This guy needs psychiatric help.

https://www.reddit.com/r/inter...ex_jones_crying_lol/

Play stupid games and pay big money for your stupidity. I listened to this clown 1 time for about 3 minutes, turned him off and have not listened to him again. Reminds me of Jimmy Swaggert, blubbering for money. Crooks both of them.

Crisis Actor wearing an $8,000 watch.

"we gotta stop these people"

What people is he talking about? I presume those holding him accountable.

He is another case of no remorse, no shame for his actions, always projecting out psyco, always playing the victim.

We gotta stop these people is right. The tools for that are in the rule of law which is the very thing people like Jones and Trump want to either weaponize or crush or both.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...23j?ocid=socialshare

Donald Trump allies and right-wing figures such as Steve Bannon and Alex Jones are now being held accountable by the legal system.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...2dc2e815349151&ei=32

The guy is literally drooling on himself....

How bad can this chit get?

Well, before it's over, or when it's over and we can't be sure yet, Trump will be literally drooling on himself too.

And still half the country will have no acknowledgment, remorse, shame for the damage done in the meantime.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
This guy needs psychiatric help

The first time I heard this idiot was in like 2009, I was teaching an internet working class in Austin, and I was driving to the training room, and heard this lunatic. I thought, for the first minute or so I thought it was a satire routine mocking all crazies... and then it went on, and there was an even more degrainged survival food ad.

And then jonea came back on, and your quote was exactly what I thought ... this dude is unhinged

You know, don't you, that he most likely has not received a dime from liberals.

https://nymag.com/intelligence...ones-make-money.html

His money comes from a sub-group, among many, of far-right nutz.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...922ebf4496173&ei=164

See how Alex Jones spent days leading up to court hearing to liquidate his personal assets

A Texas bankruptcy court judge has approved the liquidation of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ personal assets, setting the stage for repayment to the families of Sandy Hook shooting victims.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a24f6a4426192b&ei=18

Alex Jones Lost Everything—And Still Won
Opinion by Ali Breland • 5h • 6 min read

(excerpts)

He was on his way into a Houston courthouse as part of the ongoing saga over lies he told about the Sandy Hook school shooting. After six years of litigation, Jones owes $1.5 billion in defamation damages. The “FBI and CIA” had fabricated the charges against him, Jones explained, in his famously gravelly voice, to the half dozen or so cameramen in front of him. The agencies had organized a “deep-state operation against the American people,” he said, wiping the sweat off his head in the Houston heat. “This is a very, very exciting time to be alive.”
Apparently, the omnipotent FBI and CIA failed in their ultimate goal of thwarting Jones. The judge directed Jones to sell off his personal assets in order to pay up, but he spared Infowars. Right now the media network sits in purgatory: It will keep operating for the time being, but in future legal proceedings, Infowars could be liquidated to help Jones pay the damages. With all the money Jones owes, it’s not clear how much longer he can keep hold of his most treasured asset.

But the reality is that it doesn’t matter much if Infowars is shut down. Over the past three decades of his broadcast career, Jones helped pioneer an entire mode of conspiratorial thinking that is now dominant in pockets of the right. It will live on even if Infowars doesn’t.
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But if there was a single inflection point that represented Jones’s shift from a libertarian free agent to someone explicitly fighting for right-wing causes, it was also the thing that now promises to be his undoing: Sandy Hook. After the tragic 2012 shooting in which 20 children and six adults were killed at a Connecticut elementary school, Jones skipped the moment of national grieving and went straight to conspiracy theorizing. The shooting was a hoax, he said, and the victims and their grieving families were “crisis actors” who were working for the gun-control lobby. Jones never provided proof for his claims but kept repeating them anyway, exposing victims’ family members to harassment and death threats. In 2018, the same year that the families sued Jones for defamation, he was also banned from nearly every major tech platform, in part because of the Sandy Hook abuse.
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Jones’s own arc tracked neatly with the trajectory of the world around him. As he evolved, the mainstream right began to trade in conspiracy theories in a more explicit way than it had in decades. You can see the residue of this on the arc of the modern conspiracy movement. A space previously occupied by sometimes-lovable kooks became a theater in a vicious culture war. Jones’s conspiracy forerunners of the 1980s and ’90s, such as Art Bell and George Knapp, focused on UFOs and the paranormal. Occasionally, they also discussed the government, but with less political intensity.

As Jones ascended, he started having less in common with the likes of Bell and Knapp and more in common with incendiary right-wing commentators such as Rush Limbaugh. It’s hard to know if Jones influenced this trajectory or simply understood the direction it was going in before everyone else did, and ran in front of it. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Suggesting that events are hoaxes carried out by left-wing operators is now standard language in parts of the right, both among elected officials and among their supporters. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene supported unfounded theories that the Parkland school shooting was a “false flag.” Earlier this month, she posted a picture on Instagram of herself with Jones, accompanied by the caption “I stand with Alex Jones!” After the 2022 elementary-school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, Representative Paul Gosar falsely claimed that the shooter was a “transsexual leftist illegal alien.”

