He has really amped up the lying rhetoric the past few days. Everything from claiming that Harris has an illegal immigration app on her phone to stating that there are 13,099 convicted illegal alien murderers on the loose.

I'm surprised we haven't seen these lies repeated here. Maybe it's a bridge too far even for the cult members?

Mike -

I'll admit it, I was tempted to challenge your post. But, all the reasons and knowing what the vicious responses from the left would be, I thought better of it.

Is that really the result you regulars want? No dialogue?

I frequently post on a Motorsports/Boating site called www.riverdavesplace.com. The P&G forum over there had exactly the opposite thing happen.

The owner banned all the progressives because he found out there was a conspiracy to crash his site.

Now, that forum is dull because all the opposing opinions are gone and its like this sub-forum, a single party echo-chamber.

~Regards.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
He has really amped up the lying rhetoric the past few days. Everything from claiming that Harris has an illegal immigration app on her phone to stating that there are 13,099 convicted illegal alien murderers on the loose.

I'm surprised we haven't seen these lies repeated here. Maybe it's a bridge too far even for the cult members?

Yeah Mike. Those two are NOT lies.. dhs provided data to congress.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Mike -

I'll admit it, I was tempted to challenge your post. But, all the reasons and knowing what the vicious responses from the left would be, I thought better of it.

Is that really the result you regulars want? No dialogue?

I frequently post on a Motorsports/Boating site called www.riverdavesplace.com. The P&G forum over there had exactly the opposite thing happen.

The owner banned all the progressives because he found out there was a conspiracy to crash his site.

Now, that forum is dull because all the opposing opinions are gone and its like this sub-forum, a single party echo-chamber.

~Regards.

Challenge what? Both statements are lies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ant-murderers-loose/

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/29...-homicide/index.html

https://x.com/AccountableGOP/s.../1841212255213416585

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Mike -

I'll admit it, I was tempted to challenge your post. But, all the reasons and knowing what the vicious responses from the left would be, I thought better of it.

Is that really the result you regulars want? No dialogue?

I frequently post on a Motorsports/Boating site called www.riverdavesplace.com. The P&G forum over there had exactly the opposite thing happen.

The owner banned all the progressives because he found out there was a conspiracy to crash his site.

Now, that forum is dull because all the opposing opinions are gone and its like this sub-forum, a single party echo-chamber.

~Regards.

Its hardly and echo chamber, there are several contributors who are pro trump, several more who are republicans but who cannot stomach Trump, a smattering of foreigners and several D's.

The latter may outnumber the former but it's not always been that way. There have been times when it was the other way around ... people come and go.

Saeed allows people to say more or less what they want. No one is stopping anyone from voicing an opinion. That is, after all, what is posted here.

Except you are wrong, mike. Man up and own it

https://www.cbp.gov/about/mobi...pps-directory/cbpone

Illegal alien app.. from Cbp

Over 15k illegals are murders
https://nypost.com/2024/09/27/...arris-visits-border/

Look, trump is bad enough, you don't have to make stuff up


But you, and libbies, should cool off the hyperbole. He's already been President, we have a track record.

Try touting your side candidate.. oh, you might not want to work with her track record... JOY, she said.

quote:

Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Mike -

I'll admit it, I was tempted to challenge your post. But, all the reasons and knowing what the vicious responses from the left would be, I thought better of it.

Is that really the result you regulars want? No dialogue?

I frequently post on a Motorsports/Boating site called www.riverdavesplace.com. The P&G forum over there had exactly the opposite thing happen.

The owner banned all the progressives because he found out there was a conspiracy to crash his site.

Now, that forum is dull because all the opposing opinions are gone and its like this sub-forum, a single party echo-chamber.

~Regards.

Its hardly and echo chamber, there are several contributors who are pro trump, several more who are republicans but who cannot stomach Trump, a smattering of foreigners and several D's.

The latter may outnumber the former but it's not always been that way. There have been times when it was the other way around ... people come and go.

Saeed allows people to say more or less what they want. No one is stopping anyone from voicing an opinion. That is, after all, what is posted here.

