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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and yet you will have people on here tell you that because he has an (R) behind his name he is preferable to anyone with a (D) behind their name.

That is a fact…because in that job…policy matters.

If you are too dumb to see that…you are just dumb.

Some months ago here there was a thread about what it means to be American. To me that is “to do the right thing”.

Doing the right thing requires integrity, a moral compass, ethics and honesty … irrespective of the letter after a persons name. What US politics needs is more people who will cross the party divide and support doing the right thing.

I totally disagree.

What the US needs is for people to see that the Democratic Party leads us to a less-free socialistic state and oppose them at all costs.

My moral and ethical compass steers me clear of the Democratic Platform. I work within the Primary system where I can to produce candidates whom I can like for more than their vote.

But make no mistake…their votes are the more important aspect for the trend of the government.

You totally disagree that those in public service should have integrity, a moral compass, ethics ?

My disagreement is that you advocate dissing the Republican Party in favor of a Democrat over a bad apple. Bad apples fall equally on both sides of the tree. My interests are better served with Republicans in majority. And, endorsing the Democratic Platform in the first place…is morally reprehensible to me. If the guy committed a crime…he should go to jail. If he disparaged someone…he should be sued. If his constituents don’t like him…they should vote him out. If he violated ethics rules…he should incur the prescribed remedy.

Because the chap in the OP has none of them. If you are willing to turn a blind eye just because he has an R after his name then you are enabling the lying, the duplicitous behaviour and the corruption to continue.

It matters not which side of the line dishonest people stand. Whether it's the corrupt NJ senator (can't recall his name sorry), the sleezebag in the OP, or Trump, none of them have any place in public service.

You say often how "free" you are. The greater a societies corruption and dishonesty the less freedom its citizens enjoy.

Edit - the NJ sleezbag is Bob Menendez

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My point is that both sides are rife with the problem. I’ll take the crook that votes the way I like over the crook that doesn’t.

I advocate vetting the candidates in the Primaries.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My point is that both sides are rife with the problem. I’ll take the crook that votes the way I like over the crook that doesn’t.

I advocate vetting the candidates in the Primaries.

...and supporting a crook merely enables him and all the others...and makes you part of the problem.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

Sorry, but you ceded the moral high-ground in 2016.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

Sorry, but you ceded the moral high-ground in 2016.

Now wait just one second - In 2016 the options were trump and clinton - NEITHER choice was "the moral high ground"

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

Sorry, but you ceded the moral high-ground in 2016.

Now wait just one second - In 2016 the options were trump and clinton - NEITHER choice was "the moral high ground"

Except Clinton's supposed "moral failings" were entirely made up and pushed for years by professional liars.

Why did Trump's DOJ never charge her with any of the crap his campaign accused her of?

Because she would have handed them their asses like she did the Benghazi Committee.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

Sorry, but you ceded the moral high-ground in 2016.

Now wait just one second - In 2016 the options were trump and clinton - NEITHER choice was "the moral high ground"

Except Clinton's supposed "moral failings" were entirely made up and pushed for years by professional liars.

Why did Trump's DOJ never charge her with any of the crap his campaign accused her of?

Because she would have handed them their asses like she did the Benghazi Committee.

literally the dumbest post of the month -

the ONLY reason trump won in 2016 was because the choice was hillary --

Just one TEENY TINY example
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...ngth-with-women.html

hillary slut shaming victims of Bill's

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

There are people on both sides who are not corrupt or dishonest.

To do as you suggest you would inevitably have to, in some cases, vote for a corrupt R over an honest D. Thus you are perpetuating the problem, yet you cannot see that.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

There are people on both sides who are not corrupt or dishonest.

To do as you suggest you would inevitably have to, in some cases, vote for a corrupt R over an honest D. Thus you are perpetuating the problem, yet you cannot see that.

Everything is a trade off in politics…everything must have a scale. The bottom of my scale is support for the Democratic Platform/Agenda…it is morally reprehensible to me. I work up from there.

Voting for a Democrat perpetuates a far more severe and long reaching problem…yet you cannot see that.

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It takes Nute, as an outsider, to see the glaring deficiencies caused by immoral, unethical politicians on both sides…

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Originally posted by skb:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

There are people on both sides who are not corrupt or dishonest.

