In Primaries in Connecticut, New York and Wisconsin 23,22 and 21%, respectively, voted for somebody else despite nobody else still running.

Which means 80% are just as stupid as those voting for Kamala!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Which means 80% are just as stupid as those voting for Kamala!

With Republicans already being in the minority any candidate who can only get 80% of them can't win.

But every evening at dinner, for a half hour after the meal, I hear on the TV news that Trump is leading in the polls.

And I don't watch FOX.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
But every evening at dinner, for a half hour after the meal, I hear on the TV news that Trump is leading in the polls.

And I don't watch FOX.

Goes to show that GOP voters are just as stupid as Commie voters!

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
But every evening at dinner, for a half hour after the meal, I hear on the TV news that Trump is leading in the polls.

And I don't watch FOX.

Yet Democrats have outperformed the polls in almost every actual election since Jan 6, and particularly since the overturning of Roe. Almost like Republican voters are over-represented in polling models...

And both marijuana and abortion rights just made the ballot in Florida for November.

i out of every 3 trump supporters....is just as stupid as the other 2

You should almost never give any believe in what that polls say. I work in the data industry and the polls can be manipulated to come out any way they want. If the poll is sponsored by GOP it will always be positive for them and same for Dems. Even if the poll is conducted by a "independent" news agency it can be made to show what they want. Having had to work on many of the data from polls it is actually hard to get a really good nonbiased poll.

The other side is that in a blue state Biden had a substantial number refuse to vote for him in an essentially unopposed election.

Both sides have flawed candidates.

This is an election of who is the worse candidate, not who is the better.

It still amazes me how we always end up with two losers running for the presidency. I am beginning to wonder if the good smart people are just that too smart to run for a shit job like the presidency.

Sadly it is 80 percent for President Trump. I take very little comfort in 20 percent saying no to what President Trump represents.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The other side is that in a blue state Biden had a substantial number refuse to vote for him in an essentially unopposed election.

Both sides have flawed candidates.

This is an election of who is the worse

candidate, not who is the better.

Wrong. One is flawed. One tried to maintain power he had no right to.

awaiting the kleagle report on like results for biden from last night...

not holding my breath, mind, but awaiting

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
It still amazes me how we always end up with two losers running for the presidency. I am beginning to wonder if the good smart people are just that too smart to run for a shit job like the presidency.

You most likely are correct. This feels a bit like the WWE complete with rabid fans on both sides.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
But every evening at dinner, for a half hour after the meal, I hear on the TV news that Trump is leading in the polls.

And I don't watch FOX.

Could be either one of the elderly gents, but Trump's supporters seem more likely to stay the course regardless...

Had a drink tonight and watched CNN say that as of today Trumpo would win NC and NV. The situation is real. Laughable but real.

He still loses w Biden winning

Michigan,
Wisconsin,
Minnesota,
And 1 EC vote out of Nebraska.

You do not see Dr. Easter complaining about the potential Nebraska rule change which is legal for Nebraska to do.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
He still loses w Biden winning

Michigan,
Wisconsin,
Minnesota,
And 1 EC vote out of Nebraska.

You do not see Dr. Easter complaining about the potential Nebraska rule change which is legal for Nebraska to do.

I think they killed that change in Nebraska.

How bad does he have to be to piss off Karl Fucking Rove?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Rv1...?si=2a5cwWPnk_r7SEmG

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
He still loses w Biden winning

Michigan,
Wisconsin,
Minnesota,
And 1 EC vote out of Nebraska.

You do not see Dr. Easter complaining about the potential Nebraska rule change which is legal for Nebraska to do.

I think they killed that change in Nebraska.

They are trying to get it back on the floor.

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Originally posted by wymple:
How bad does he have to be to piss off Karl Fucking Rove?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Rv1...?si=2a5cwWPnk_r7SEmG

Dr. Easter, Crbutler, and Lavaca need to be made to listen to this.

“A violent attack on a constitutional mandated meeting of Congress to accept the results of the Electoral College.”
“They are not hostages (patriots) they are thugs.”