I’m one of those Republicans who can’t stomach his lies, philandering,seditious behavior. I will vote Republican down ticket and will not vote for either presidential candidate….

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Except you are wrong, mike. Man up and own it

https://www.cbp.gov/about/mobi...pps-directory/cbpone

Illegal alien app.. from Cbp

Over 15k illegals are murders
https://nypost.com/2024/09/27/...arris-visits-border/

Look, trump is bad enough, you don't have to make stuff up


But you, and libbies, should cool off the hyperbole. He's already been President, we have a track record.

Try touting your side candidate.. oh, you might not want to work with her track record... JOY, she said.

I'm aware of the existence of the app, buddy. trump's claims that Harris has it on her phone and approves migrant entries is bullshit.

Also well aware of the number of murderers. trump said they are running free. Not true. All of them are locked up.

But, man do I agree that we have a track record with trump. He's a lying, narcissistic seditionist. He tried to overturn a presidential election through fraud and artifice. He'll try again in about a month. The idea that you or anybody would vote for this clown is a mystery I will never understand.

app exists
you are incorrect that all of them are locked up -- own it, man, and retract your statements

trump has done enough sketchy stuff, there's no reason to make stuff up ..

well, unless you are supporting that quemala is somehow "better"

like i said, can't vote for quemala, won't vote for trump ... i think that voting for quemala c you don't like trump is infantile - vote 3rd party ..

yeah, i do think quemala is the actual "antichrist" .. anyone who can't vote for trump, even though the GOP is their party, that votes for quemala needs a 72 hour psych hold starting on 11/4/24

fifi it could start today, with ME and symple joining soon after, for 90 days.. those boys have issues

https://youtu.be/j7XETqS9iBM?si=SHgPhDr2CgRvUqOV

Dangerous

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
app exists
you are incorrect that all of them are locked up -- own it, man, and retract your statements

trump has done enough sketchy stuff, there's no reason to make stuff up ..

well, unless you are supporting that quemala is somehow "better"

like i said, can't vote for quemala, won't vote for trump ... i think that voting for quemala c you don't like trump is infantile - vote 3rd party ..

yeah, i do think quemala is the actual "antichrist" .. anyone who can't vote for trump, even though the GOP is their party, that votes for quemala needs a 72 hour psych hold starting on 11/4/24

fifi it could start today, with ME and symple joining soon after, for 90 days.. those boys have issues

It's bullshit. For somebody that claims he doesn't support trump and will not be voting for him, you sure spend a lot of time defending him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ant-murderers-loose/

Trump has a shining new talking point — an outrageously false claim that was ginned up by right-wing media and then embraced by the GOP nominee as an “official” fact.

Trump then embellishes the “fact” with additional falsehoods. Notice how he said he’d seen a list and some on it had murdered 10 people? There is no such list detailing the killings committed by the 13,099 people. That’s just a figment of his imagination.

Here’s the truth: Most of these killers are in detention, not prowling the streets, and have been since before Trump was president. It’s false to claim they entered during the Biden-Harris administration.

And for some who infers they are voting for Harris, you don't spend much time prompting her.

You aren't voting for him, and have posted numerous facts around it. In this case, you are incorrect and it reflects on HARRIS that this data points to terrible practices.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
And for some who infers they are voting for Harris, you don't spend much time prompting her.

You aren't voting for him, and have posted numerous facts around it. In this case, you are incorrect and it reflects on HARRIS that this data points to terrible practices.

Given the two candidates, I don't need any other reason to vote for Harris other than the fact that she isn't a seditionist. She will respect the outcome of the election, no matter which way it goes.

trump is already saying that if he loses, it will be because of fraud. He is a liar, a seditionist and a shit-bird. Anybody that votes for him is a traitor to our country and democracy in general.

Just to get one in,

MM as the speaker implies.

You are the one inferring as the listener.

Now, MM has expressly stated.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
And for some who infers they are voting for Harris, you don't spend much time prompting her.

