quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
No one who reads your posts doubts that you create your own reality Lane, that much is crystal clear.

I do live in reality Steve. And I negotiate it well enough to haves started at the bottom and achieved the summit in multiple aspects of life.

Thankfully you have failed to achieve your goal of turning the States into a theocracy.

I'll keep fighting you on that one Lane.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while Saeed. You are spot on this time.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

There is very little difference between a poor and rural white child living in poverty, and a poor urban African American child living in poverty.

America belongs to all. America is not so small as to only provide life, liberty, justice, and freedom to those who agree with Dr. Easter.

Our constitutional system allows for more. If you are compelled to be a cowboy, be a cowboy. If you are compelled to be a gay person, be a gay person. If you are compelled to be a gay cowboy, best of both worlds for that person.

The public sphere can and must accommodate.

If you want to preach in your little club gay people are abominations or an anti gay parade not paid for w public dollars. Knock yourself out. No, our civil and criminal laws can not be permitted to allow that tyranny of religious stupidity to return.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

I work in politics quite a lot Steve with the DFW office of the GOP and the OK GOP. At least in Texas and Oklahoma…what I stated is 100% fact. It is driven home in every set of survey data I have reviewed. If you don’t see it…either, you don’t look, it is different in CO, or you are tone def.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is very little difference between a poor and rural white child living in poverty, and a poor urban African American child living in poverty.

America belongs to all. America is not so small as to only provide life, liberty, justice, and freedom to those who agree with Dr. Easter.

Our constitutional system allows for more. If you are compelled to be a cowboy, be a cowboy. If you are compelled to be a gay person, be a gay person. If you are compelled to be a gay cowboy, best of both worlds for that person.

The public sphere can and must accommodate.

If you want to preach in your little club gay people are abominations or an anti gay parade not paid for w public dollars. Knock yourself out. No, our civil and criminal laws can not be permitted to allow that tyranny of religious stupidity to return.

Don’t know why you always feel compelled to stalk me and to post the above in this thread. I said nothing to contrary of any of the above.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

I work in politics quite a lot Steve with the DFW office of the GOP and the OK GOP. At least in Texas and Oklahoma…what I stated is 100% fact. It is driven home in every set of survey data I have reviewed. If you don’t see it…either, you don’t look, it is different in CO, or you are tone def.

The GOP only has one message, the sky is falling, it's all the Liberals fault and only Trump can save us.

I don't roll that way. I seek solutions to problems, compromise and do not see those with opposing political views as my enemy, nor do I view civil war as inevitable like Musk does.

Don't you tire of viewing the world through such a negative lens?

Here is a perfect example!

How the hell can this happen???

We lived in many different locations.

First thing we always do is meet the neighbors, and make sure we are on very good terms!

We are having our neighbors over for dinner tonight!

We are in Switzerland up in the mountains!

Neighbors stay with us when they visit Dubai!

From different countries!!

We have an old saying in Arabic.

One can never do enough for family or friends!!

Lane, you have your stalker, I have mine

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Balh curse words blah blah

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
X - the platform of choice for those who wish to spread misinformation, falsehoods and lies. Of course there are folks who tell the truth but you need to look pretty hard to find them amongst the lies.

Isn’t that the way of life Nute…learning to sort the wheat from the chaff?

Learn to sort it correctly — you succeed. Incorrectly — you are dragged down. My Dad had a saying growing up: “you can hear anything you’ll listen to.”

With MSM…”someone” chooses what to feed you. On X…you choose what you digest.

I will take the latter. Many many good journalists post on X…in fact…they ALL do. Yes, there is falsehood on there as well…chaff.

I will take my chances with free speech. I see your country is leaning into censorship.

It depends which news source you read. There is a lot more chaff on X than Reuters. Equally there are a lot more people who ignore the real news and just consume what reinforces their existing opinions, and opinions, often dressed up as facts, are exactly what you get a lot of on X.

Im not interested in opinions, just publish the facts and I will make up my own mind.

