Shows that the "crisis" bullshit is a political ploy to begin with.

No it is very real but Pedo Joe trying to do something about it in an election year when he has done nothing in 3 years is the cheap political ploy. Maybe you should volunteer to house some of these new immigrants in your home. That would be incredibly magnanimous on your part. How about it? Put your money where your mouth is?

When is someone going to file pedophilia charges against President Biden?

What was GOP excuse in 2026-2018. Oh, too busy.

We have a deal that can pass today to blunt the follow of fentanyl and migrants.

Bluefish says no to that deal is okay bc it is an election year.

Ride that brand right off a cliff.

I say no to that deal smart guy because it continues the fraudulent aid scheme to Ukraine where we have had practically zero ability to trace funds. So yeah you and your ilk can kiss my ass.

If it wasn't the money to bitch about, you would use tracing of weapons as an excuse.

After all, isn't the southern border and Ukraine funding two different things.

Why are they tied-up together in congress?

A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

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I say no to that deal smart guy because it continues the fraudulent aid scheme to Ukraine where we have had practically zero ability to trace funds. So yeah you and your ilk can kiss my ass.

We are not sending funds, we were sending missiles and ammo and could trace them directly onto Russian targets.

Romney's take.....the last sane republican.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) on Thursday took aim at former President Trump for pushing Republican lawmakers to oppose a border deal so that he could use the issue to campaign against President Biden in the 2024 presidential election.

Romney told CNN’s Manu Raju he thought it was “really appalling” that Trump would try to prevent progress on addressing the surge in migration at the southern border.


“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump,” Romney said. “And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is really appalling.”

“But the reality is that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border, and someone running for president ought to try to get the problem solved as opposed to saying, ‘Hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later,’” Romney continued.

Romney’s remarks come after weeks of negotiations on a potential legislative package that addresses border security and provides funding for Ukraine and other allies. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and his allies have warned that Republicans are unlikely to get a similar deal at any other moment, even if Trump wins reelection.

But Trump’s influence looms large over the party, especially among House conservatives, and the prospects for getting the deal through Congress with sufficient GOP support looks increasingly unlikely.

Last week, Trump made his position clear on social media, when he wrote, “I do not think we should do a Border Deal, at all, unless we get EVERYTHING needed to shut down the INVASION of Millions & Millions of people.”

McConnell on Wednesday floated the possibility of splitting the national security package, noting border security reforms now increasingly look unlikely to pass.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...9ced3f658531bb&ei=20

Mitch McConnell Under Fire After Reported Trump-Driven Flip on Border Bill
Story by Ewan Palmer • 2h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c81afe346f41f8&ei=39

Sen. Romney calls Trump's efforts to stop border resolution 'appalling'

Utah Republican Senator Mitt Romney fired back on former President Donald Trump's efforts to stop a bipartisan Senate deal to pair border enforcement measures and Ukraine. (Jan. 25)

Not according to the Council on Foreign Relations.

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Not according to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Link

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

Yep, and Nixon's who sabotaged peace talks to keep Vietnam going.

Republicans have no morals or ethics, which is why they shout so loud about them.

I thought the senate passed a plan and it was the house holding things up?

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Originally posted by TomP:

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

Double yep. The party of Lincoln ran amuck with Goldwater, then further amuck with Nixon, then Reagan, then Bush one and two, now it's the amuck of Trump. Gawd help us.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

Carter, the sitting president, was foiled by the GOP Nominee? see how dumb that sounds when you say it out loud - That Reagan and team could keep Iran to keep hostages for 444 days? dude, I didn't know a pre-nominee (reagan wasn't nominee for all 444 days) wielded such power .. almost like it's historical fantasy /revision ..

That's the point Jeffee.

The Reagan team cut a deal, BEFORE THEY HAD THE AUTHORITY, with the hostage holders. They undermined Carter.

It was a done deal, Carter's team worked hard at it, but then they (Reagan's team) worked a deal to intentionally postpone specifically for political advantage. In exchange for what?