You aren't voting for him, and have posted numerous facts around it. In this case, you are incorrect and it reflects on HARRIS that this data points to terrible practices.

Given the two candidates, I don't need any other reason to vote for Harris other than the fact that she isn't a seditionist. She will respect the outcome of the election, no matter which way it goes.

trump is already saying that if he loses, it will be because of fraud. He is a liar, a seditionist and a sh!t-bird. Anybody that votes for him is a traitor to our country and democracy in general.

Mike
You are an honest Democrat.. I can respect that.. there's quite a few more to vote for than just these two. I won't be voted for either

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
And for some who infers they are voting for Harris, you don't spend much time prompting her.

You aren't voting for him, and have posted numerous facts around it. In this case, you are incorrect and it reflects on HARRIS that this data points to terrible practices.

Given the two candidates, I don't need any other reason to vote for Harris other than the fact that she isn't a seditionist. She will respect the outcome of the election, no matter which way it goes.

trump is already saying that if he loses, it will be because of fraud. He is a liar, a seditionist and a sh!t-bird. Anybody that votes for him is a traitor to our country and democracy in general.

Mike
You are an honest Democrat.. I can respect that.. there's quite a few more to vote for than just these two. I won't be voted for either

Understood and obviously, I respect you voting for anybody besides trump. I just can't understand voting for somebody that has zero chance of winning. I know that a lot of folks do but I will never be able to understand it. I can understand not casting a vote for Harris.

I just hope Harris wins and we can put trump in the rear-view mirror. the country will be better off when he is gone and forgotten. He is a cancer and a poison. YMMV

quote:

You are an honest Democrat.. I can respect that.. there's quite a few more to vote for than just these two. I won't be voted for either

Here's another honest democrat. Can you respect him?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4e71ba58e10e5&ei=149

Michael Moore: Only ‘landslide’ loss will guarantee Trump’s ‘permanent removal from the public eye’
Story by Judy Kurtz • 18h • 2 min read

“We should settle for nothing less.”

“Trump is toast,” Moore wrote.

“If everyone does their part in the next few weeks, Trump is going down in flames.”

But he also suggested that Harris supporters exercise caution.

“We do know that Trump has a stellar streak of pulling off the impossible — and those who have written him off have more than once lived to see the day where they must eat humble pie. It is never wise to do a victory dance on the two-yard line when Trump is your opponent,” the Academy Award winner wrote.

Moore also warned that Harris’s campaign could falter in its final weeks before Election Day if the vice president “is advised by her wealthy donors to shun the left and drop her more progressive positions in favor of a ‘move to the center.'”

“This, too, could reduce or depress the vote for Harris, especially among the base. I know many of you don’t want to hear that, but I’m just trying to warn you that the actions of party hacks and pundits have consequences,” Moore said.

“If there ever was an election where the totally unexpected and crazy could happen, this is already that election,” the 70-year-old filmmaker and activist said.

“Assume nothing. Take zero for granted. Work to prevent the worst results and prepare to make a possible Trump presidency a complete failure by spending these next weeks helping to elect Democrats to the House and Senate, thus creating a Blue Wall that will guarantee Trump will not be able to do anything for the next four years,” he said.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

trump is already saying that if he loses, it will be because of fraud. He is a liar, a seditionist and a shit-bird. Anybody that votes for him is a traitor to our country and democracy in general.

Maybe Trump already has his own frauds in place and figures that the only way he can lose is to a greater fraud.

I don't see the supporters of positive voter ID lobbying for new voter registration cards for minorities. How come?

Trump is getting desperate because he knows this is what a judge will be saying to him someday if he loses the election:

This is pathetic

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...eqs?ocid=socialshare

Another Trump supporter, caught up in election lies, is sent to prison

Tina Peters, former County Clerk of Mesa County, Colorado, was so convinced of Donald Trump's lies about his 2020 election loss that she tried to prove that voting machines had been used to rig the election, and in so doing committed crimes that have earned her a nine-year prison sentence. Donald Trump remains free. former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance discusses with Alex Wagner.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a5f44e4ff2779c&ei=61

Colorado looking into threats on judge after Tina Peters sentenced in election case
Story by Filip Timotija • 2h • 2 min read

Think of all the people who got inside Trump's orbit and got burned, jailed, careers ruined.

