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Liz Cheney does it again, from this morning's Bulwark: Cheney’s Endorsement Was No Accident —William Kristol Liz Cheney spoke yesterday at Duke University, a very fine school known for being a five-time NCAA national men’s basketball champion. Like so many of those teams shaped by the great Coach K, Cheney came to play. Honored by Duke as this year’s Sanford Distinguished Lecturer, Cheney engaged in a conversation with political scientist Peter Feaver on the subject of “Defending Democracy.” As a former Republican leader in the House of Representatives and Vice Chair of the House’s January 6th Committee in 2022, Cheney had many important things to say on that broad topic. But what was notable is that she decided not simply to look back and reflect but to confront the challenge we face in defending our democracy now. Speaking extemporaneously, Cheney said this to an auditorium full of students: Donald Trump, no matter what your policy views are—no matter if you are a conservative Republican or not—Donald Trump cannot be trusted with power. The power of the presidency is the most awesome power of any office anywhere in the world, and the character of the people we elect really matters. And, so what I say is, I understand the desire to think that you’re casting a vote for conservative policies, but—first of all, he is not a conservative, and he’s dangerous, and this is not a policy election, and we can talk about getting this country back on track once we get through this election cycle—but Donald Trump, if he is reelected, will be far more dangerous than we have ever seen before. He has told us he believes you can terminate the Constitution. He’s gone to war with the rule of law. He repeatedly suggests that the people who assaulted and attacked the Capitol should be celebrated. He has said he will ignore the rulings of the courts. He won’t leave office. He is a risk that we simply can’t take, and he has to be defeated. I say that, not as a liberal Democrat. Not as someone who agrees with policies on the left most of the time, but he is simply a risk that, as a nation, we must never take again. Because we are here in North Carolina, I think it is crucially important for people to recognize not only is what I’ve just said about the danger that Trump poses, something that should prevent people from voting for him, but I don’t believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates’ names, particularly in swing states. And, as a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the Constitution, I have thought deeply about this, and because of the danger that Donald Trump poses, not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but I will be voting for Kamala Harris. And let me say that I think it is crucially important—and I would say especially to my fellow conservatives—that we think about the stakes and we think about the extent to which we have a duty, a duty, to put our country and our Constitution above partisanship. We all have that duty and responsibility. That Cheney would endorse Kamala Harris in this year’s presidential election isn’t surprising. But most observers expected her to wait to do so until later in September. But Cheney wasn’t being impulsive. She didn’t accidentally blurt out an endorsement whose debut had been planned for later. She knows that we are at a crucial moment in the campaign, after the Democratic convention and before next week’s debate. Harris has pulled even in the contest, but it’s on a razor’s edge. And some conservatives and Republicans—like former Pennsylvania Sen. Pat Toomey earlier this week—have had the decency to shun Trump but are nonetheless shying away from endorsing Harris. Cheney thinks sitting out the contest is a fundamental mistake and an unwitting evasion of responsibility. She believes now is the time to step up and help other conservatives and Republicans understand why they need to get off the bench when there’s so much at stake. Cheney’s former January 6th Committee colleague, Adam Kinzinger, and the former lieutenant governor of Georgia, Geoff Duncan, made this case eloquently at the Democratic convention. Now Cheney has put an exclamation point on their arguments, and has laid the groundwork for two months of reiterating and reinforcing them. Which I gather she’ll be doing though an extensive schedule of travel and events through all the swing states. Why did Cheney announce her support of Harris in a conversation in front of students, rather than from a podium at a national convention or in the calm and professional setting of a television studio? Maybe it was just a matter of timing and convenience. But she may also have thought it appropriate to say what she had to say in a context different from the normal venues politicians inhabit. She made the case against Trump and for Harris at a discussion about defending democracy. That’s not an accident. She was emphasizing that the 2024 election isn’t just politics as usual. It also won’t have escaped Cheney’s notice that she was being honored by Duke as the Sanford Distinguished Lecturer. Terry Sanford was a longtime president of Duke University. (Not the least of his accomplishments was that he hired Coach K.) But before that, from 1961 to 1965, Sanford was governor of North Carolina. On January 14, 1963, George Wallace was sworn in as governor of Alabama, proclaiming in his inaugural address, “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” Four days later, on January 18, 