The Signal accounts were the go to encrypted vehicle for the Biden administration. The CIA used it. Congress used it. A until-then-trusted mole breached his sworn duty to embarrass Trump, because as many around here feel is okay, if the ends get rid of Trump, the mess are always justified. It’s the religious duty.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No apology, no consequences, and no accountability.

You know this is wrong and resignations are the least that should happen.

They do not have to be in on you. As a lawyer you break confidentiality, does it matter your client knew? No.


These people places on an open, unsecured app they were told not to use specific US battle plans while one of them stood in Russia.

You are sufficiently intelligent to know the da r this information was not a red on means nothing.

. . . ah, the other side is stupid so we can be stupid too excuse. If having TDS is dangerous, so is being an apologist.

That’s interesting- that the previous administration was using it.

That the CIA at some level was using it is kind of meh to me. Certainly something like signal, WhatsApp or such has a place…

But I thought the argument was that this was a contravention of the government records rules. If so, and Biden was using it as well, I again reiterate that the particular law in question should be looked at.

Heyms original ranting was that Hegseth was not experienced. He refuses to say if he called for austin to be fired. He refuses to say if a 4 star sneaking off and leaving no-one in charge or telling the CIC is experience showing through.
I already said fire Hegseth and Austin should have been when it happened. You will not say it, after calling out others here.

No, I did not. The man is allowed to be sick. However, leaving the Defense Department w no protocol, command structure as you state, I agree with you.

Now, I do not know if that is true. I find it hard to believe the Defense Department does not have contingency for a hospitalized head w the second incapacitated, out of contact. That assumes the second was out of contact on vaccination.

However, accepting your narrative as true, I agree with you.

I took no position on it at the time because, I do not know if a structure for making decisions was broken.

Again, Gen. Austin has nothing, not a gnat’s eyelash to do with this situation. No amount of they did this will change anything. I know what President Biden’s Administration did not do. They did not do this.

I have said I agree w you previously in this thread.

Oh, and the CIA told these clowns, chuckle heads, arrogant, fools not to use this app.

And yes, Sec. Hegseth’s experience as a major, a mismanaged veterans’ charity, and malfeasance with women make him a neophyte for holding high government office. As you agreed early on in this thread, the “young man failed.” Your quote.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Signal accounts were the go to encrypted vehicle for the Biden administration. The CIA used it. Congress used it. A until-then-trusted mole breached his sworn duty to embarrass Trump, because as many around here feel is okay, if the ends get rid of Trump, the mess are always justified. It’s the religious duty.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
No apology, no consequences, and no accountability.

You know this is wrong and resignations are the least that should happen.

They do not have to be in on you. As a lawyer you break confidentiality, does it matter your client knew? No.


These people places on an open, unsecured app they were told not to use specific US battle plans while one of them stood in Russia.

You are sufficiently intelligent to know the da r this information was not a red on means nothing.

Does not change anything. They were told, knew, should have known this information was not proper for this app and these phones.


https://www.nbcnews.com/now/vi...-signal-235371589777

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Bus...n/story?id=120129513

https://fortune.com/2025/03/25...r-record-law-expert/

Back40: I just looked up the IG report on Gen. Austin. Your have presented the matter with 100 percent accuracy. You are completely right. He should have been removed.

Frankly, the President should have asked for resignation when he became so ill. I am not going to post the whole report, but this is enough. The fault was not needing to be hospitalized. The fault was not having or following a clear, designated protocol to transfer his power as Secretary until his medical emergency was past.

When the Secretary’s condition worsened on January 2 and he was transferred to the Surgical Intensive Care Unit (SICU), where he would not have access to secure communications, certain of his authorities were transferred to the Deputy Secretary from the afternoon of January 2 through the evening of January 5. Although Deputy Secretary Hicks was informed that certain authorities had been transferred to her, there was not a common understanding in the Department or by the Deputy Secretary that these transfers meant that, as a matter of law, she was serving as the Acting Secretary of Defense during these periods.

