A hard core Trump supporter has asked challenged me to come up with two examples of Trump doing harm to the country. He says he will be back tomorrow for answers.

Of course I can name several harmful things.

Also, of course, I'm open minded so I'll ask the flip side question:

Name two things Trump has done that are good for the Country. Provide evidence please.

So, I'm asking for input. What I need is objectivity, Name the harmful thing and explain why it is harmful. Or name the good thing and explain why it's good.


Here's an example:

Trump has convinced his followers that it's a good thing (good intentions for the country, and only he can fix it) if he and team rig the next elections so repugs win. Why? To keep the evil Dems out of power.

If you are a conservative or republican, perhaps two different things, then say it ain't so, and name something else.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Here's what AI says:

AI Overview
While opinions vary on the overall impact of the Trump presidency, here are two examples of actions taken during his term that have been cited as harmful to the country:

Weakening the Stability of the Economy:

According to the Center for American Progress, the Trump administration's erratic trade policies, including the threat and imposition of tariffs, created economic uncertainty. This instability reportedly discouraged investment and raised concerns about a global recession.

Undermining Democratic Institutions and the Rule of Law:

Some critics, including Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the Center for American Progress, point to actions such as attempts to influence elections, misusing federal power, and weakening the independence of agencies and the media as damaging to democratic principles. This includes issues like the handling of the 2020 Census and the firing of independent watchdogs.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
A hard core Trump supporter has asked challenged me to come up with two examples of Trump doing harm to the country. He says he will be back tomorrow for answers.

Of course I can name several harmful things.

So, I'm asking for input. What I need is objectivity, Name the harmful thing and explain why it is harmful.

Here's an example:

Trump has convinced his followers that it's a good thing (good intentions for the country, and only he can fix it) if he and team rig the next elections so repugs win. Why? To keep the evil Dems out of power.

If you are a conservative or republican, perhaps two different things, then say it ain't so, and name something else.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Here's what AI says:

AI Overview
While opinions vary on the overall impact of the Trump presidency, here are two examples of actions taken during his term that have been cited as harmful to the country:

Weakening the Stability of the Economy:

According to the Center for American Progress, the Trump administration's erratic trade policies, including the threat and imposition of tariffs, created economic uncertainty. This instability reportedly discouraged investment and raised concerns about a global recession.

Undermining Democratic Institutions and the Rule of Law:

Some critics, including Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the Center for American Progress, point to actions such as attempts to influence elections, misusing federal power, and weakening the independence of agencies and the media as damaging to democratic principles. This includes issues like the handling of the 2020 Census and the firing of independent watchdogs.

one thing that came to me is the lost relationship with your northern neighbour and ally...

BTW, I edited the OP, so the quote isn't whole. I was still editing.

That's an example of why sometimes I don't quote a previous post fully, just parts.

Anyway, for example:

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Originally posted by medved:
one thing that came to me is the lost relationship with your northern neighbour and ally...

That's a good start, but I ask - is the relationship "lost" or just changed, perhaps temp?

And how is it changed for harm, and do you think it will last?

And what is your opinion re other allies, such as European, etc. Are the consequences different compared to Canada?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
BTW, I edited the OP, so the quote isn't whole.

That's an example of why sometimes I don't quote a previous post fully, just parts.

Anyway, for example:

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Originally posted by medved:
one thing that came to me is the lost relationship with your northern neighbour and ally...

That's a good start, but I ask - is the relationship "lost" or just changed, perhaps temp?

And how is it changed for harm, and do you think it will last?

it will take a lot of love to recover if doable and possible which i can guarantee ... even if people are making the difference between the head and the people we cannot forgot all the followers of the cult of the supreme leader and all the statemnents that they do not need canada nor what we have to offer lol let alone the 51st state ...

Thanks.

Well, you have love from some of us. Is it enough despite Trump(ism)? That's an open question and it can't be answered yet.

Your point is legit.

You named one thing.

Can you name another?

I think that, Canada aside, he’s caused the entire international community to lose trust in the U.S.

Things like that disgraceful meeting with Zelenskyy in the Oval Office do not go unnoticed. The flip flops on his ridiculous tariff policies, his constantly shifting objectives re:foreign policy, his penchant for appointing loyalists instead of those most qualified, his petulant denigrating of scientists and highly experienced professionals who don’t agree with him - the list goes on and on, with the result that the rest of the world can only conclude that the U.S. is in the hands of a mentally unstable megalomaniacal buffoon.