Why were these thugs present to engage in this violence against pour constitutional process? They were there at the motivation of President Trump, to put force on Pence to decertify the election, stop certification, and keep Presidential Trump in power.

President Trump asked for that violence, and refused to use his due power to stop it.

These thugs no claim to being patriots.

You need to listen to others as well.

Just because I don’t see it as an insurrection (which is not very well defined) or that the screwballs had a chance in he double toothpicks of success doesn’t mean that I think the folks convicted are innocent of what they were convicted of, or that they are patriots.

I don’t consider rioters of any stripe patriotic, especially for rioting over political issues.

I don’t think that Trump has been indicted for sedition, has he?

I agree with you that he didn’t do what his oath of office held him to, but I also don’t think we have been holding anyone to that criminally.

My opinion is that Trump is critically flawed. I’m not voting for him. He’s undeniably done things I don’t accept in the POTUS.

But it’s also a matter of opinion that Biden is critically flawed as well. It’s your and Mike’s contention he’s not. If you want to compare how much more stinky the turd is that is Trump, that’s a different matter. After getting conned into thinking Trump was a reasonable best choice option, and having it blow up in my face, I’m sick of voting against a worse candidate with a bad candidate.

Joe isn’t a kindly old guy who means well. He’s got a long history of being a liberal idiot. He’s got a long history of nepotism and playing favorites. He’s also plain too old to be POTUS even with the medical improvements at extending an active life.

It ain’t zero sum. It isn’t false equivalence. Neither Trump nor Biden are fit for the office. Kamala Harris isn’t fit for the office. I’d be very surprised if Trump picks a decent candidate as VP. RFK jr isn’t fit for the office. I don’t know about his VP pick, but a philanthropist who married money seems unlikely to be qualified.

I’m back to voting for a dead cartoon cat.

I have listened to you equivocate and minimalist Jan 6 and President Trump.

I have listened to you call Jan 6 defendants held unconstitutionally.

well, i was going to make a snarky post - then got pulled down the rabbit hole of re-reading the constitution -
gentlemen, what a work of art, science politics, and forethought this document is

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I agree with you that he didn’t do what his oath of office held him to, but I also don’t think we have been holding anyone to that criminally.

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Okay, I'll bite. So which president did the equivalent of what Trump did?

More accurately, which political figures have gotten away with acts that us in the hoi polloi would be doing time for?

Hillary Clinton. David Petraeus, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and Colin Powell all have violated security rules that would get an enlisted man in a long stint at Leavenworth.

I’m sure you can think of others.

Point is that voting for someone the bar should be higher than just they haven’t been found guilty of a crime.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have listened to you equivocate and minimalist Jan 6 and President Trump.

I have listened to you call Jan 6 defendants held unconstitutionally.

If you call it minimizing that I don’t buy your it’s the end of the republic and we need to accept Biden the crappy candidate just because he isn’t Trump, yes I guess I’m minimizing. I voted for Trump because I thought HRC was worse. I voted for trump because I thought Biden was worse.

Now that I think Trump is horrible, it has t changed my mind that Biden suddenly is worth voting for.

I do think that a timely trial as put inthe constitution is good. It’s supposed to be timely not only to protect the accused, but also for law and order.

I’m not at all happy that Trump is putting off the trials until after the election. Even if it’s not a defense strategy to nullify a crime by getting in office and giving himself some immunity, it’s still not right.

And there is an old Chinese proverb about there being nothing new under heaven. Grant had a pretty awful group of hangers on. Harding was pretty corrupt. Gore started lawfare about election results. Look up Andrew Jackson. How about any of the last 3-4 presidents before Lincoln?

Sure Trump has done some elements that are different, and one can argue worse well enough.

But when your moral argument against voting for Trump is in effect, vote against the worse candidate, you are voting for Biden for the same reason I erroneously voted for Trump in the first place.

Look at the whole Clinton foundation and Hati. Do you really want that group of ineptizoids in charge of a lemonade stand let alone the USG?

Leaving Trump out of it, are HRC or Biden good? IMO, no.