To do as you suggest you would inevitably have to, in some cases, vote for a corrupt R over an honest D. Thus you are perpetuating the problem, yet you cannot see that.

Everything is a trade off in politics…everything must have a scale. The bottom of my scale is support for the Democratic Platform/Agenda…it is morally reprehensible to me. I work up from there.

Voting for a Democrat perpetuates a far more severe and long reaching problem…yet you cannot see that.

MAGAts are morally reprehensible to me. The complete lack of a moral compass is far worse than the Democrat party platform.

Voting for people who would normalize the disregarding law and order as long as they win will lead to far more severe and long lasting problems in our society.

Shame you cannot see the forest for the trees.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
Again the MAGA-thumbsuckers really got beat up on this thread. Sometimes it is just fun to sit back and watch them make dumb comment after dumb comment. Makes you wonder how they ever survived to adulthood.

The Republicans have no policies or plans to improve people's lives, but that "nothing" is oh, so important to the Kool-Aid drinkers. Laughable!

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Originally posted by Bivoj:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It takes Nute, as an outsider, to see the glaring deficiencies caused by immoral, unethical politicians on both sides…

And British government and royals are 100% perfect moral compass of the world…

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Lower taxes improve people’s lives.

Having safer communities (ie, law enforcement) improves people’s lives.

Face it, the Democrats are about improving only certain people’s lives…

The difference between the two is which people.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
Again the MAGA-thumbsuckers really got beat up on this thread. Sometimes it is just fun to sit back and watch them make dumb comment after dumb comment. Makes you wonder how they ever survived to adulthood.

The Republicans have no policies or plans to improve people's lives, but that "nothing" is oh, so important to the Kool-Aid drinkers. Laughable!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
As stated above…the Democratic Platform is morally reprehensible to me.

Thus, we can clean it best by eliminating that 50% first.

There are people on both sides who are not corrupt or dishonest.

To do as you suggest you would inevitably have to, in some cases, vote for a corrupt R over an honest D. Thus you are perpetuating the problem, yet you cannot see that.

Everything is a trade off in politics…everything must have a scale. The bottom of my scale is support for the Democratic Platform/Agenda…it is morally reprehensible to me. I work up from there.

Voting for a Democrat perpetuates a far more severe and long reaching problem…yet you cannot see that.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

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Originally posted by skb:
Wrong again....MAGA is the threat to our way of life. These would be the same seditionist rat bastards that you support, the ones who attempted to overthrow a legitimate election. May they rot in hell.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

Its exactly end justifies the means. You support a dishonest lying corrupt R over an honest D.

“If” that were entirely true…you might have a point. But corruption falls equally on both sides. The more likely assumption and the one I make is that they are both dishonest and the degree would be futile to try and ascertain — then vote policy. If rampant corruption arises…vote differently in the next Primary.

This perpetuates corruption and dishonesty in government, which you are fine with, as long as the politicians keep doing things you support whilst lining their pockets / lying.

You cannot have freedom if those steering the ship are dishonest and can be bought by anyone with sufficient cash.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Lower taxes improve people’s lives.

Having safer communities (ie, law enforcement) improves people’s lives.

Face it, the Democrats are about improving only certain people’s lives…

The difference between the two is which people.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
Again the MAGA-thumbsuckers really got beat up on this thread. Sometimes it is just fun to sit back and watch them make dumb comment after dumb comment. Makes you wonder how they ever survived to adulthood.

The Republicans have no policies or plans to improve people's lives, but that "nothing" is oh, so important to the Kool-Aid drinkers. Laughable!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No…not at all.

The best Democrat (possible exception Manchin) does the country more harm than the worst Republican. The Democratic Platform is 180 with my morals.

Oh, But Texas has had a couple really good democrats - Bill White, former mayor of Houston, Kathy Whitmire, ditto, Lady Ann Richards, Gov, and Mark White ---

But old-school Texas democrats would be labeled EXTREME CONSERVATIVES in today's climate

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Steve,
you know there a difference between Conservatives, GPO members, and the fringe of Maga, right? Just like not all dems are antifa or communists.