The erasing of African American, trans and gay moments from our discourse.

The violations of due process.

The erosion of trust in our elections and judicial system based on lies.

The voiding the 14th Amendment w an executive order.

Redistributed wealth from elderly, poor, and disabled to the most wealthy oligarchs while adding trillions to the debt.

Tariffs and his attempts to force the Fed to cut interest rates are detrimental to the cost of living to most Americans.

Medved, I did a little research regarding your concerns. It led me on a different track, somewhat.

I remember reading some article about US citizens returning to the US from Canada, which as I recall said something about agents searching electronic devices for criticism of Trump.

Here's a result of search:

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Excerpt:

Concerns about Targeting: There are increasing reports suggesting that CBP searches are being used to target individuals based on their political views. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and others have raised concerns that border searches can violate First Amendment rights (freedom of speech and association) and lead to self-censorship, according to NPR. Cases exist where individuals were reportedly denied entry or deported based on anti-Trump comments found on their devices or online.

Does anyone have comment on the crashing of the Dept of Education, and the funding cuts for the EPA?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
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The violations of due process.

Obama deported over 1,000x and MOST of them never faced an immigration judge -- i guess it's only bad when trump does it -- oh, you used to say trump couldn't NOT SPEND dollars allocated to departments, SCOTUS disagrees.. and you liked to say trump isn't free to fire anyone in the executive branch that he wants (other than special counsels) -- SCOTUS say .. NAH

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The erosion of trust in our elections and judicial system based on lies.

are you saying out elections aren't secure? becoming an election denier because you didn't like the outcome? and, OH MY GOODNESSS there was NO LYING in Court before trump .. steele dossier and repeated LIES to FISA courts

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


The voiding the 14th Amendment w an executive order.

help me out here.. is the 14th amendment voided RIGHT NOW? CAN it be voided by EO? ah, well, that's a question for our friends on SCOTUS, as our pleb opinions mean JACK

here's your homework .. when the 14th was passed, BY REPUBLICANS, the parole discussion was to acknowledge former slaves an their children as citizens -- and if EVERYONE was a citizen, why did congress pass the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act ? Why? it's RIGHT THERE in the label -- but, practical question, if South African illegals hopped into you home lot, broke into the garage, and had a child in the garage, are you going to put said child in the will? oh, yeah, and they are fighting back that they got it "fair and square" .. just squatters, really

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Originally posted by LHeym500:


Redistributed wealth from elderly, poor, and disabled to the most wealthy oligarchs while adding trillions to the debt.

WOW, if that were even close to true, it would be AMAZING -- idiots on the left, who have trouble with math, believe that a HIGHER percentage tax cut for those under 400k is less than a lower percentage tax cut on the wealthy -- NEVERMIND that 80+% of ALL income taxes are paid by the top 11% -- the data is right there on IRS.GOV --

So, "right here on the label" -- the average taxpayer makes 50k net taxable income - 2017 (and extended by BBB) gave filers DOUBLE the standard deduction - from 13k to 24 - i am aware it's not exactly double, but it's math, so i am trying to go easy - which reduced taxable income by 11k -- A TWENTY TWO percent reduction in taxable income .. poof, gone.. that's HALF of america - oh, yeah, which also increased unearned income tax credit -

FURTHER
"the ultra wealthy" .. according to IRS scales, not some made up non-sense, went down from 39.6 to 37% . a reduction of (doesn't matter, this is snake oil) 2.6 gross percent - it REAL MATH terms, that's a 6+% reduction



most certainly NOT a "maga" bias website
https://taxpolicycenter.org/br...hange-personal-taxes

ON TOP of the MASSIVE decrease in taxable income - this CLEARLY shows that a large population moved DOWN a tax bracket -
this is a ~9% over all decrease in tax, all in, but only on the marginal tax rates - it doesn't mention the 11 k, taking MOST people that would have paid the bottom tax rate OUT of an effective tax liability

talking out the 200k and over crowd, the REAL benefit to middle class was an AVERAGE of 12% reduction --

