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Utah: We’re no longer asking Supreme Court to ‘dispose’ of public BLM land
Story by WyoFile • 2d • 6 min read

I commented on it before the election. The idea of selling off public lands disgusts me. I spend lots of time hunting public grounds, all day yesterday for example, and the hunting was very good. Our public land should be protected and cherished, not sold of to the highest bidder for development and exploitation.

If they want to live in a privately owned state, they should move to Tejas, and pay retail for what they want.

Much of our public land has been managed for the benefit of corporations for decades; we spend more to build roads for loggers to cut our trees than they pay us for the trees and let folks who don't own "ranches" to effectively operate like they do on our land for a fraction of what private grazing is worth on the market, oil companies can tie up drilling leases for decades and use them as collateral without producing a drop of oil, but you'll never find a board or a steak labeled with a discount because it came from our land.

Land developers are feeling left out and will no doubt be able to buy choice parcels cheap from the Republicans.

Yeah. The cost of hunting in Texas is ridiculous.

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
Yeah. The cost of hunting in Texas is ridiculous.

No more than the market will bear.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Much of our public land has been managed for the benefit of corporations for decades; we spend more to build roads for loggers to cut our trees than they pay us for the trees and let folks who don't own "ranches" to effectively operate like they do on our land for a fraction of what private grazing is worth on the market, oil companies can tie up drilling leases for decades and use them as collateral without producing a drop of oil, but you'll never find a board or a steak labeled with a discount because it came from our land.

Land developers are feeling left out and will no doubt be able to buy choice parcels cheap from the Republicans.

Jeff, if you lived in the West you'd understand when I say you want those logging roads and loggers in there, you want those miners and other natural resources extractors in there. Livestock grazing is a real good thing. That doesn't mean um managed or in regulated, and that doesn't mean historically it's been perfect, but the catastrophic fires that have been burning the West are an easy example of why our nation can't all be National Park and wilderness preserve.

Land owners in the West are now paying to have their land livestock grazed instead of being paid by the grazers.

West will always burn for reason of simple explanation…too many years of fire suppression and ultimately it always burned …for millions of years
Livestock grazing is bullshit on NF and BLM as it screws up all the riparian areas and gets overgrazed and thus messes up wild life management
Sorry Scott, you missed that one by miles and I can see, you don’t live around areqs grazed by livestock

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
West will always burn for reason of simple explanation…too many years of fire suppression and ultimately it always burned …for millions of years
Livestock grazing is bullshit on NF and BLM as it screws up all the riparian areas and gets overgrazed and thus messes up wild life management
Sorry Scott, you missed that one by miles and I can see, you don’t live around areqs grazed by livestock

I guess you don't understand the concept of "management".
Again, it's not being suggested that historically it has been perfect, there is always room for improvement.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
Yeah. The cost of hunting in Texas is ridiculous.

No more than the market will bear.

Not everyone hunts under the Texas model, some of us get out there and hunt public land, paying sweat equity instead of big dollars. No reason that these opportunities should be taken away from American citizens to benefit corporations.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LongDistanceOperator:
Yeah. The cost of hunting in Texas is ridiculous.

No more than the market will bear.

Fortunately there are alternatives in states with more BLM land.
I'll go there instead. Leave Tejas for Tejanos, who chose it.

there's plenty of state land to hunt on here -- and easy to get to, i hunted TG week on state land, but ,Tom, i love your advice -- leave Tejas to the Tejanos

I've been blessed to own land for half of my adult life and worked very hard for it so I can hunt, etc. That said, I do enjoy it quite a lot when I can get away and hunt elsewhere, including BLM and other govt land. My mind, however, says the govt shouldn't really own land but again, I know with private property there are far more restrictions and 'rules'. None of which I really like, hence the desire to own land and be my own 'royalty'. Fed lands (which we all pay taxes for) are expensive for 'out of staters' to hunt on which isn't cool to me (license fees). It's a big reason I have never hunted elk or mule deer. This keeps it pretty near private property if you don't live in those states unless you are wealthy.

I will be breaking out my old muzzleloader in a few days to try and put a whitetail in the freezer. Looking for a big fawn or doe here on my little patch of beautiful land.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
there's plenty of state land to hunt on here -- and easy to get to, i hunted TG week on state land, but ,Tom, i love your advice -- leave Tejas to the Tejanos

I had my fill of state land in North Carolina, places that were open on the regulations and were posted by a club when I got there at 4 AM.
They took the state's money and posted the land anyway.
I'll have BLM land, thanks, although I've seen oil companies close public roads with a guard shack...

Wtf does America look like with half a billion people in it? That’s where we’re headed. Of course public land will dwindle. Wait till Amazon buys Yosemite.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Wait till Amazon buys Yosemite.

If Mike Lee and rest of the GOP get their way, it just might happen. I can see you have begun to rationalize the transfer of our public lands already.

Sad.....in so, so many ways.

When you say public land grab, is it a wholesale selling? or is it a concession to0 operate a business of some sort on public land, while still not precluding access too the general public?