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I am all for fixing it. Said so above. The “fact” (I know that is a never use word for liberals and conservative-lites) is it was the precedent and this case was handled outside of precedent. It is kind of like changing a law an then trying to prosecute people who were in violation prior to the change. Lawfare. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Everything about Trump is un-President'd.   ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Yes, of course you are: https://www.rollingstone.com/p...law-jail-1235027139/ Trump Pressures Republicans to Pass a Law to Keep Him Out of Jail Forever The former president is convinced state prosecutors will target him again after a second term, and wants the GOP to solve that problem for him BY ASAWIN SUEBSAENG, ADAM RAWNSLEY MAY 24, 2024 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news...RU4?ocid=socialshare Donald Trump wants to control the Justice Department and FBI. His allies have a plan Story by Gram Slattery, Sarah N. Lynch and Andrew Goudsward • 1w • 7 min read https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...Slh?ocid=socialshare Trump’s Shocking Scheme: A Permanent Get Out of Jail Free Card Story by Talia Jane • 22h • 2 min read https://thehill.com/homenews/h...-act-ban-gag-orders/ Republican pushing bill to ban gag orders dubbed ‘Let Trump Speak Act’ BY SARAH FORTINSKY - 05/20/24 3:55 PM ET ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Here's one for you, Lane: https://youtu.be/YdP9hQnQWuY?si=ROR8hj629T6VEuND The MAGA Reich What's the MAGA Reich's version of a swastika? Calvin pissing on a Rainbow.  ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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No, but you don't disclose them. Knowing them is not illegal if you acquired the information lawfully, disclosing it to those not authorized access, like Kid Rock, is a crime. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Supporting Trump is just a continuous exercise in rationalization. E.g., he takes top secret documents, that’s okay because he “knew” the information. E.g., falsifying financial statements, that’s okay because the banks got paid. E.g., he paid off a porn star and then falsified the financial entry, that’s okay because he is a victim of “lawfare”. E.g., he commits adultery over and over and then wants to paint himself as a family values advocate, that’s okay because God works in mysterious ways. His supporters are the most ethically and morally flexible people you could ever have the displeasure to meet. Mike | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7e1088898b3871&ei=91 Trump and GOP repeatedly echo Nazi and far-right ideology as they aim to retake White House Story by Benjamin Oreskes • 22h • 5 min read ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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He didn't know it because he supposedly never read the daily intelligence briefing reports. After they leave office former Presidents are given the courtesy of continuing to receive the daily briefings if the want them. In trump's case that courtesy was not extended for various reasons. I don't believe that the magnitude of document theft was known at the time. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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"Ethically and morally flexible" is a nice way of saying "unethical and immoral"... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Answer to 1. The Penn Biden center still has documents and Biden “sold” info to his ghost rider. How to you give that back…..? Answer to number 2. Transcripts do show demeanor, hesitation, body language , etc. that the special prosecutor testified about, referenced, etc. shouldn’t the American public be entitled to see and make their own opinion? Give yourself a break before you let your TDS controll your common sense.