For those that struggle with MATH, that's about DOUBLE what the "ultra wealthy" received -- but wait, there's more

the TRUE middle class actually received an AVERAGE of 15% .. that's 2.5 TIMES the reduction of the tax rate on the wealthy -

but those on the bottom end of income scale, that making at a within +/-50% of the HIGHLY adjusted down standard deduction, received an WHOPPING 20% reduction in taxes AFTER an 11k reduction in possible taxable income.

also reduced the threshold for medical expense from 10% of gross to 7.5% of gross -- yeah, let's claw that back and help out the upper upper middle class and down -- the people that can use a reduction of up to 32% reduction in tax liability

oh, and doubling the family benefits "child tax credit"

"oh oh oh, but the ULTRA got more dollars back" .. yeah, math -- if you are paying a TON of tax income, a 2.6% decrease has circumstances where the $$$ are more .. except our tax system is based off levels of income .. drop rates with 1% for the "ultra" but 10% for the not, there's lots of cases where the 1% cut COULD be more $$, but at multiples of marginal rates -- shockingly, this isn't a multi-variable calculus problem, just good old matrix -- culd even be solved, less elegantly, with a couple algebra formulas -- i wouldn't ask you to try

as for me? i got SHANKED -- while i got a HUGE 1% reduction in marginal rates for 2018, by 2019, i was right back in the 0% change -- then bounced around after BIDEN and dems FUBARED the economy

basically, i lost ground, due to the SALT limit -- yay, BBB quadruples that .. you can rest easy about your SALT tax

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Tariffs and his attempts to force the Fed to cut interest rates are detrimental to the cost of living to most Americans.

hmm, pick one -- this "Argument" cuts both ways-- inflation under trump has been LOWER than the inflation in the first 6 months of 2024 ---
The fed REFUSED, under their stated parameters, to cut interest rates in the months that had lower inflation rates than when they cut it, just before the election -- BOOK 'EM for election interference!!

as far as tariffs causing inflation - i hadn't noticed OVER the "real inflation" of 21, 22, 23 being well past 10% -- heck, you even trot out your (lies) price per dozen of eggs, after the fact, and scream "they are higher than 30-60-90 days ago) -- look, a dozen eggs at IGA was NEVER $14 .. or, to be truthful, never $13.99

oh, wait, june, budget surplus --

i'll throw this in, at the end, as by now, some of my readers are FROTHING at the month --

i can like the RESULTS of actions without liking the PARTY of actions...

and if the 2017 tax cuts, exactly like the "bush" tax cuts, were so darn horrible, and any dang fool can see that, why didn't biden and/or obama act against them, in obama's case, renewing them?

Listen, and let's be clear, i will never consider a person as a "serious person" if they can't accept that "those dummies passed it, we have to revoke it ---- but don't to avoid political fallout" as a reasonable answer .. obama could have veto'ed the OBAMA tax cuts, but didn't.. i think he knows more about the inner workings of the swamp better than ALL of us on AR .. and he felt the downside of canceling them was POLITICAL suicide (Carvell said the same) -- OBAMA could have reset the "irresponsible" bush tax cuts - but didn't, as it wasn't politically savvy. Obiden could have PASSED A BUDGET, for nearly any amount, and changed the tax code -- but didn't

I mean, post as you like, but getting out of emotive outburst posting might make you look like a serious person

oh, nice job, no noticed glaring typos to detract from your message, did you turn over a new leaf?

for a fun little kicker --
do you notice i called your ACTIONS this and that -- i didn't libel you with being a liar from presumption without facts ..

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Thanks.

Well, you have love from some of us. Is it enough despite Trump(ism)? That's an open question and it can't be answered yet.

Your point is legit.

You named one thing.

Can you name another?

sure the betrayal of our ally: the Ukraine.

i do love reading time after time jeffe still defending trump while he is pretending not having voted for him ... up to the end jeffe,up to the end ...

Wow, jeffee, did you write that rant or did someone write it for you? I didn't know you had it in you.

Anyway, one point you made was a chart the hinges on taxable income and the associated tax rate.

Search: how the wealthy avoid paying taxes

AI Overview
Many of the wealthy legally reduce or avoid taxes through various strategies and loopholes in the current tax system.

Here's how some of these strategies work:

1. The "buy, borrow, die" strategy
This strategy leverages the fact that the U.S. tax system primarily taxes income, not wealth.
Buy assets: Wealthy individuals acquire assets that appreciate in value over time, such as stocks, real estate, and fine art.

