Why it would have been different under President Trump.

Yes, it’s X Roland…from the former Speaker of the House.

Trump negotiated that ridiculous withdrawal.
President Biden to his shame executed it.

It has nothing to do with these two presidential candidates today.

But for, one of them negotiated with the Taliban giving them everything they wanted. That one candidate is Trump.

Great policy example by Trump is it not? We both no the true and honest answer is no.

And if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. Maybe Jeff will be along to call you out for "whataboutism" although I kind of doubt it.

Bullshit!

20 years!

Successive governments.

And the result was never in doubt!

You got your sorry arse handed to you!

Just like Vietnam!

Bullies got what they deserve!

But you never learn.

LEAVE EVERYONE BE!

Stop trying to export DEMOCRACY!

Try it at home first!

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Originally posted by MJines:
And if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. Maybe Jeff will be along to call you out for "whataboutism" although I kind of doubt it.

Don't lead with your chin, Mike

Credit where credit is due:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Credit where credit is due:

Exactly.

On the left is a bullet who got his arse handed to him.

On the right is a cave dwelling man still living in Bedrock times!!

So bloody funny this!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why it would have been different under President Trump.

Yes, it’s X Roland…from the former Speaker of the House.

I'll take that as an unverifiable but likely story. It's still a stretch to think that the Afghan army would continue to hold off the Taliban when they would be taking over their government, weapons, and paychecks in only months.

Hmmm...did he give Joe Biden the picture and the GPS coordinates?

How do you lot expect to win any war with your commander in chief is a draft dodging coward??

Trump earned a gargantuan F in Afghanistan just like every other president that Commander's in Chief there.

Theres no negotiating with those Cave Dwellers, there's no agreement to be made, no treaty to be signed.

As Israel is doing in Gaza with Hamas, we should have rooted out and destroyed the Taliban and left the cleanup to others.

As Saeed says, the mind boggles that we can consider the obvious failures of our own actions, see the obvious successes of Israel and still come to our same old failed conclusions.

Afghanistan has longed been called the graveyard of empires

Russia ... Afganistan

Was the result any different ..?

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Why it would have been different under President Trump.

Yes, it’s X Roland…from the former Speaker of the House.

I notice you can't bring yourself to say his name.

NEWT GINGRICH! LMAO!

I am not ashamed to mention his name. One of the best Speakers the House has ever seen. He gave us a great economy under Clinton.

I voted for him in the 2012 primary. Actually, he is one of the few politicians I really follow.

Afghanistan would have been TOTALLY different if Trump had of handled the withdrawal.

The clip tells the tale.

What would Trump have done differently that would have changed the result?

Something that doesn't rely on hindsight, I mean.

His willingness to use technological force against the Taliban leaders if they didn’t toe the line could have allowed the seeds we planted to grow. But, we will never know.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Afghanistan would have been TOTALLY different if Trump had of handled the withdrawal.

The clip tells the tale.

No.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Afghanistan would have been TOTALLY different if Trump had of handled the withdrawal.

The clip tells the tale.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conjecture

Come on Man.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
His willingness to use technological force against the Taliban leaders if they didn’t toe the line could have allowed the seeds we planted to grow. But, we will never know.

Trump made the deal for the Taliban to take over. They agreed to conduct negotiations with the existing Afghan government, and they did so. The deal didn't obligate the Taliban to compromise on or agree to anything.

The Taliban adhered to the terrible deal Trump made. After that, their takeover was inevitable.

In my experience of negotiating business deals and seeing them executed…

…a deal (especially a deal with not so amicable parties) only transacts as well as its craftsmen enforce their vision of the deal on the outcome.

Biden/Harris SHITSHOW.It Killed 13 of our Military!!!

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Originally posted by Slider:
Biden/Harris SHITSHOW.It Killed 13 of our Military!!!

Bush/Cheney shitshow set the stage, 10's of thousands killed while "nation building".

All prisoners were to be released by the Taliban.
They broke that very important agreement. No way we should have left without them.

Trump said he will release The Documents. He said the Gold Star Family’s deserve it!!!

Trump says a lot of things. 99.9% of them are pure bullshit.

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Originally posted by Slider:
Trump said he will release The Documents. He said the Gold Star Family’s deserve it!!!

Trump said he was going to release his health care plan too, in four years he never seemed to manage to get that done.