Even if Infowars is shut down, this kind of conspiracism is not going away. Politicians and right-wing-media figures will probably keep making “false flag” claims and attempting to explain away inconvenient truths with unverified conspiracy theories. The thing that took Jones down—not just his Sandy Hook defamation but also his use of conspiracy theories as a political cudgel—is the clearest example of what his legacy will be.

A headline on one internet story was simply "Judge orders Alex Jones dissolved", which prompted great fun speculating about the best way to dissolve such a large piece of shit...

Actually it is a very stupid judgment!

Billions because he said it did not happen??

How many of us deny things happening here every day!?

Seems to me that if you are going to engage in lying for profit, those profits should be able to be garnished in order to provide restitution for those that you wronged.

This will never be an issue for me, I don't engage in lying for profit.

Yea, Saeed. You are right.

For example, I deny that you got it straight, the whole guacamole.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Actually it is a very stupid judgment!

Billions because he said it did not happen??

How many of us deny things happening here every day!?

Saeed, you have some very crappy takes on here, which I generally assume are just shit-stirring for amusement, but if you had ever listened to this lying tub of lard for an hour you would support the bankruptcy court imposing the death penalty. Literally.

In no way is the world better off because Alex Jones lives.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Seems to me that if you are going to engage in lying for profit, those profits should be able to be garnished in order to provide restitution for those that you wronged.

This will never be an issue for me, I don't engage in lying for profit.

It's an interesting thing - the kind of thinking, the creativity perhaps, the mental gymnastics that people like Jones, Limbaugh, Beck, Carlson exhibit.

I wonder if sometimes, if not every time, they don't know they are lying. I mean that if someone constantly engages in the mental activity of spinning, alt-reality, lie mongering, it seems to me that such person would soon get to the point where they really don't know fiction from reality. We know they don't care about that distinction. They have clearly decided that fiction is more valuable than reality.

That's not an excuse or reason for forgiveness, of course. The harm is still intentional.

Put another way, it seems to me that the kind of stuff people like those mentioned spew takes a lot of effort to dream up. I think it takes training and time because I also think it doesn't come naturally but becomes naturally.

I say that because I know it takes a lot of effort to favor reality over fiction, and sort it out.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Actually it is a very stupid judgment!

Billions because he said it did not happen??

How many of us deny things happening here every day!?

Saeed, you have some very crappy takes on here, which I generally assume are just shit-stirring for amusement, but if you had ever listenedd to this lying tub of lard for an hour you would support the bankruptcy court imposing the death penalty. Literally.

In no way is the world better off because Alex Jones lives.

Trump, and other politicians, lie and deny non stop!

And you silly lot worship them!

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Saeed, you have some very crappy takes on here, which I generally assume are just shit-stirring for amusement

The "worship" claim gives it away.

Some small percentage may worship Trump.

The real question; is the world better off because of Trump, (and Jones, etc.) his lies and denials, and belief (believers) thereof?

After thinking about the question, a little more, the answer could be yes.

Suppose in the next election, democrats win by landslide, POTUS, Congress, states, etc. all from Trumpism backlash.

The EPA restored to full function, as well as the other agencies.

The war in Ukraine and Gaza resolved and restoration begins.

Ties to allies strengthened.

The border "crisis" resolved by meaningful legislation.

The GOP splits, far-right / reasonably-right.

And so forth. Too many good things to list could come from Trumpism backlash.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Seems to me that if you are going to engage in lying for profit, those profits should be able to be garnished in order to provide restitution for those that you wronged.

This will never be an issue for me, I don't engage in lying for profit.

So, every movie, song, and fiction book are literally "lying for profit"..

Not in defense of jones, rather defense of the first. In jones case, there is malicious intent

Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Seems to me that if you are going to engage in lying for profit, those profits should be able to be garnished in order to provide restitution for those that you wronged.

This will never be an issue for me, I don't engage in lying for profit.

So, every movie, song, and fiction book are literally "lying for profit"..

Not in defense of jones, rather defense of the first. In jones case, there is malicious intent

I think you are muddying it up on purpose, jeffee.

I think Jone's repeated claims, double-downed, of crisis actors and such, long after he knew or should have known he was lying, from the platform he had, is not afforded constitutional protection under the 1st, by precedent, due to the extenuating circumstances of the events.

Your analogy of movie, song, book is false equivalence, and you know it.

Here's a video/movie and trailer and an article about lies, disinformation, and misrepresentations that are protected by the 1st.