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Are they classified documents? Or are you just running a typical Republican trick? | |||
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R or D, doesn’t matter. Just check out who funds the Penn Biden center. There have been multiple congressional hearings on what’s there and the funding sources. https://oversight.house.gov/re...n-policies%EF%BF%BC/
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Claims, without evidence, from James Comer, is about as iron-clad as proof of innocence gets. Comer has never been right once. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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TDS must be like meth. Denial is such an obvious symptom. If you’re interested in recovery instead of self righteous and blanket disbelief regardless of evidence, maybe watching the hearings could help. Follow the money, give due respect to the whistleblowers and remember Occam’s Razor. You might surprise yourself in learning that Joe’s a crook (albeit a DOJ protected crook), too. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I have seen their own witnesses and experts testify, under Oath, that there's no evidence to justify impeachment, and have seen Raskin challenge them repeatedly to bring any of their supposed Articles to the floor for a vote. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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A serious question: Recognizing that impeachment is a political process and not a criminal one, please, considering just criminal law, do you really believe that Biden and his family wouldn’t be prosecuted by an impartial DOJ for the apparent plethora of crimes committed? JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Put him in the right Texas or Oklahoma court and he is history. Of course I am not advocating for that of an elderly ex-president like all the foaming-at-the-mouth liberals and conservative-lites here. But just saying… ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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IMO, GOPers lost credibility back when they opened so many "investigations" of HRC and the Benghazi incidents. It was all political theater to do her harm politically. They never thought for an instant that their "investigation" would lead to prosecution or even "truth". It was all an act for the True Believers. Now we have Gym Jordon and Comer, under the farce umbrella of an anti-weaponization committee, making accusations with lame evidence. And those hungry for affirmations suck it up. It's a never-ending story. And, importantly, it looks like they are willing tools: https://newrepublic.com/post/1...jordan-smirnov-biden The GOP impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden has crashed and burned in a spectacular way since its main witness, an informant who claimed Biden had pocketed millions of dollars from a Ukrainian oligarch, was indicted by the Department of Justice for lying to the FBI. Since then, Smirnov has reportedly admitted to law enforcement that top Russian intelligence officials were involved in the smear campaign against the sitting president. On Wednesday, Jordan insisted to reporters that Smirnov’s indictment “doesn’t change the fundamental facts”—although, of course, those “facts” have now turned out to be Russia-baked lies. ================================================ https://congressionalintegrity...alled-bribery-tapes/ In response, Congressional Integrity Project executive director, Kyle Herrig, issued the following statement: “This is the Republican game plan – they claim to have explosive evidence to get news coverage before admitting that they don’t actually have the evidence and can’t verify whether it is real. They have made abundantly clear that they don’t care about actual oversight and the truth but rather trying to get the American people to buy into their lies in an effort to hurt President Biden and Democrats and get their twice-indicted, failed former president re-elected.” ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Despite their best efforts Republicans have produced NO evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Joe Biden, at all, and Rudy botched the attempt to manufacture some. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Yea, we know that's true. Lawfare much? Project much? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...55b85314bd3b32&ei=15 Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's chilling message: Laws aren't for conservatives to obey ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Just trying to understand Earnest. So you accept that Trump is a crook and deserving of prosecution, you just believe that we should prosecute all the crooks? The reason I ask is that you seem to spend a lot of energy on the notion that Biden should be prosecuted (which personally I am fine with) but a lot less energy on the notion that Trump should be prosecuted for his crimes. Mike | |||
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Let's clarify: "a lot of energy on the notion that Biden should be prosecuted" with insufficient evidence. No legit prosecutor, DA or grand jury would let it happen, yet the "Judge" would and pre-judge it all. "but a lot less energy on the notion that Trump should be prosecuted for his crimes." Alleged crimes, for which he past the threshold of grand jury, and evidence aplenty that crimes were committed and more likely than not prosecution would lead to conviction under the beyond reasonable doubt burden of proof test. The retired judge seems to not recognize what he's saying and thinking is not objective, nor ideological impartial. "do you really believe that Biden and his family wouldn’t be prosecuted by an impartial DOJ for the apparent plethora of crimes committed?" I believe that an impartial DOJ, grand jury, prosecutor or judge, would see through this "plethora" farce from Jordon and Comer, etc. in less than an instant, because it is a farce. Definition: A plethora of something is a large amount of it, especially an amount of it that is greater than you need, want, or can cope with. We have a plethora for sure, just not the "apparent plethora of crimes committed" which the judge claims. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Trump is being prosecuted as hard as the Biden administration can go. That’ll play out. Biden is getting a free ride from the same folks, Giving one (Biden) a pass on overwhelming direct and circumstantial evidence, often more damning than Trump indictment claims, only builds divisions and distrust. DOJ stonewalling, collusion between state and Federal prosecutors, trial timing, proven FBI election interference… Hillary’s pass on prosecution… it goes on. Would the country be so divided if all of us could see that one side was treated as the other was. And the really big question (not justifying it, of course) but would Jan 6th have occurred if DOJ and the FBI (under either R or D) had prosecuted earlier incursions and Russia fraud by the Dems. Who knows?
