You know, that old "The Federal government is in charge of borders" thing...

That was fast. Faster than I even expected.

I would caution, that decision merely removes an injunction put in place by the 5th Circuit.

The controlling matter is still pending before the 5th Circuit. The dispositive issue remains unresolved.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/0...azor-wire/index.html

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That was fast. Faster than I even expected.

They vacated the Stay from the 5th Circuit, Barrett and Roberts joined the sane Justices.

Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That was fast. Faster than I even expected.

They vacated the Stay from the 5th Circuit, Barrett and Roberts joined the sane Justices.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

The Constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact.

We are a broken Republic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3YLC-aVOQ

No open borders… riiight.

I live down here. You are clueless how bad this is

https://www.jackkurtzphotograp...age/I0000npFpvVXbGLo

https://www.tucsonweekly.com/t.../Content?oid=1168857

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3YLC-aVOQ

No open borders… riiight.

I live down here. You are clueless how bad this is

https://www.jackkurtzphotograp...age/I0000npFpvVXbGLo

I know it's not bad enough for Republicans to give the President the resources he's asked for to deal with it.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3YLC-aVOQ

No open borders… riiight.

I live down here. You are clueless how bad this is

https://www.jackkurtzphotograp...age/I0000npFpvVXbGLo

I know it's not bad enough for Republicans to give the President the resources he's asked for to deal with it.

You continue to revert to partisan politics.
The border bill the President asked for does nothing about the flow of illegal immigrants. The agents are there to aid in processing the immigrants AFTER they’ve crossed.

I’ll bet you’ve never been out enjoying the Tennessee outdoors and ran into a bunch of migrants led by a smuggler, or having to move because the restaurants around your home no longer speak English. Or cars driven by migrants whom aren’t required to follow the same laws to carry auto insurance that I do.

The smash into your car, they are questioned by the responding officer and are let go. the officer just looks at me and says, I have no other recourse sir, I’m sorry.

You will though.it’s just time.

To add, the bill allows 5,000 a day. That means unlimited.

For Biden to request funding to fix a border that he broke is disingenuous. While not perfect, the flow was 60-75% less than today, find supporting data in link.

You need to stop, my guy vs your guy and come to realize it is YOUR country and MY country that is being invaded by god knows who. Again, find supporting data in link.

At this point I don’t care who gets blamed or who takes the credit, we are being overrun.

Over 300,000 in December alone.

https://www.pewresearch.org/sh...-border-in-7-charts/

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

The Constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact.

We are a broken Republic.

Actually, there is caselaw that says, “ We thrive together or fail together.” This is in Dormant Commerce Clause decisions. Then we have a Supreme Court case that declares secession unconstitutional.

It is not the destruction of the Republic to prevent a state for taking for itself authority we, through the Constitution, granted to the General Government.

A state cannot be permitted to defy the Constitution.

I have no issue w the President changing course on the border by asking for what if he were a GOP president you would be congratulating him over.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

The Constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact.

We are a broken Republic.

Actually, there is caselaw that says, “ We thrive together or fail together.” This is in Dormant Commerce Clause decisions. Then we have a Supreme Court case that declares secession unconstitutional.

It is not the destruction of the Republic to prevent a state for taking for itself authority we, through the Constitution, granted to the General Government.

A state cannot be permitted to defy the Constitution.

I have no issue w the President changing course on the border by asking for what if he were a GOP president you would be congratulating him over.

Doesn’t the Executive Branch have responsibility to our borders ultimately?

And if he is derelict to those responsibilities, what then?

Are we as Americans to simply allow 10-15 million to cross? How about if it were 30 million?

You still want to essentially obfuscate the border into a regulatory administrative battle?

You live where, I’m not sure. I live at ground zero, so does Lane. It is affecting absolutely every aspect of my life.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi3YLC-aVOQ

No open borders… riiight.

I live down here. You are clueless how bad this is

https://www.jackkurtzphotograp...age/I0000npFpvVXbGLo

I know it's not bad enough for Republicans to give the President the resources he's asked for to deal with it.

You continue to revert to partisan politics.
The border bill the President asked for does nothing about the flow of illegal immigrants. The agents are there to aid in processing the immigrants AFTER they’ve crossed.

I’ll bet you’ve never been out enjoying the Tennessee outdoors and ran into a bunch of migrants led by a smuggler, or having to move because the restaurants around your home no longer speak English. Or cars driven by migrants whom aren’t required to follow the same laws to carry auto insurance that I do.

The smash into your car, they are questioned by the responding officer and are let go. the officer just looks at me and says, I have no other recourse sir, I’m sorry.

You will though.it’s just time.

To add, the bill allows 5,000 a day. That means unlimited.

Yes, "processing" their claims for asylum, which the Law grants them. The additional Asylum Officers and Immigration Judges would speed up determining which claims are legitimate and deporting the rest.

Those claims that aren’t legitimate could be bussed to CA. Then they could get a drivers license, free healthcare, and a host of other CA largesse.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

The Constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact.

We are a broken Republic.

Actually, there is caselaw that says, “ We thrive together or fail together.” This is in Dormant Commerce Clause decisions. Then we have a Supreme Court case that declares secession unconstitutional.

It is not the destruction of the Republic to prevent a state for taking for itself authority we, through the Constitution, granted to the General Government.

A state cannot be permitted to defy the Constitution.

I have no issue w the President changing course on the border by asking for what if he were a GOP president you would be congratulating him over.

Doesn’t the Executive Branch have responsibility to our borders ultimately?

