 2024 presidential campaign and since taking office, defying warnings from top economists that a new trade war with the top American trade partners would erode U.S. and global growth, while raising prices for consumers and companies.
Less than two weeks into his second term, Trump is upending the norms of how the United States is governed and interacts with its neighbors and wider world.
Trump declared the national emergency under laws called the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and the National Emergencies Act to back the tariffs. They give the president sweeping powers to impose sanctions to address crises.
Trade lawyers said Trump was once again testing the limits of U.S. laws, and the tariffs could face legal challenges. Democratic lawmakers Suzan DelBene and Don Beyer decried what they called a blatant abuse of executive power.
Republicans welcomed Trump's action. Industry groups and Democrats issued warnings about the impact on prices.
"Who will suffer most? American consumers - who will face skyrocketing prices on everything from groceries to gas to cars," U.S. Representative Josh Gottheimer wrote on social media.
INVESTORS LOOK AHEAD
Investors were considering the effects of additional tariffs promised by Trump, including those related to oil and gas, as well as steel, aluminum, semiconductor chips and pharmaceuticals. Trump has also vowed actions against the European Union.
"It's only a matter of time before the EU is targeted," said Marchel Alexandrovich of Saltmarch Economics in London.
The European Union said it was not aware of any additional tariffs being imposed on EU products. A European Commission spokesperson said the EU believes tariffs are harmful to all sides but "would respond firmly to any trading partner that unfairly or arbitrarily imposes tariffs on EU goods."
Europe's biggest carmaker, Volkswagen (VOWG_p.DE)
, opens new tab, said it was counting on talks to avoid trade conflict.
Automakers would be particularly hard hit, with new steep tariffs on vehicles built in Canada and Mexico burdening a vast regional supply chain where parts can cross borders several times before final assembly.
HURTING AMERICANS
In a message aimed at Americans, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said U.S. citizens would be hurt by rising grocery and gasoline prices, as well as the possible shuttering of auto assembly plants and limited supplies of metals and minerals. Trudeau urged Canadians to boycott the United States and its goods.
Trudeau said on Saturday evening that Canada would respond with 25% tariffs against $155 billion of U.S. goods, including beer, wine, lumber and appliances, beginning with $30 billion taking effect on Tuesday and $125 billion 21 days later.
Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum did not provide details on planned retaliatory tariffs.
A White House fact sheet said the tariffs would stay in place "until the crisis alleviated," but gave no details on what the three countries would need to do to win a reprieve.
Trump imposed only a 10% duty on energy products from Canada after concerns raised by oil refiners and Midwestern states. At nearly $100 billion in 2023, imports of crude oil accounted for roughly a quarter of all U.S. imports from Canada, according to U.S. Census Bureau data.
The White House officials said that Canada specifically would no longer be allowed the "de minimis" U.S. duty exemption for shipments under $800. The officials said Canada, along with Mexico, has become a conduit for shipments of fentanyl and its precursor chemicals into the U.S. via small packages that are not often inspected by customs agents.

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Meanwhile Putin will be loving the instability of brothers fighting.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Meanwhile Putin will be loving the instability of brothers fighting.

Putin's Puppet will always dance to his master's tune.

Meanwhile the folks who have bitched for years about "unelected bureaucrats" (civil servants) have now turned the keys to the Treasury, literally, over to Elon Musk, never elected, holding no position authorized by Congress and subject to none of the ethics rules applicable to Federal employees.

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

Mexico more of course but Canada is not saint either…and for that matter we are not either
But tariffs are here so everyone will have a chance to play more honest game in trade…maybe

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Meanwhile Putin will be loving the instability of brothers fighting.

Well, we are loving his instability for awhile so now the shoe is maybe on the other foot

Funny how it always works

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

Mexico more of course but Canada is not saint either…and for that matter we are not either
But tariffs are here so everyone will have a chance to play more honest game in trade…maybe

lol we will see at the end ... but i cannot tell you the support for more tariffs from us is gaining in canada ... even trudeau will never had dreamt of ... that will be interesting once the crisis is gone ...

Yep, tariffs to raise the price of living when the guy ran on price of living being too high.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Yep, tariffs to raise the price of living when the guy ran on price of living being too high.

Watch the unemployment rate when carmakers shut down and the refineries designed for Canadian oil have none.

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:

quote:

Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
What do you call Biden when he let in millions of illegals?
What if it was the other way around?
It’s easy to call names

were they all coming from canada? retaliation going to the wrong country ... at the end if you or your president want to annex us, do not pretend on false matters do it and see how warmth the welcome will be if you think we want to be the 51st state ...

Mexico more of course but Canada is not saint either…and for that matter we are not either
But tariffs are here so everyone will have a chance to play more honest game in trade…maybe

lol we will see at the end ... but i cannot tell you the support for more tariffs from us is gaining in canada ... even trudeau will never had dreamt of ... that will be interesting once the crisis is gone ...