We have recently suffered a bout of riots / civil disorder after posts on social media designed to inflame the right wing knuckle draggers we have on the fringe here did just what they were put there to do. Hence people chucking bricks at targets with had nothing whatsoever to do with the spark which set it off. All because they read the bits of X put their by people who want to maniplulate others and the "others" just use it to validate their existing opinions.

I like your pops saying!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Lane, you have your stalker, I have mine

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Balh curse words blah blah

I think you may have been drinking too much sugar lately princess. You sure seem to be angry since you went full Trumptard.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

I work in politics quite a lot Steve with the DFW office of the GOP and the OK GOP. At least in Texas and Oklahoma…what I stated is 100% fact. It is driven home in every set of survey data I have reviewed. If you don’t see it…either, you don’t look, it is different in CO, or you are tone def.

The GOP only has one message, the sky is falling, it's all the Liberals fault and only Trump can save us.

I don't roll that way. I seek solutions to problems, compromise and do not see those with opposing political views as my enemy, nor do I view civil war as inevitable like Musk does.

Don't you tire of viewing the world through such a negative lens?

All I said was that there is a divide in our country getting wider each day and unlikely to come back together. That division is philosophical in nature and reflects the difference in vision between the Urban Progressives and the rural/small-town Traditionalists.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Lane, you have your stalker, I have mine

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Balh curse words blah blah

More blah blah .

See?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

I'm seeking help for my problems, I joined a cult.

I do indeed see Jeffe, hard to miss really

re media and accurate reporting.
I did take note of this and maybe how CNN is recognised, even by liberal audiences.

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1823368102366593368

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Blah blah i have to make up stuff blah blah

No, Steve, I already told you I don't need a fan club and you can't be president. And NO, no I won't send you feet pics. Ick

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Hard to argue with that.
News on "X" is just like news on every other platform. Some of it is bullshit, some is factual, most is skewed in one way or another. As long as free speech is allowed though, it's a good thing. It is up to us, as the consumers, to decide what is real and what is self-serving BS. Bill

Lane

Your reductionist view is laughable.

The issue is more than philosophical. It is based on ethics, values, legal principles and even the fundamental foundations of a civil society.

The divide in US society and even global society is nothing new. It has been around for a very long time.

It is between
* Freedom & totalitarian oppression
* Middle class / poor & Rich
* Community interests and Selfish individualism
* Truth and fake propaganda

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

As I have said many times in the last 10 years, the US is currently around 50% non white population and by 2032 elections the voters will be majority non white.

Freedom and equal rights will be barnstorming all institutions and foundations of civil society.

There will be problems, conflict, greed for power, corruption by the rich and the usual stuff. But "rural traditionalism" will be extinct. Am foot note in history.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

I work in politics quite a lot Steve with the DFW office of the GOP and the OK GOP. At least in Texas and Oklahoma…what I stated is 100% fact. It is driven home in every set of survey data I have reviewed. If you don’t see it…either, you don’t look, it is different in CO, or you are tone def.

The GOP only has one message, the sky is falling, it's all the Liberals fault and only Trump can save us.

I don't roll that way. I seek solutions to problems, compromise and do not see those with opposing political views as my enemy, nor do I view civil war as inevitable like Musk does.

Don't you tire of viewing the world through such a negative lens?

All I said was that there is a divide in our country getting wider each day and unlikely to come back together. That division is philosophical in nature and reflects the difference in vision between the Urban Progressives and the rural/small-town Traditionalists.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

As I have said many times in the last 10 years, the US is currently around 50% non white population

What is it you like to screech?

Oh, yeah. LIES


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...%27white%20alone.%27

Just because you have been lying and wrong for 10 years doesn't mean you can't be informed.

As usual, the data doesn't support your LIES

You might go talk to your preacher

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Hard to argue with that.
News on "X" is just like news on every other platform. Some of it is bullshit, some is factual, most is skewed in one way or another. As long as free speech is allowed though, it's a good thing. It is up to us, as the consumers, to decide what is real and what is self-serving BS. Bill

100% ^^^

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

Sorry, but it was LBJ and the Dems who passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It's certainly true that there was significant opposition from southern Democrats but you clearly need to look at the numbers in relation to the actual voting in the Senate so you have an understanding of who was actually responsible for passage....and it wasn't the GOP.