The lies are nonetheless harmful, loathsome, with intent to deceive, and it's a continuation of the same for a long time, assisted by many. It's Trump's "American Carnage" myth story.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/front...ps-american-carnage/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7972b5f26c95a6&ei=81

The Most Dangerous Bias in Today’s America
Story by David Frum • 1h • 3 min read

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
This guy needs psychiatric help.

https://www.reddit.com/r/inter...ex_jones_crying_lol/

Maybe Medicare will pay for it. On the other hand, it's a natural reaction when your whole life goes down the toilet over a little bit of stupid. Some people should be depressed, their life has gone to shit. Not a chemistry problem.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Seems to me that if you are going to engage in lying for profit, those profits should be able to be garnished in order to provide restitution for those that you wronged.

This will never be an issue for me, I don't engage in lying for profit.

So, every movie, song, and fiction book are literally "lying for profit"..

Not in defense of jones, rather defense of the first. In jones case, there is malicious intent

Info Wars and Jones continual lying about a factual event is hardly the same as composing a song about your mother being run over by a train on the day she got out of prison. While neither is true, one of them is a lie, the other a work of fiction. I have a feeling you know the difference between the two, I do.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

Never got past the headlines, Saeed? McDonalds made their coffee exceedingly hot on purpose, the idea being that because of cooling time involved they would save millions on refills. People had been burned before, they were aware of the problem, and this old lady was burned badly. They reaped what they sowed.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
In jones case, there is malicious intent

I know Reading can be hard. Please read what *i* wrote, not what you read.

The case jones lost wasn't about 1a or lying, and the case ruling was right

A defamation case is a first amendment case.

Defamation and the limitations found on defamation’s actions such as public figures and actual malice doctrines are designed to prevent infringement on the 1st Amendment.

Jones targeting the parents who were not public figures required showing only dishonest statements that were published. The parents had to prove the special damages after liability.

You do not have to show malice in a Defamation action when the plaintiff is not a public figure. Caselaw is clear the defaming source cannot make the plaintiff a public figure through the defamatory public statements.

All defamation cases touch the 1st Amendment. Defamation is a recognized limitation upon the 1st Amendment. The old maximum is true being no right is absolute.

A movie could be defamatory.

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Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

Never got past the headlines, Saeed? McDonalds made their coffee exceedingly hot on purpose, the idea being that because of cooling time involved they would save millions on refills. People had been burned before, they were aware of the problem, and this old lady was burned badly. They reaped what they sowed.

The CEO testified they did an internal analysis that c amount of people would be burned by the practice. He testified that the profit was worth it.

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Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

Never got past the headlines, Saeed? McDonalds made their coffee exceedingly hot on purpose, the idea being that because of cooling time involved they would save millions on refills. People had been burned before, they were aware of the problem, and this old lady was burned badly. They reaped what they sowed.

Saeed's misinformation on this story is why literally every jury panel in the United States gets voir dired on the issue in a personal injury case.

And, literally all of them...after they hear the true facts surrounding the case....agree with the award against McDonald's.

All this will be lost on Saeed.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

Never got past the headlines, Saeed? McDonalds made their coffee exceedingly hot on purpose, the idea being that because of cooling time involved they would save millions on refills. People had been burned before, they were aware of the problem, and this old lady was burned badly. They reaped what they sowed.

Saeed's misinformation on this story is why literally every jury panel in the United States gets voir dired on the issue in a personal injury case.

And, literally all of them...after they hear the true facts surrounding the case....agree with the award against McDonald's.

All this will be lost on Saeed.

Saeed has such a massive inferiority complex about his little sandy shithole that he delights in anything, true or not, to shitpost about the only superpower on the planet.

Always good to see folks punished for being liars. Alex Jones over Sandy Hook. Trump for lying to lenders. They both lied for years, started to believe their lies carried no consequences and had to be bitch slapped back to reality.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Stupid American legal system.

Paying a stupid woman so much money because she didn’t have enough brains not to spill McDonald in herself!

Never got past the headlines, Saeed? McDonalds made their coffee exceedingly hot on purpose, the idea being that because of cooling time involved they would save millions on refills. People had been burned before, they were aware of the problem, and this old lady was burned badly. They reaped what they sowed.

Saeed's misinformation on this story is why literally every jury panel in the United States gets voir dired on the issue in a personal injury case.

And, literally all of them...after they hear the true facts surrounding the case....agree with the award against McDonald's.

All this will be lost on Saeed.

Saeed has such a massive inferiority complex about his little sandy shithole that he delights in anything, true or not, to shitpost about the only superpower on the planet.

Very true.

And PROUD of it.

I will let you sorry lot feel superior!

Getting your sorry arse handed to you by Stone Age Cave Dwellers!??

Rice paddy farmers?

Carry on.

On, you are choosing between a deranged geriatric and a career criminal to rule you.

Wonderful!