Nobody likes it but it’s here so we’ll see
Life is just not fair at times but hunting season is always around the corner so life can be good if we embrace it

On a matter more in keeping with the accurate reloading platform, the US has been restricting the export of shooting related products into Canada for the last 25 years, with restrictions becoming more onerous with each passing year. The Canadian target shooter and gunsmiths have been singled out for special restrictions. In addition, Canadian-made IMR powders are all shipped to the US, then exported, with restrictions, back to Canada. Canadian goods should be for Canadians first. Regards, Bill

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This will certainly bring the price of eggs down...

you didn't care about the price of eggs 60 days ago, hypocrite

Isn't that something???? The lefties had nothing to say about inflation then?

I would much rather pay more for friggen avocados than have all the criminal illegals and drugs screaming across our borders!

Looks like Mexico has come to their senses.

Winning!

BTW- It's always been my understanding just about every other country out there charges some sort of tariff or VAT on US imports.

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I would much rather pay more for friggen avocados than have all the criminal illegals and drugs screaming across our borders!

I remember when avo's used to be 4/$1. Mexico marked them up significantly and even more so during 0biden's covid years. I very rarely buy them anymore due to that. I won't support BS.

Well it looks like the emotional outburst and hysteria have been misplaced at least as to Mexico.
Lets focus our overreaction on canada and/or china before they get resolved.

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
Well it looks like the emotional outburst and hysteria have been misplaced at least as to Mexico.
Lets focus our overreaction on canada and/or china before they get resolved.

Yes, all the crybabies here can move on.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
Well it looks like the emotional outburst and hysteria have been misplaced at least as to Mexico.
Lets focus our overreaction on canada and/or china before they get resolved.

Yes, all the crybabies here can move on.

I think Canada should help President Trump out by putting a self-imposed tariff on energy. It only makes sense to bump up the cost of hydro-electric power by 50% or so. That way, the north eastern states and California can feel more like they are doing their fair share. Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This will certainly bring the price of eggs down...

you didn't care about the price of eggs 60 days ago, hypocrite

Isn't that something???? The lefties had nothing to say about inflation then?

I would much rather pay more for friggen avocados than have all the criminal illegals and drugs screaming across our borders!

In 2020, the M2 measure of money supply rose from $15 trillion to $18 trillion.
Under the Trump I administration. Should we think this had no effect on inflation?
A 20 percent increase in money supply during a period when real GNP declined?

https://www.bea.gov/news/2021/...2020-second-estimate

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
This will certainly bring the price of eggs down...

you didn't care about the price of eggs 60 days ago, hypocrite

Did he vote for trump and his plan to reduce the price of eggs? And bacon, oy vey, don’t get me started on bacon.

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Originally posted by frankinthelaurels:
Again !!! The gutless coward treasonous bullshit artist gave in and will claim he won .... just like his mass deportation horseshit..all over the news for 48 hours and 75% arrested now are back out on the streets the same day....sooner or later the 49% of Americans will wake up and realize it's the same old bullshit all over again....what a COWARD !! Listen to how sick he has because...

Relax. There will be plenty of fentanyl. Lithium as well.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
On a matter more in keeping with the accurate reloading platform, the US has been restricting the export of shooting related products into Canada for the last 25 years, with restrictions becoming more onerous with each passing year. The Canadian target shooter and gunsmiths have been singled out for special restrictions. In addition, Canadian-made IMR powders are all shipped to the US, then exported, with restrictions, back to Canada. Canadian goods should be for Canadians first. Regards, Bill

I’d like to see why byt me thinks, it might do with Canadian regulations in the way
But that’s just my assumption

Oh, Canada! Love you all but this is kinda funny.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Looks like Mexico has come to their senses.

Winning!

BTW- It's always been my understanding just about every other country out there charges some sort of tariff or VAT on US imports.

Imagine that?????

Carrot and a stick.....mescans are so predictable....thos other Mexicos are too!

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Originally posted by Navaluk:

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Originally posted by frankinthelaurels:
Again !!! The gutless coward treasonous bullshit artist gave in and will claim he won .... just like his mass deportation horseshit..all over the news for 48 hours and 75% arrested now are back out on the streets the same day....sooner or later the 49% of Americans will wake up and realize it's the same old bullshit all over again....what a COWARD !! Listen to how sick he has because...

Relax. There will be plenty of fentanyl. Lithium as well.

If anyone can use it old frank can!

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Oh, Canada! Love you all but this is kinda funny.

Snow mexicans!!!!? Oh dammit!!!!

Ms. Ann.....that just ain't fair! Ill be cleaning my screen for days!!!! Snow mexicans