It was similar with Flynn and Manafort cutting a deal with Russia, but of far more significance.

I know that it is still classified as a "Theory"
but there is plenty of evidence.

I choose to go beyond the notion that it's a conspiracy theory, primarily because of the timing, and because I'm as entitled to a good, solid conspiracy theory as any.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ober_Surprise_theory

Iran hostage crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ober_Surprise_theory

1980 October Surprise theory

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

Carter, the sitting president, was foiled by the GOP Nominee? see how dumb that sounds when you say it out loud - That Reagan and team could keep Iran to keep hostages for 444 days? dude, I didn't know a pre-nominee (reagan wasn't nominee for all 444 days) wielded such power .. almost like it's historical fantasy /revision ..

Dude, President Trump and his minions in the House have decreed the deal. President Trunp’s team called Sen McConnell to back away from the deal. Sen. McConnell is now talking about splitting the deal which will doom it, and everyone knows it.

President Trump and the Christian Nationalists, Freedom Caucus types have decried the deal, and its passage is in jeopardy.

What may have happened w Carter and Reagan has nothing to do with it.

The Speaker said he would not have a vote.



https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/0...t-matters/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...der-deal-jordan-says

https://www.usatoday.com/story...roposal/72259428007/


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0...rder-deal-trump.html

Never, never let it be said that the GOP, as a whole, consider or tried to work to address the border.

President Trumps is the nominee (to be crowned). He is the biggest swing rooster in the GOP henhouse.

I do not like it, and I know you do not. That changes nothing.

President Trump in NH, his worst state demographically, got 75 percent of the GOP vote. That is 75 percent. His path only gets easier.

When Sen. McConnell calls him the nominee. He is.

We created this. Some of us, I, made excuses for him. Some of us embraced him and parroted his lies. Now, within the GOP, those lies have become truth.

He and what he represents needed to be banished from the GOP. As I have argued with case law previously, President Trump in his ilk have no right to be nominated by the GOP. We let him and them off the hook.

We will now live w the consequences. Those consequences will be more Democrats elected which has happened. Or President Trump being re-elected. There is no comparison between President Biden being re-elected and President Trump being re-elected, along with GOPers like him, in terms of harm.

For Bill Clinton it was this slogan:

"It's the economy, stupid"

For Biden it's this:

It's the corruption, stupid.

The permitting a state to defy the Constitution is the same logic as allowing individuals to defy the Constitution over the outcome of the election.

This has the makings of being the Nullification Crisis all over again. Something we put to bed in the late 1830s and 1960s.

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Nullification Crisis

I had to look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_crisis

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...43b0417fda3e4&ei=107

Republicans Flail On Bipartisan Border Deal After Trump Orders Them To Reject It
Story by Jennifer Bendery, Igor Bobic •
5h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...ocid=socialshare&t=9

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...90fc6655b68f4e&ei=35

McConnell, Senate GOP Struggle to Save Border Deal Defying Trump
Story by Erik Wasson, Ellen M. Gilmer and Billy House •
21h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...id=socialshare&t=248

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...XId?ocid=socialshare

There's several more videos on this topic, scroll down from the first link. Some are from Fox spin.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
A deal that helps blunt Russian Russian Aggression. Yep, you are the Party of Reagan.

Glad to see helping Putin is more important to you than blunting the border crisis. Must not be that bad to you.

Wasn't it Reagan's guys who held up the release of the Iranian hostages, to get elected over President Carter?

Carter, the sitting president, was foiled by the GOP Nominee? see how dumb that sounds when you say it out loud - That Reagan and team could keep Iran to keep hostages for 444 days? dude, I didn't know a pre-nominee (reagan wasn't nominee for all 444 days) wielded such power .. almost like it's historical fantasy /revision ..

October Surprise. Who knows but a lot of people believe it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...2C%20the%20incumbent.

Repugs show again and again how they keep wanting a border disaster.