And if he is derelict to those responsibilities, what then?

Are we as Americans to simply allow 10-15 million to cross? How about if it were 30 million?

You still want to essentially obfuscate the border into a regulatory administrative battle?

You live where, I’m not sure. I live at ground zero, so does Lane. It is affecting absolutely every aspect of my life.

Frankly, it does not matter where you live. What matters is what power has been given by the Constitution to the Federal Government to the exclusion of the states. Texas is no more a state to Maine. Nothing is gained by allowing a state to defy the Federal Government when the Constitution has granted authority exclusively to the the Fed Government.

Of you do not like how a President is running the border your options are:
A) Pass a Fed Law;
B) Vote for someone else;
Or
C) Impeach him.

If you do not have the votes to do either, then government is working legitimately through the Constitution.

I will say it again for you and everyone else, the Federal Government cannot permit a state to defy the Constitution.

You may not like the discretion the Federal Chief Magistrate is exercising. That is fair. See the 3 above options. If you can’t win any of those that does not equate to a broken Republic. We get what we vote for. It is legitimate so long as the Constitution is followed.

Hence, a few of us say here bad policy from the point of view of some is not unconstitutional. It takes more then just, “ I do not like it.”

Impeachment is a political process.
See ( Walter) Nixon v United States and the impeachment of President Johnson. President Johnson was impeached and saved from conviction in the Senate by 1 vote. His fault, the application of pardon and clemency power granted to him by the Constitution to ex confederates. Thus, I conclude Congress could impeach a president for using his delegated, constitutional discretion. I would never vote to do it.

Guess what, you do not have the votes. Votes to help the situation through legislation are being denied by the GOP right. That is Pure fact.

Open border shows exactly how absolutely idiotic Democrats thinking is

Whether you like it or not.

The Federal government IS in charge of the borsers!

I'm glad there's the Canadian border between America and me.


Anyway, I think it's good Abbot brings attention to the border with his theatrics which I think is the point.
The gargantuan jackass's that purport to be "sanctuary cities" need those bus loads of wetbacks. If The United States won't secure the border at Texas it makes sense for Abbott to illuminate.

This stupidity gets brushed aside with catch phrases like "migrants" and "asylum". Our border is open and God forbid more evil uses it to attack us.

Close the border! Good God. Let all the good ones thru, stop the Cartels, MS13 and the Taliban dirty bombs.

New England and Oregon need to be woken up to the reality.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...XWA?ocid=socialshare

GOP's ultimate PSYOP: Terrifying immigration propaganda while blocking immigration reform

Donald Trump and House Republicans have declared that there is an immigration “crisis," but are refusing to consider realistic reforms, or a compromise with Democrats.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Be interesting to see if Abbott instructs the Texas National Guard and the DPS to stand down and allow the BP access.

Nothing would surprise me at this point.

If I lived at the White House if they interfered I'd roll out my old unit.

The First Cav is just up the road...

Not sure I understand. You would roll the 1st into Texas?

They are already in Texas, I'd send them to remove the illegal barriers.

Yea, get that. So you would roll the military against TNG and DPS to enforce open borders?

Interesting if you really think about what you’re advocating. You’d defend the illegals right to cross, undeterred with lethal force, against your brothers.

Don’t obfuscate this. You either are or you aren’t

I would use the military to defend the Constitution.

There IS no "open border" and I don't know anyone who advocates for one.

The Constitution was never intended to be a suicide pact.

We are a broken Republic.

Actually, there is caselaw that says, “ We thrive together or fail together.” This is in Dormant Commerce Clause decisions. Then we have a Supreme Court case that declares secession unconstitutional.

It is not the destruction of the Republic to prevent a state for taking for itself authority we, through the Constitution, granted to the General Government.

A state cannot be permitted to defy the Constitution.

I have no issue w the President changing course on the border by asking for what if he were a GOP president you would be congratulating him over.

Doesn’t the Executive Branch have responsibility to our borders ultimately?

And if he is derelict to those responsibilities, what then?

Are we as Americans to simply allow 10-15 million to cross? How about if it were 30 million?

You still want to essentially obfuscate the border into a regulatory administrative battle?

You live where, I’m not sure. I live at ground zero, so does Lane. It is affecting absolutely every aspect of my life.

It's affecting every aspect of your life?

If it is such an out of control, cannot be solved threat, then the border states should be able to convince enough states to bring a Constitutional Convention to amend the Constitution allowing the border states to regulate migration.

See why a handful of patch work states cannot set border, migration policy? It is a Federal Issue.

The Texas GOP whackos want the state to ignore the SCOTUS ruling.

Truly, where does the crazy end? Dangerous stuff.

https://www.houstonchronicle.c...e-court-18623608.php

Would it not be legitimate for a state to establish a state border, on state land, a mile inside the national border? Could that state not then disallow free movement of unpapered migrants? I'm just asking. Instead of immigrating through Texas, for instance, they could choose to go through California, which will open their arms and homes to them. Regards, Bill.

The problem is that much of that land is privately owned ranch land.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Would it not be legitimate for a state to establish a state border, on state land, a mile inside the national border? Could that state not then disallow free movement of unpapered migrants? I'm just asking. Instead of immigrating through Texas, for instance, they could choose to go through California, which will open their arms and homes to them. Regards, Bill.

As I understand it, the USC&BP by authority of the Federal Government, is in charge of not only the physical border between countries, but also the area 100 air miles from the border referred to as the "100-mile zone"


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