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Do you think that the Trump supporters refusing to acknowledge his own civil and criminal responsibility, e.g., stating that falsifying certified financial statements used to secure loans is no big deal, refusing to accept the idea that falsifying business records might be a crime, arguing that taking classified documents and refusing to return them is okay, do you think that that sort of behavior by his supporters contributes to building division and distrust? Mike | |||
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I there a video of Trump saying anything pre-invasion/riot about right to protest even at the cost of violence? I'd like to see that including any words spoken 10 seconds before and after that statement to avoid cutting off any words. At this point I am neutral on Trump. Why all this big shit about hush money? Get it over with already. Where is the IRS on this? Sure looks like a tax reporting issue. What a cluster fahoodle. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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A serious question to you...for the third time. What criminal acts has President Biden engaged in and what facts exist to support any such allegations?  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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"Trump is being prosecuted as hard as the Biden administration can go." Full of shit right out of the gate. Biden is not in charge of the NY state court system. Biden does not control the DOJ, either. He's been hands off on Hunter. Trump is being prosecuted for criminal deeds, not persecuted politically. Indictments are handed down by grand juries seeing the facts. Get off your knees, already | |||
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Mike: You’re a smart man so if you think about it a few minutes, what I’m saying is that both sides have adopted a religious faith that demands that EVERYTHING that the other side does is an anathema that demands a blind belief that all evil is bestowed with the opposition. Your last question about the stream of Trump prosecutions seems to border on that. Two unique and novel prosecutions of Trump in New York, one really being about misdemeanors upon which the Statute of Limitations had run and a civil trial during which the gov’t’s usual appraisal expert and the lending institutions (with their own appraisal department) both testified no fraud. Need I mention the Fani Willis debacle? Lane is correct. You’d have walked Trump on both in 10 minutes in Texas. In Georgia last week I followed Sec of State results that were amazingly inaccurate. I watched votes being “found” all Tuesday night. Not created, mind you, but actually “found” in the confusion of over 150 counties’ talleys along with municipal elections both being run by poorly trained folks . The Jan 6th issues are now so tainted by the flagrant abuse of the Georgia and N.Y. abominations that 50% of Americans won’t believe the truth in any verdict. Trump knew he didn’t piss in a bed in Moscow even though he was impeached for it (at least indirectly). Why should he have not believed Adam Schiff, et al, weren’t stealing an election from him. My fear and what I’m saying, I guess, is that the cultish faith in the evil of anyone who questions anothers dogma (right or left) has killed rational political thought and there will be hell to pay.
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blo·vi·ate [ˈblōvēˌāt] verb US ENGLISH informal talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way: "when so many people are bloviating, it's easy to dismiss all discourse as chatter" · "you don't come here to hear from a pompous guy bloviating about his own personal opinions" "Dogma, in its broadest sense, is any belief held unquestioningly and with undefended certainty." (None of the questions asked were answered) "Deflection is a psychological defense mechanism that involves shifting attention, blame, or criticism away from oneself" ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Someone is a dumb shit. The #3 man in the Biden DOJ left justice to prosecute Trump. I wonder why?
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So what? #3 isn't the big fish. People switch jobs on those levels all the time. Did he "own" a grand jury or something, or are you just throwing shit against a wall? Got some inside info that shows Biden calling the shots? | |||
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Do you believe anyone doesn’t think you to be amazingly naive or amazingly able to avoid the truth. Oh, maybe another TDS victim can come up with the incredible premise that #3 in Justice isn’t a big fish…. A real problem with TDS is that the true believers are compelled to think inductively instead of deductively. The religion requires a faith that any anti-Trump claim is true and any fact that tends to lead to an opposing view is a lie or just made up. I.e., Biden is anti-Trump so any anti-Biden evidence is false, regardless of its merit. Otherwise, the basic dogma fails and the cult is exposed. Can’t have that, huh? So… #3 in Justice “just changed jobs”. When the ends justify the means, we’re all in trouble. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Two-part quote response: The real problem with TDS is that the term is made-up BS, showing those claiming it can't explain how the whole mess of Trump(ism) is seen by many. So, as you do, try to explain it through your lens of religion. And finally, we have something you said that we can agree on - regarding the end justifies the means. But inevitably you got that wrong too, attributing it to the left. It's not a liberal thing. It's a rightists' thing, just like fascism isn't fomented in liberalism. It's always a rightist thing - illiberal. There's much to read on this. Here's an example: https://www.thenation.com/arti...