They really do hate America

https://youtu.be/pIXD7qfdwV4?si=QwnbZPILrdyMSaOr

PBS Newshour

Capehart and Johnson on immigration, Trump's defamation case

https://youtu.be/vJwom3uYyV8?si=lTD5dGiam7Kczf36

Five Biggest Border Lies Debunked | Robert Reich

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...cf09782ffdb5da&ei=15

The GOP’s Submission to Trump Reveals the True Agenda of MAGA
Story by Nathan Hale •
9h

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...cid=socialshare&t=86

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...8c74e771eb993d&ei=86

Is Congress Really Going to Abandon Ukraine Now?

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...8c74e771eb993d&ei=86

Is Congress Really Going to Abandon Ukraine Now?

Trump has been doing Putin's bidding on Ukraine since he insisted there be no position included in the 2016 Republican platform.

0biden does not need help from Trump on the border situation at all. Everyone with half a brain can see what's happening. It will take them to get tired of being taxed to pay for other people. Maybe they will realize, someday, their paycheck should pay for their own expenses?

Similarly, paying for other people to have a so-called college education isn't much better than paying the expenses of millions of illegals either.

Oh, or funding foreign countries to have THEIR border protected by our military might. Oops!

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0biden does not need help from Trump on the border situation at all. Everyone with half a brain can see what's happening. It will take them to get tired of being taxed to pay for other people. Maybe they will realize, someday, their paycheck should pay for their own expenses?

Similarly, paying for other people to have a so-called college education isn't much better than paying the expenses of millions of illegals either.

Oh, or funding foreign countries to have THEIR border protected by our military might. Oops!

If "half a brain" is the standard it explains why you have so much to say, albeit wrong.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
0biden does not need help from Trump on the border situation at all. Everyone with half a brain can see what's happening. It will take them to get tired of being taxed to pay for other people. Maybe they will realize, someday, their paycheck should pay for their own expenses?

Similarly, paying for other people to have a so-called college education isn't much better than paying the expenses of millions of illegals either.

Oh, or funding foreign countries to have THEIR border protected by our military might. Oops!

If "half a brain" is the standard it explains why you have so much to say, albeit wrong.

The govt doesn't get money from trees. While you have no problem spending other people's money for utterly stupid political issues that qualifies you for a no brainer.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
0biden does not need help from Trump on the border situation at all. Everyone with half a brain can see what's happening. It will take them to get tired of being taxed to pay for other people. Maybe they will realize, someday, their paycheck should pay for their own expenses?

Similarly, paying for other people to have a so-called college education isn't much better than paying the expenses of millions of illegals either.

Oh, or funding foreign countries to have THEIR border protected by our military might. Oops!

If "half a brain" is the standard it explains why you have so much to say, albeit wrong.

The govt doesn't get money from trees. While you have no problem spending other people's money for utterly stupid political issues that qualifies you for a no brainer.

The President doesn't need anything from Trump but for him to continue to drive away voters with his incoherence and criminality, but he does need the authorities and resources in the bipartisan Senate bill.

Know how many of President Biden's senior people are felons?

Know how many of President Biden's campaign people are convicted pedophiles?

Now, they want to kill the new piece of legislation that adress concerns over asylum.

The few GOP who want to find a solution and the Dems who recognize that priorities demand a response including aid to Ukraine and Israel are being blocked by President Trump and a Maga who have a minority to control a 4 seat majority.

Just do not tell me how Right GOPers recognize and want to resolve the crisis at the border.

Let us make it simpler. Name me one piece of noteworthy legislation the GOP House has passed to the Senate? Spending deals by and through Dem votes notwithstanding

Now, there ante enough votes through Dems to pass the legislation. The problem is the Speaker knows that if he allows the bill to be voted on, the bill will pass with Dem votes. However, the far right will move w one vote to vacate him. President Trump’s machine or the machine behind President Trump will primary him.

It is the Hastert rule on play.