Leave it to you reach that^^^conclusion.

Dr. Redfield is one of the leaders in the field of treating AIDS. He is recognized often for his role in treatment of this disease. He is now an HIV/AIDS specialist at the University of Maryland School of Medicine. He has been praised by his supporters for his care of patients. He oversees the clinical program that treats patients in the Baltimore-Washington area.

I know what you claim Kabob.
But your endless cut and pastes do not include the whole story, only one side.
No-one really knows why the virologists changed their mind after the fauci call ( he cant remember) and the others are not talking. But it is well worth putting the fact out there that it happened.

From the actual science I have read…the “natural” jump from all known wild-type coronavirus RNA sequences to that of SARS CoV-2…looks highly improbable.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I know what you claim Kabob.
But your endless cut and pastes do not include the whole story, only one side.
No-one really knows why the virologists changed their mind after the fauci call ( he cant remember) and the others are not talking. But it is well worth putting the fact out there that it happened.

"endless cut and pastes" are everything about credibility to me. I don't make this shit up. And it's definitely not just one side.

Just as endless bloviating and narratives and spew opinions are everything to you. You provided no sources, no corroborating as though your opinions are entirely sufficient. They are--only to you.

I can see why you resent cut and paste.

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Fauci answered the "fact out there that 'it' happened" to the best he could and knew. He apparently didn't lie about "it", or cover up.

He said he didn't get to vote on Redfield's exclusion.

Yet the power of conspiracy theory over-rides, and can never be quashed or satisfied.

Maybe Redfield is sooooo ethical and knowledgeable and open-minded but miffed that he didn't get to tap the $$ pot for grants like the others who changed their minds.

Of course, the changed minds had nothing to do with persuasion with facts and evidence.

ME,
The FBI is now on public record of saying the lab leak theory is what they believe evidence shows.

Fauci still pushing the natural jump as most likely.

Which of the two^^^do you believe?

I don’t believe the FBI is beyond reproach…but I do believe in this instance that they would not make a statement unless they were pretty sure of the science and evidence. They have access to ALL data.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
From the actual science I have read…the “natural” jump from all known wild-type coronavirus RNA sequences to that of SARS CoV-2…looks highly improbable.

Then why do I see and read so many articles re avian and swine flu jumping, for examples?

I am not knowledgeable enough to know BS science from the real deal on all this. So, I look primarily at credibility of source, especially root source.

If it even looks a little like a conspiracy theory, or support thereof (like Fauci hate) it goes in the trash.

If it is something promoted by folks (tainted sources all the way to the roots) like Jordon or Rand, if it can't be corroborated, then it's BS.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
The FBI is now on public record of saying the lab leak theory is what they believe evidence shows.

I missed that. I was going to ask you for a source, but

Here's google:

https://www.google.com/search?...ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz


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Obviously, there's a lot of reading there. I read the headlines of a few, but I chose this one as representative:

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/o...2a-986b-d8dd9af2b6d2

FRIDAY, MARCH 3, 2023

The FBI Thinks Covid Leaked From a Chinese Lab
Two federal agencies, the Energy Department and the FBI, reignite the debate over whether the Covid-19 pandemic began naturally or whether the virus escaped from a Wuhan lab. The White House says there's no consensus in the intelligence community, but why was the lab-leak theory dismissed for so long, and are we any closer to finding the truth?

I posted it with source already.

See below or me be quoted in another post.


Mike Mitchell
one of us
posted 02 March 2023 03:39 Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by LHeym500:
Head of the FBI says likely Lab Leak.

Good enough for me.

https://www.reuters.com/busine...pandemic-2023-03-01/


I'm guessing the DOE report was based on the FBI investigation? Again, I don't know and don't profess to be qualified, unlike other folks here, to say one way or the other. All I know is that the scientists and virologists who spend their lives studying this kind of thing seem to be close to unanimity that the origin was animal-based. If the FBI has contrary info, they ought to release the info.

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I said in that Thread, The White House has taken the position no consensus has been reached. I do not believe nor find Dr. Fauci creditable in the issue of origin.

Others can. I am in the camp he should be forced out do to squashing debate and exclusion of CDC head as testified too. Still have seen nothing to rebuke his testimony, and misleading the Senate on lab funding.

In conclusion, Dr. Fauci with me is done.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
From the actual science I have read…the “natural” jump from all known wild-type coronavirus RNA sequences to that of SARS CoV-2…looks highly improbable.

Then why do I see and read so many articles re avian and swine flu jumping, for examples?

I am not knowledgeable enough to know BS science from the real deal on all this. So, I look primarily at credibility of source, especially root source.

If it even looks a little like a conspiracy theory, or support thereof (like Fauci hate) it goes in the trash.

If it is something promoted by folks (tainted sources all the way to the roots) like Jordon or Rand, if it can't be corroborated, then it's BS.