1963, Gov. Sanford chose to give a major speech of his own, in which he became the first southern governor to call for an end to racially discriminatory employment practices: “The time has come for American citizens to give up this reluctance, to quit unfair discrimination, and to give the Negro a full chance to earn a decent living for his family and to contribute to higher standards for himself and all men.” The path of Terry Sanford or that of George Wallace? We faced that choice sixty years ago, and as a nation we eventually chose the right path. Today one of our two major parties has nominated, for the third consecutive time, Donald Trump, the most dangerous demagogue to emerge in American politics since Wallace, but made more dangerous by his greater electoral success. There haven’t been very many latter-day Terry Sanfords: elected officials from Trump’s own party with the courage and capacity to speak up against him and the threat he represents. All honor to Liz Cheney for doing so. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | ||
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Well, only half way. Supporting such an idiot as Kamala defies comprehension! I cannot understand what that Bimbo says! | |||
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Maybe you have a comprehension problem, an awful lot of Americans understand her just fine. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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She's not a seditionist. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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She is a RINO!!! | |||
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And my rebuttal is: No matter how much you hate Donald Trump…allowing the Democratic Party to control the executive branch is ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The border alone should be enough to give anyone pause!!!!! The eco my and inflation??? Well that is gonna get worse with the dumb ass proposals Kamala has brought forth..... | |||
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And my rebuttal is: No matter how much you hate the person running against Trump, the events of January 6 should be enough to convince any reasonable person that it would be insanity to send a seditionist back to the White House. Mike | |||
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AMEN!. I supported Trump until J6 occurred. Contrary to the bullshit posted here, those were not mostly peaceful tourists. And it was anything but a lawful, peaceful transfer of power. The gallows out front dramatically made that point. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Mike I largely agree with you, though i havent bern a trump voter or supporter.. though the "gallows"... how many times have we seen "mostly peaceful " protests with trump being hung in effigy like guy fawlkes ? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don’t hate the person at all. But I do hate their policies, actions, and inactions. Back at ya. PS: And I hate the Democratic Party platform in general. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, as I have said I have no home in either the Republican or Democratic parties, which makes me a RINO and a DINO --like the majority of Americans. I cannot get enthused about Kamala -- nor can any centrist -- but Trump is toxic. Not only does he despise our Constitution and our veterans -- especially the wounded, the dead and the POW "losers and suckers" -- but he wants to cut taxes for the rich and raise the national debt, and he vows to apply stiff tariffs to all imports from both friend and foe, which will cause cancerous inflation that will make so-called "Bidenomics" a small inconvenience in comparison. And he wants to take policy independence away from the Fed. He is a dangerous idiot who can't even lawfully own a firearm. Let him go rot on some Florida golf course and leave America alone. And Slider, being a RINO is a badge of honor in this year of our Lord, 2024. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I don’t like politicians. End of story! | |||
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And, my rebuttal is: you support a seditionist. Making you a seditionist. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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We already know, Saeed. You like oligarchy, Rulers from top down. Politics just make it complicated. Of course, your "Rule" and our "Rule" have different origins in ideology, but they are still both human solutions to political order in a society. Here are a few choice quotes or abstracts about what Aristotle said about politics: Aristotle states, “The politician and lawgiver is wholly occupied with the city-state, and the constitution is a certain way of organizing those who inhabit the city-state” In his Politics, he describes the role that politics and the political community must play in bringing about the virtuous life in the citizenry. ("Virtuous" in citizenry and governance, politics, are mutually inclusive or the system doesn't work. That's the breakdown with Trumpism). Government, Aristotle says, must be in the hands of one, of a few, or of the many; and governments may govern for the general good or for the good of the rulers .. Aristotle believed man was a “political animal” because he is a social creature with the power of speech and moral reasoning. Political science, as Aristotle developed it, therefore, is the science (episteme) or knowledge of human action