Really, there's been nothing like it before.

One would think these people should have known better. What's wrong with these people?

https://youtu.be/tmohJotnhDo?si=1UQBLXUKyTQv-P6z

Daughter of Rudy Giuliani describes ‘watching her dads life crumble’ because of Donald Trump

https://youtu.be/eEtu08b8ITs?si=Y4MvMmSOUL0W6DTs

Giuliani’s daughter endorses Harris, slams Trump

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The point is that the Nation will suffer the same fate if he's elected. There has been enough already.

Think about this scenario:

Trump gets elected, then what?

First, he pardons a bunch of people. He gets off the hook for prosecutions and sentencing. Meanwhile his party turns further against him, mostly because he insane.

He's going to have to be nice to Vance.

https://youtu.be/k2TZx5WbOj4?si=6D9aahZ1sTOumlFL

Brutus

He's towing the line for now, but we know.

https://youtu.be/SxWB8ffGZDE?si=tdlpRCT2on-nUUtj

Damning

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a4b9f91aaf7925&ei=14

Trump, Vance and the 25th Amendment

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...C9C?ocid=socialshare

JD Vance responds to past comments likening Trump to Hitler, criticism of past policies

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Mike -

I'll admit it, I was tempted to challenge your post. But, all the reasons and knowing what the vicious responses from the left would be, I thought better of it.

Is that really the result you regulars want? No dialogue?

I frequently post on a Motorsports/Boating site called www.riverdavesplace.com. The P&G forum over there had exactly the opposite thing happen.

The owner banned all the progressives because he found out there was a conspiracy to crash his site.

Now, that forum is dull because all the opposing opinions are gone and its like this sub-forum, a single party echo-chamber.

~Regards.

There is no single party support here.

Both parties zombies are free to tell their version of the silly reality they live!

Well, dialogue this:

https://youtu.be/WfgroaBZAJQ?si=cD3nh-fb5-FGrLCq

Colorado County Clerks Association responds to Tina Peters' sentence

Thank you, Tina Peters, for being too stupid and arrogant to even pretend you are sorry. Now your dumb ass can serve as a warning to the next one.

It's an odd thing, IMO.

She, Tina, didn't get that way in a short period of time. And she especially didn't just flip to the dark side because of Trump's lies and character.

Her morals devolved long term. Of course, there's no one to blame but herself. She was of weak character, perhaps bolstered by religious belief. We can only speculate how and when it happened to her, but it did happen for sure.

Her distinctions of right and wrong were fucked up despite her being a Christian. There is the question, of course, was it because she was a Christian?

She is just an example. The rise of Trumpism has shown us the scale of it. It's been a long time brewing.

To some degree, maybe more or less, ALL MAGAites demonstrate the same weakness of character and morals that got Tina convicted. Of course most of them don't violate the law, but probably that's because most aren't in a position of authority like Tina was or not part of a militia group, or just don't have the opportunity or balls to overtly violate the rule of law.

There were many accomplices in the seditious conspiracy culminating on 1/6/21 - that's objectively, technically and legally.

None have remorse. They WILL do it again.

Now that leads to the premise that ALL election deniers, ALL Trump supporters nowadays, are no less guilty of being explicit accomplices in crimes against the Nation.

That's a tall accusation, but I think it's true.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ca09acd815b6ed&ei=72

Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson refuses to say Trump lost 2020 election
Story by Kanishka Singh • 57m • 2 min read

Of course we all took note that during the debate, before and after, JD Vance also refused to acknowledge Biden won the election.

Another thing that might logically be surmised from the evidence is that the nation, our fellow Americans, about 50%, are as susceptible to Trump(ism) as Tina Peters was/is.

IOW, it's not the power of Trump, but the weakness of the many, that is the root cause of the rise of Trumpism.

And those same people can't possibly understand why the nation is divided.