Borrow against assets:
Instead of selling appreciated assets and triggering capital gains tax, they borrow against these assets to fund their lifestyle or invest further. Loans are not considered income and are therefore not taxed.

Die and pass assets tax-free: Upon death, inherited assets benefit from a "step-up in basis", meaning the cost basis is reset to the fair market value at the time of death, eliminating capital gains tax for the heirs.

2. Converting personal assets to business expenses

This strategy allows wealthy individuals to deduct the costs of luxury items by classifying them as business expenses. For example:

Placing private jets and yachts under corporate ownership structures allows billionaires to deduct operational costs, depreciation, and maintenance as business expenses, even with occasional personal use.

3. Investing in industries with tax breaks
Certain industries, like oil, gas, and real estate, offer significant tax advantages to encourage investment. For instance:

Investing in oil and gas allows for large deductions for expenses like drilling costs, potentially reducing or eliminating taxes on the investment.

Real estate investors can deduct expenses like mortgage interest, property taxes, and depreciation, further reducing their taxable income.

4. Donor-advised funds and charitable contributions

Setting up charitable foundations or using donor-advised funds (DAFs) offers immediate tax deductions and the flexibility to decide later when and how to distribute the funds.
Additionally, donating appreciated securities to charity allows for a tax deduction of the full market value without incurring capital gains tax.

5. Trusts and gifting strategies

Trusts can help transfer wealth across generations, protect assets, and minimize gift and estate taxes. Strategic gifting also allows for transferring wealth to heirs without incurring gift tax, within certain limits, reducing the taxable estate over time.

6. Tax-loss harvesting
This technique involves strategically selling off investments that have incurred losses and using those losses to offset capital gains from other investments, thus reducing overall tax liability.

7. Using tax-advantaged retirement and savings accounts
Contributions to accounts like 401(k)s, IRAs, and HSAs offer tax deferral or even tax-free growth and withdrawals, reducing current taxable income and maximizing long-term wealth accumulation.

8. Taking small salaries
Business owners or executives with large holdings often opt for low salaries, minimizing their ordinary income tax burden, and rely instead on stock packages and investment gains for their wealth, which may be taxed at a lower capital gains rate.

It's important to remember that many of these strategies are complex and require the assistance of financial advisors and tax professionals. While these tactics are legal within the current tax framework, they raise questions about fairness and contribute to wealth inequality, leading to calls for tax reform and closer scrutiny of these practices.

https://www.google.com/search?...gHHg&sclient=gws-wiz

Letting the Democrats steal the 2020 election is the only thing that comes to mind.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Letting the Democrats steal the 2020 election is the only thing that comes to mind.

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Originally posted by medved:
i do love reading time after time jeffe still defending trump while he is pretending not having voted for him ... up to the end jeffe,up to the end ...

yeah, keep yapping, subject -- you have more freedom of speech here than in your homeland --

but i included a line, YOUR for you

i can like the RESULTS of actions without liking the PARTY of actions...


oh, btw, i have NO idea how you were raised, but calling out lies is kind of part of being a Texan and a Boy Scout - silly me.. acting with ethics and honesty --

oh well, wth, you're a subject, what do you know of freemen?

There is harm from the lies Trump told/tells and the parroting and amplifying.

I think the Heritage Foundation with their project 2025 is harmful too.

But here's something specific:

I think these far right orgs and the people who populate them are very harmful. They whitewash lies.

https://youtu.be/9aHZS0FcPk4?si=J--046z0cvIs4tG7

Why Hasn’t Comey Been Arrested Yet?

Judicial Watch

In your case, being a lying piece of shit is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Letting the Democrats steal the 2020 election is the only thing that comes to mind.

normally i would taunt stevie into another outburst, but yeah, the 2020 election, with all the math anomalies, was a loss for trump

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

His #1 crime is that he has made blatant lying the norm. He destroyed trust in our courts, openly flaunts the constitution, weaponized the DOJ, appointed totally unqualified people to every important post, unfunded gov't assistance where it's needed most, denies science, destroyed the CDC, killing education, trying to destroy our social safety nets such as medicaid, threatening SS, getting rid of at least 30K who work in veterans healthcare, made us the laughing stock of the world, don't get me started on the tariffs, destroying ag markets overseas, a trillion dollar tax cut for the 1% while claiming we can't afford the student debt relief that benefits millions, weaponizing federal aid for disasters depending on whether or not you kiss his ass, firing anyone he can that disagrees with him on anything......hell, it would take a novel & this is just a start.