within a field of ends. ========================================= Basically, I agree with the OP article premise. DJT is a monkey wrench in the gears of politics. Alexander Hamilton wrote to George Washington in 1792. “When a man unprincipled in private life[,] desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper … is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity … It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’” IMO, this article is very important in understanding what Trump and Trumpism is all about and why it should be shunned: https://wapo.st/3zbCMl7 The Founders’ antidote to demagoguery is a lesson for today In the Federalist Papers, Madison and Hamilton made clear that the Constitution was designed to foster deliberation so that citizens could avoid retreating into the angry mobs and partisan factions that demagogues can inflame. Ancient Athens had fallen because the demagogue Cleon had seduced the Athenian assembly into continuing the war with the Peloponnesian League; the Roman Republic had fallen because the people were corrupted by Caesar, who offered them luxury in exchange for liberty. Only by governing their selfish emotions as individuals could citizens avoid degenerating into selfish factions that threaten the common good. The Founders believed that virtuous self-mastery was necessary for both personal and political happiness. Today, we think of happiness as the pursuit of pleasure. But classical and Enlightenment thinkers defined happiness as the pursuit of virtue — as being good rather than feeling good. Just as individuals can use their powers of reason to achieve psychological happiness, so can groups of citizens use theirs to achieve political happiness. Washington made the connection between public and private virtue and happiness repeatedly in his career. “Virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government,” he warned in his Farewell Address. In his Circular to the States in 1783, he said that four things were necessary for the people’s political and social happiness: an “indissoluble Union,” a “sacred regard to public Justice,” a “proper Peace Establishment,” and the cultivation of private virtue, which he defined as “the prevalence of that pacific and friendly disposition among the people of the United States, which will induce them to forget their local prejudices and policies” and “to sacrifice their individual advantages to the interest of the community.” ============================================= I also think that the GOP doesn't play politics with good will or virtuously, instead spitefully. That's the breakdown accentuated by Trump. IOW, politics is not a bad word or concept. It's made that way with addenda or agenda that are devious, dishonorable, etc., or by such means. IOW lies and abuse of power. Look at all the spin and lies and farce investigations by GOPers in congress, all associated with Trumpism. There is no doubt that Trump will abuse the power of office to whatever extent he can get away with, which is too much. and he has plenty of flying monkeys in support. ====================================== https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...e677cd09807352&ei=41 US disinformation researcher laments 'incredible witch hunt' Story by AFP • 12h • 3 min read
************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Liar. She was one of the most conservative GOP members there was. | |||
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LIAR she is a Flip Flopper that's why she was The Only Republican on The January 6th Fake Investigation. You know The One that EVERYTHING was DELETED when the Oversight went after All The Records!!!..... | |||
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All else is redundant.
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Liz? No, wait, you think you are serious? That's so precious opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Her record was high 90s voting w Trump Agenda. | |||
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Is this a JOKE? This is NONCENSE Dems are Terrified he will Expose them. He already said he will Release The Maxwell/Epstein Black Book. He has Already been in Office. His Record? NO Wars, NO INFLATION, Record Low Interest Rates Record Low Gas Prices, Closed Borders. | |||
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Donald Trump does not even understand what a tariff is, or who ends up paying the price. A tariff simply raises the price of imported goods to the consumer, and is intended to promote the consumption of domestic product. The result is that domestic producers use that as an opportunity to raise prices to very near the tariffed imports, fueling inflation. Here’s a classic example - at U.S. insistence, Canada levied tariffs on Chinese electric cars - not that any sane Canadian would ever buy a Chinese electric car. On response, China levied a countervailing tariff on Canadian Canola, which will have serious ramifications for Canadian farmers. Who wins? For some baffling reason, Trump appears to think ‘tariff’ means payment from a foreign source (“We’ll be bringing in trillions!”). He should stick to his personal skills, like grabbing women by the pussy, raiding his families bogus charities and welching on debts. | |||
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WOW! Just wow..I can’t decide if some people actually believe this shit, or if someone with malicious intent pays them to spew it. | |||
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