1) Those viruses don’t have to adapt to infect humans. They are contagious to humans as they are. They do periodically mutate to make them more contagious from time to time. Those viruses have been infecting humans for eternity. They are an accepted portion of the Human Influenza Syndrome Complex.

2) A natural host for SARS CoV-2 has not been found.

3) the specific RNA sequence segment in SARS CoV-2 I previously posted is not known to exist in nature and is difficult to arrive at how it would occur in nature.

FBI director says origin of COVID-19 pandemic ‘most likely’ a lab ‘incident’ in Wuhan

Here you go ME^^^

Lane, do you think this is right?

‘Prosecute Me For WHAT?!’ Anthony Fauci Erupts Over ‘Insanity’ of ‘Irresponsible’ Calls for His Arrest
Story by Caleb Howe • 29m ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...66f4ecad6df48e&ei=14


Dr. Anthony Fauci erupted on CNN Saturday when anchor Jim Acosta brought up the subject of the “far right” and “others in the GOP” talking about arresting or prosecuting the former NIAID director for his handling of the covid pandemic under presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

“What’s your response to that?” Acosta asked.

“Well, I mean, there’s no response to that craziness, Jim,” said Fauci. “I mean, prosecute me for what? What what are they talking about? I mean, I wish I could figure out what the heck they were talking about.”

“I think they’re just going off the deep end. That’s the answer to your first question,” he said. “It doesn’t make any sense to say something like that, and it actually is irresponsible.”

Fauci said that the rhetoric has a “deleterious” effect on his family, and results in death threats.

Does anyone have access or a link to the full US Military Report on the AIDS issue at heart of the left of me critique?

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Lane, do you think this is right?

‘Prosecute Me For WHAT?!’ Anthony Fauci Erupts Over ‘Insanity’ of ‘Irresponsible’ Calls for His Arrest
Story by Caleb Howe • 29m ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...66f4ecad6df48e&ei=14


Dr. Anthony Fauci erupted on CNN Saturday when anchor Jim Acosta brought up the subject of the “far right” and “others in the GOP” talking about arresting or prosecuting the former NIAID director for his handling of the covid pandemic under presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

“What’s your response to that?” Acosta asked.

“Well, I mean, there’s no response to that craziness, Jim,” said Fauci. “I mean, prosecute me for what? What what are they talking about? I mean, I wish I could figure out what the heck they were talking about.”

“I think they’re just going off the deep end. That’s the answer to your first question,” he said. “It doesn’t make any sense to say something like that, and it actually is irresponsible.”

Fauci said that the rhetoric has a “deleterious” effect on his family, and results in death threats.

Anthony 'beagle torturer' Fauci deserves all that comes his way. He funded with our tax dollars, lied repeatedly and caused the deaths of millions world wide. He is up to his eyeballs in deep shit.

I bet this wasn't the first pandemic he developed, funded and spread. What a complete egomaniac.

I am if the opinion Dr. Fauci was not truthful to the Senate under oath.

If he is not a prosecutable case, the AG needs to explain why. I will listen.

ME,
No one should have to endure persecution and threats.

But, I do hope he is investigated by Congress and the FBI.

And, I hope the CIA & FBI biological units get to the bottom of the origin.

And here's another example of the hate generated by conspiracy theory, etc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...14b4dfdccdd362&ei=38

‘I Think About It Everywhere I Go!’ Whitmer Tells Chris Wallace She Still Feels Unsafe After Trump ‘Made Me A Target’
Story by Tommy Christopher • Yesterday 3:27 PM

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
ME,
No one should have to endure persecution and threats.

But, I do hope he is investigated by Congress and the FBI.

And, I hope the CIA & FBI biological units get to the bottom of the origin.

Those making threats and persecution ought to be charged with crime and prosecuted, including DJT.

The origins are/were being investigated pursuant to WH directive, presumably by all resources available including the CIA and FBI.

Jordon's "investigation" is a farce.

I would like to know for sure the origins of Covid.

I am rather disturbed by all the hate generated in relation to Covid. IMO, the hate is causing the presumption of lies. The hate is partially caused by the presumption that conspiracy theories are real. There are other reasons for the hate.

The thing is that when the ponderance of evidence suggests the truth, the power of conspiracy theory and hate will still do their thing. It happened with the Durham Dud investigate the investigators. He was not able to prove the conspiracy theory as tasked and paid for with taxpayer dollars. Barr was sufficiently discredited for corrupting the Muller report. ETC.

IMO, all these traits are within the character of Fascist Fodder.

Here's another example of threats:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...14b4dfdccdd362&ei=51

Trump may face an anonymous jury in defamation suit
Story by Mary Papenfuss • Yesterday 3:23 PM

Kaplan didn't explain why he might opt for an anonymous jury. But jurors could be targets of threats in the politically charged case.

Anonymous juries have been used in the past to protect jurors' safety in cases involving organized crimes and terrorists.