-ends-justify-means/ Why Conservatives Think the Ends Justify the Means Who needs a majority—or democracy—when you just know that your cause is the most righteous? https://simple.wikipedia.org/w..._justifies_the_means The end justifies the means is a paraphrase of Niccolò Machiavelli.[1] It means that if a goal is morally important enough, any method of getting it is acceptable. The idea is ancient, but it was not meant to justify unnecessary cruelty. It was part of a political philosophy called consequentialism. The basic idea is that a policy can be judged by its outcome. All modern versions of consequentialism have to deal with the limitations necessary to prevent tyrants abusing this idea. Note: in the last sentence above "limitations necessary" substitute rule of law. For "tyrant" substitute Trump(ism). Here's how liberals think: When the means justify the ends, ethical consideration focuses on what you do, not the consequences of what you've done. Traditionally, focusing on means instead of ends leads to an ethics based on duties or rights. ======================================================= I did a little more research on the notions of the ends justify the means vs the means justifies the ends. It's not that this is the first time I've studied this, but it's good to study it some more. Here's a recent article that IMO helps with understanding the stakes and scope, history and present, etc., and both the left and right's contribution to illiberalism. Of course, IMO, the right is the greatest threat right now, but the left is not innocent either. The greatest threat right now, IMO, is ignorance and perspective from that. A deeper dive: https://lawliberty.org/archetype-of-illiberalism/ Law and Liberty ESSAY FEBRUARY 22, 2024 Archetype of Illiberalism Carl Schmitt serves as a negative exemplar, illuminating the dangers against which classical liberalism must guard. (remember - Republicanism used to embody classical liberalism) ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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So, like a couple of house members keep demanding, where is the impeachment?> The GOP has the numbers, they haven't got shit for a crime & you damn well know it, just like they do. Maybe call your buddy Comer & dream something up. | |||
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As an old friend is fond of saying, you're more full of shit than a Christmas turkey. TDS is a condition made up by Trumpies and used whenever they can't defend their idol. | |||
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I think a big part of the problem is people that should know better, either intentionally or unintentionally spreading misinformation. For example, the civil case required no finding of reliance. The NY statute that was the basis of the suit does not require reliance (as you know, an element of fraud is reliance). But instead of addressing the lies and misrepresentations in the financial statements and the actual elements of the law, folks just declare that since the loans were repaid it was all okay. So long as the Trumplican wing of the party is prepared to dismiss and turn a blind eye to Trump's legally indefensible behavior they should not be surprised when others turn a deaf ear to all their whining. Mike | |||
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So, that's your reality. Hummm That one paragraph quote is so loaded it could take an essay to unpack it. I'll try to be concise. Let's restructure the paragraph to help get to the essence: "The religion requires a faith that any anti-Trump claim is true and any fact that tends to lead to an opposing view is a lie or just made up. I.e., Biden is anti-Trump so any anti-Biden evidence is false, regardless of its merit. Otherwise, the basic dogma fails and the cult is exposed." So, in essence those three sentences are filled with premises. Two things that could be surmised from your post is that you believe you know what you are saying, and it is from years of experience and practice. What are you offering as fact and evidence in support of the premises? "A real problem with TDS is that the true believers are compelled to think inductively instead of deductively." Is that not just more premise? Frankly, I have reviewed the difference in inductive vs deductive reasoning and it's almost over my head. That's something you are not willing to admit. But, in your post, IMO, you have not demonstrated that you really know the difference, and have demonstrated some form of reasoning that is neither. Supporting a series of premises with premises is not the way to get to reality nor is it reasoning or critical thinking. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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"Belief" requires neither of inductive or deductive reasoning. "Faith" does not require reasoning at all, or much in the way of evidence. It is fallacy to try to apply reason to matters where reason plays no part. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Yes, I'm afraid our learned judge doesn't understand the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. I suspect he's parroting something he heard on some rightwing news program. Both types of reasoning are useful and valid. Inductive reasoning relies on inference. If I hear glass break behind me in the kitchen, turn, and see my spouse standing with a broken glass at her feet, inductive reasoning tells me she broke the glass--even though I didn't see her do it. Inductive reasoning often relies on circumstantial evidence (as in the above example). Juries are routinely instructed by judges that they may rely on either or both circumstantial and direct evidence. Deductive reasoning relies on direct evidence. If I see her pick up the glass and drop it, deductive reasoning tells me she broke the glass. A real judge would know all this. | |||
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