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Originally posted by wymple:
His #1 crime is that he has made blatant lying the norm.

so, tell us you are new to politics without......

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of shit. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of sh!t. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

tissue?

say, what's the GDP of Colorado vs Texas?

oh, wait, i found it

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In 2023, the annual GDP of Texas was $2,583,866 million, whereas Colorado's annual GDP was $529,627 million

seriously? 1/2 a billion? my company has higher revenue than the entirety of colorado? dude WOW

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


i can like the RESULTS of actions without liking the PARTY of actions...

Hummm

We have discussed that before. I think you are talking about consequentialism, judging actions or means based on their outcomes.

It's the end justifies the means principle.

Due process and the rule of law has the base principle of the means, or process, justifies the end, or outcome. The constitution is a means justifies the end document.

Not prosecuting Hillary and other Dims is probably another one.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


i can like the RESULTS of actions without liking the PARTY of actions...

Hummm

We have discussed that before. I think you are talking about consequentialism, judging actions or means based on their outcomes.

It's the end justifies the means principle.

Due process and the rule of law has the base principle of the means, or process, justifies the end, or outcome. The constitution is a means justifies the end document.

wow, you are reading more into a statement than you usually read-

I enjoyed the boom under clinton, too .. obama and obiden, not so much

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of sh!t. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

tissue?

say, what's the GDP of Colorado vs Texas?

Say, mountains or an urban shit hole with a desert climate? Tough choice. Gdp of a State? It might matter if business was restricted to the state you are set up in, get a clue dumb ass, business is nation wide these days. Thats right, you failed when trying to become self employed, now I see why.

How did you end up being such a lying piece of shit? Abused as a child? You are trash.

Wipe your lips with that tissue Princess, you look like hell with that orange smegma on your lips.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of sh!t. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

tissue?

say, what's the GDP of Colorado vs Texas?

Say, mountains or an urban shit hole with a desert climate? Tough choice. Gdp of a State? It might matter if business was restricted to the state you are set up in, get a clue dumb ass, business is nation wide these days. Thats right, you failed when trying to become self employed, now I see why.

How did you end up being such a lying piece of sh!t? Abused as a child? You are trash.

Wipe your lips with that tissue Princess, you look like hell with that orange smegma on your lips.

tissue?
hmm, you homophobia is showing, you might seek help with that

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of sh!t. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

tissue?

say, what's the GDP of Colorado vs Texas?

Say, mountains or an urban shit hole with a desert climate? Tough choice. Gdp of a State? It might matter if business was restricted to the state you are set up in, get a clue dumb ass, business is nation wide these days. Thats right, you failed when trying to become self employed, now I see why.

How did you end up being such a lying piece of sh!t? Abused as a child? You are trash.

Wipe your lips with that tissue Princess, you look like hell with that orange smegma on your lips.

tissue?
hmm, you homophobia is showing, you might seek help with that

Its okay, he's your Daddy

The more I think about it....orange might be your color, it really goes well with your eyes Princess

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
In your case, being a lying piece of sh!t is part of being a Texan Jeffe.

Ethics? Honesty? YOU???

You are trash...at best Jeffe.

tissue?

You would not know ethics if you were kicked in your camel toe by it....lying piece of sh!t. Use your tissue to wipe the orange smegma from your lips.

Texas trash....

tissue?

say, what's the GDP of Colorado vs Texas?

Say, mountains or an urban shit hole with a desert climate? Tough choice. Gdp of a State? It might matter if business was restricted to the state you are set up in, get a clue dumb ass, business is nation wide these days. Thats right, you failed when trying to become self employed, now I see why.

How did you end up being such a lying piece of sh!t? Abused as a child? You are trash.