>>>>With six wavering senators providing a four-vote margin of victory, the final tally stood at 71 to 29—27 Republicans and 44 Democrats joined forces to support cloture. They were opposed by nay votes from six Republicans and 21 Democrats.<<<<

And, if anybody was responsible for the passage of the act, it was LBJ. I seem to recollect he was a Democrat.

https://www.senate.gov/artandh...remarkable%20victory.

There you go with your lies again. The Civil Rights act was passed by Liberals and not by conservatives. The conservatives opposed it. The conservatives lynched blacks well into the 2000s. They still do. The conservatives supported slavery and flew the confederate flag in the Capitol on Jan 6th.

Don't you dare claim any credit for the virtues of freedom and liberty when you support and defend servitude and oppression.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

Poor naki

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:


There you go with your lies again. The Civil Rights act was passed by Liberals and not by conservatives. The conservatives opposed it. The conservatives lynched blacks well into the 2000s. They still do. The conservatives supported slavery and flew the confederate flag in the Capitol on Jan 6th.

Don't you dare claim any credit for the virtues of freedom and liberty when you support and defend servitude and oppression.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

Since you claim the the White conservatives "still lynch blacks" there should be a plethora of easily stated cases to link as examples.

Please bring receipts, as wild claims are scoffed off as exactly that.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every White Conservative American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

Jeff, I fixed your quote to fit Naki's narrative.

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X, under Elon, is a good thing — likely the future of accurate reporting

The day that Hannity or Carlson or Musk, for examples, receives an award from the National Press Club for Journalism is the day that we know the transition to fascism happened at least a year before that.

They are the antithesis of Journalism and ethical reporting in general. They are tablodal in comparison to real journalism.

Letting their BS into your head will make you sick in the head, or sick comes first then the affirmations.

https://youtu.be/RgQBS7-nHr8?si=iTyO9vxiXtUWEy2e

'You're not the media': Axios CEO slams Elon Musk during speech

Axios' Jim VandeHei received an honor from the National Press Club to defend the hard work of reporting, the importance of the media and why Elon Musk is no reporter.

"Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth, and 'F' you if you can't handle the truth: this version of Biden—intellectually, analytically—is the best Biden ever."

Joe Scarborough MSNBC.

I think I can handle the Truth, mostly, when I see it, and opinions too, and non-truths too.

I don't see anything profound in your post - just another opinion stated as truth. And besides, I don't know WTF you're talking about.

Do you?

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Edited:

OK, with a little research I see where you got that info.

https://www.washingtonexaminer...the-best-biden-ever/

‘The best Biden ever’

(Note that this article isn't headed with the word "Opinion", but to significant degree it is opinion. It is however backed up with quotes, some of which are opinions, and some facts.)

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...VOf?ocid=socialshare

Opinion: Biden’s obsession with the sycophantic ‘Morning Joe’

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So I presume that you're saying that Joe Scarborough won't be receiving honors from the National Press Club either since they don't issue honors for hype or political sycophant - yet.

But ole Joe can reap some viewership from honoring those who do receive the journalism awards. You won't see that on Fox.

After his "let's make a deal", interpreted as "kiss the Ring" visit to Mar-a-Lago, ole Joe needs all the help he can find.

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All this brings up another facet of the theme of the OP -- "the future of accurate reporting". The comparison is the information dissemination, not the same as "accurate reporting", on Musk's X platform, with the information (dis or mis) spewing on Fox, with real journalism elsewhere. When appropriate, practically all the MSM articles are headed up with the word "opinion", except Fox. Musk's X is wide open except that which he or his algorithm chooses to censor and lies, propaganda, hate and love, all in the same pot with whatever truth may be there. I don't partake because I figure it's not worth my time to sort it out, if it can be sorted out. I figure that those who partake in X are not into sorting out truth, but affirmations are what they look for. Truth is null.

So, in part my point is that Fox's info spew model is very successful. The ratings tell the story and I'm sure they make a lot of money. Accuracy is not the priority. That has to be a powerful corrupting influence on the section of MSM who value real journalism. We shall see if they can stand the test.

=================================================

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...xMR?ocid=socialshare

Journalists flock to Bluesky as X becomes increasingly 'toxic'

Story by Kat Tenbarge • 3h • 4 min read

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

X, under Elon, is a good thing — likely the future of accurate reporting

The day that Hannity or Carlson or Musk, for examples, receives an award from the National Press Club for Journalism is the day that we know the transition to fascism happened at least a year before that.

They are the antithesis of Journalism and ethical reporting in general. They are tablodal in comparison to real journalism.

Letting their BS into your head will make you sick in the head, or sick comes first then the affirmations.

https://youtu.be/RgQBS7-nHr8?si=iTyO9vxiXtUWEy2e

'You're not the media': Axios CEO slams Elon Musk during speech

Axios' Jim VandeHei received an honor from the National Press Club to defend the hard work of reporting, the importance of the media and why Elon Musk is no reporter.

Sites like Patreon, Youtube etc are the new news media sources.
There's some really god professional stuff of the new style there.
But twitters big role is as a place these people can make us aware of their content.

Just open your eyes and mind.

Plenty of evidence around.

Lynching of blacks never stopped.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ssissippi-lynchings/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...in_the_United_States

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna77171

https://www.abhmuseum.org/8-su...sissippi-since-2000/

https://eji.org/news/elected-o...nching-black-people/

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:

You are never going to go back to the Texas of the "good old days" when you could lynch blacks and have a drink with your friends after.

What was it you said?
Your reductionist view is laughable.

Republicans ran that behavior out of the country when they passed the Civil rights act of 1964... you might watch Mississippi burning to see a dramatic presentation of stripping democrats of their racial tyranny.

But, if your basis is that every White Conservative American is a member of a lynch mob, well you are watching too many movies

Jeff, I fixed your quote to fit Naki's narrative.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...affdaaaa66e5b0&ei=89

'Extraordinary situation': How Musk could personally reap billions from 'efficiency' panel
Story by Carl Gibson • 4h • 3 min read

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Just open your eyes and mind.

Plenty of evidence around.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...in_the_United_States

I told you earlier that the Republicans ran this behavior out - THis is not a subject to be bandied about "for points" Naki

Here's a chart from one of your article



YOUR article, proving you WRONG - wonder if you ever get used to being this wrong on so many things -

What is it you like to screech? "liar" or some such...

Hey, Naki, why are YOU colonizing another country?


now, if we are done with naki's little self-flagellation diversion, can we get back on topic?

though, honestly, without the little naki "nuggets of wisdom", i would have forgotten why i don't like rabbits for indoor pets -

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Your political parties are as divisive as religions!

Saeed,
The parties don’t divide us. They just represent the dividends.

Traditionalist (mostly rural small town folks) just have nothing in common with Progressives (urban people). They are as different as day and night in the majority of topics.

The People are divided.

Rubbish. That is what the nutter right wing media that you seek out to confirm your world view tells you.

Americans have far more in common than we do different.

I work in politics quite a lot Steve with the DFW office of the GOP and the OK GOP. At least in Texas and Oklahoma…what I stated is 100% fact. It is driven home in every set of survey data I have reviewed. If you don’t see it…either, you don’t look, it is different in CO, or you are tone def.

The GOP only has one message, the sky is falling, it's all the Liberals fault and only Trump can save us.

I don't roll that way. I seek solutions to problems, compromise and do not see those with opposing political views as my enemy, nor do I view civil war as inevitable like Musk does.

Don't you tire of viewing the world through such a negative lens?

All I said was that there is a divide in our country getting wider each day and unlikely to come back together. That division is philosophical in nature and reflects the difference in vision between the Urban Progressives and the rural/small-town Traditionalists.

All you have to do confirm this is look at county map of the usa....the vast majority of the blue is urban!!!!

.

Too bad cows and grass do not matter.

If GOP believes that making everyone where their is population is a long term victory strategy, times are going to get sad indeed for the GOP.

A 2 percent swing in 3 states and Harris is president right now. Keep playing like you have all bullets.

Trump, Trumpism, and GOPers are going to fix it so a voter pendulum swing doesn't matter. They already have a running start at it.