Wipe your lips with that tissue Princess, you look like hell with that orange smegma on your lips.

tissue?
hmm, you homophobia is showing, you might seek help with that

Its okay, he's your Daddy

The more I think about it....orange might be your color, it really goes well with your eyes Princess

yeah, my dad's been dead for almost 10 years . you have an ash fetish?

tissue?

the most hilarious jeffe is that you put me on your ignored list and even if you are deflecting about canadians being subject and you being a free man lol honestly let s continue that way and having the world celebrating and mocking you ... how long do you think it will take for your country to recover ... while we are finding new markets ... lng is flowing to asia from canada ...

on homophobia you have done you share here in calling people by feminim name ... something maybe you did not accept that happened in your family ... you do know that the people that do not care about what is happening in the house is business of people not yours for a freeman you are not that good lol

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Originally posted by medved:
the most hilarious jeffe is that you put me on your ignored list and even if you are deflecting about canadians being subject and you being a free man lol honestly let s continue that way and having the world celebrating and mocking you ... how long do you think it will take for your country to recover ... while we are finding new markets ... lng is flowing to asia from canada ...

on homophobia you have done you share here in calling people by feminim name ... something maybe you did not accept that happened in your family ... you do know that the people that do not care about what is happening in the house is business of people not yours for a freeman you are not that good lol

subject, my ignore list is mine -

when actually PEACEFUL protest by truckers happened in your dominion, they freezed those accounts, based on insurrection -- nothing past this point is relevant -- YAY, canuckistan has lng .. pay for all you want
calling maggie, grandma ken, and occasionally wymple feminine name -- honey, they act like old women .. prior to the liberal uprising, we used to call all "grannies" as "blue hairs" because it was common for women of a certain age to get a "Set" and dye it "blue" ...

but wow, it's been a long time since i was drunk enough to understand your post .... try harder, do better, to rely a coherent thought

in texas, several posters are posting as blue hair pearl clutchers - you wouldn't understand, it's when freemen accept their elders --

so, begone, subject, this is a conversation of freemen...
i DARE you, post a meme denouncing your invasion
and, in your equal country, say some stuff regarding grooming ... i'll wait

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by wymple:
His #1 crime is that he has made blatant lying the norm.

so, tell us you are new to politics without......

I guess lying is contagious at the WH. Whenever he feels like working he lies down until the feeling goes away.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kar...-eyes-040155856.html

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:
the most hilarious jeffe is that you put me on your ignored list and even if you are deflecting about canadians being subject and you being a free man lol honestly let s continue that way and having the world celebrating and mocking you ... how long do you think it will take for your country to recover ... while we are finding new markets ... lng is flowing to asia from canada ...

on homophobia you have done you share here in calling people by feminim name ... something maybe you did not accept that happened in your family ... you do know that the people that do not care about what is happening in the house is business of people not yours for a freeman you are not that good lol

subject, my ignore list is mine -

when actually PEACEFUL protest by truckers happened in your dominion, they freezed those accounts, based on insurrection -- nothing past this point is relevant -- YAY, canuckistan has lng .. pay for all you want
calling maggie, grandma ken, and occasionally wymple feminine name -- honey, they act like old women .. prior to the liberal uprising, we used to call all "grannies" as "blue hairs" because it was common for women of a certain age to get a "Set" and dye it "blue" ...

but wow, it's been a long time since i was drunk enough to understand your post .... try harder, do better, to rely a coherent thought

in texas, several posters are posting as blue hair pearl clutchers - you wouldn't understand, it's when freemen accept their elders --

so, begone, subject, this is a conversation of freemen...
i DARE you, post a meme denouncing your invasion
and, in your equal country, say some stuff regarding grooming ... i'll wait

1812 our troops burnt down your whitehouse such a deal for freemen ...

His mouth and his arse

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Originally posted by Saeed:
His mouth and his arse

again a good laugh. thank youé

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


yeah, my dad's been dead for almost 10 years . you have an ash fetish?

tissue?

Now you have the orange turd that you call Daddy, how cute Princess.

Tissues belong with trash, best kept with you Smegma Lips.

His biggest moments of glory

Being Putin’s puppet
And NitanHitler’s bitch!

So, this thread has devolved, as usual, into a pissing match with jeffee as the pivot man, as he likes it.

If yaw'll can focus, maybe the correct question is, name two things good for the country that Trump has done in his second term?

I'm not asking for a subjective opinion. Instead, let's play jeffee's consequentialism game. Let's define "good for the country" based on objective outcome, regardless of the means. Also, the beginning cutoff is since he took office.