Secretary Austin resumed his authorities on the evening of January 5, but he remained hospitalized through January 15. During this period, he had three additional medical procedures. For two procedures—those on January 6 and January 8—he was moderately sedated and received written and verbal advice not to engage in activities requiring unimpaired physical and mental ability for 24 hours after the procedures. He was also advised that general anesthesia might be required. Nevertheless, Secretary Austin did not transfer his authorities and the OIG found no evidence that a transfer was considered or that Secretary Austin informed the Deputy Secretary or his Chief of Staff of the procedures. Finally, on February 11, Secretary Austin was again unexpectedly hospitalized because of significant medical complications. Despite his severe condition, and his later testimony to the OIG that he believed he had transferred his authorities before he went to the hospital, the OIG found that the weight of the evidence supported that the transfer did not occur until several hours later, after the Secretary was again hospitalized.

A very similar situation happened with Ashcroft. Thus, an administration should have had such protocols. Ashcroft’s situation contributed to, one or two Supreme Court cases.

I did call for President Biden to resign or the 25th Amendment to be applied stating, “The presidency is not a 9 to 5 job. If he is too sick to run for president. He is too sick to be president.”

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Government officials have used Signal for organizational correspondence, such as scheduling sensitive meetings, but in the Biden administration, people who had permission to download it on their White House-issued phones were instructed to use the app sparingly, according to a former national security official who served in the administration.

The official, who requested anonymity to speak about methods used to share sensitive information, said Signal was most commonly used to notify someone that they should check for a classified message sent through other means.

Link

The Judge is grasping at straws, dipping them in horse shit and flinging them at the wall to see if anything sticks.

Information about impending attack has been classified as Top Secret for decades, and if his avatar picture is anything but a paid joyride the Judge damned-well knows it, and why.

My understanding is that to add someone to a Signal chat they have to already be in your contacts; it is very likely that Waltz has Goldberg in his contacts from when he was a Congressman, that's who most "anonymous sources" used by reporters in Washington are.

The "Use By" date on everything the Trump Administration fucks up being Joe Biden's fault has come and gone.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
That’s interesting- that the previous administration was using it.

That the CIA at some level was using it is kind of meh to me. Certainly something like signal, WhatsApp or such has a place…

But I thought the argument was that this was a contravention of the government records rules. If so, and Biden was using it as well, I again reiterate that the particular law in question should be looked at.

Does anyone else here wonder if we're getting the whole picture on this?
The story seems a little incomplete.
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Waltz had a BUNCH of journalists in his Venmo account, which he made "Private" ten minutes after Wired asked him about it...

Link

This is almost certainly who Waltz was trying to invite to the chat, and he hit the wrong Goldberg in his Contacts:

Link

A bunch of ten year old bullies running America!

Some damned Liberal calling herself "Chief National Security Correspondent at Fox News" has thoughts:

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There is a debate about whether the operational details Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared in the Signal Group Chat were "classified" or not. So I surveyed a range of current and former US defense officials who agreed "war plans" is not the right term but what was shared may have been FAR MORE sensitive given the operational details and time stamps ahead of the operation, which could have placed US military pilots in harms way.

What Hegseth shared two hours ahead of the strikes were time sensitive “attack orders” or “operational plans” with actual timing of the strikes and mention of F18s, MQ9 Reapers and Tomahawks. This information is typically sent through classified channels to the commanders in the field as “secret, no forn” message. In other words the information is "classified" and should not be shared through insecure channels.

“Attack orders” or “attack sequence” puts the joint force directly and immediately at risk, according to former senior defense official #1. “It allows the enemy to move the target and increase lethal actions against US forces.”

This kind of real time operational information is more sensitive than “war plans,” which makes this lapse more egregious, according to two former senior US defense officials.

“This information was clearly classified,” according to former senior defense official #1.

The Defense Secretary can retroactively declassify information after the fact, but the fact that this was shared in real time before the strike took place makes it unlikely to have been declassified when it was being shared and seen by the journalist for The Atlantic who was inadvertently included in the Signal chat.

According to a second former senior US defense official, when Hegseth says he didn’t release “war plans” that is pure semantics. These were “attack plans.” “If you are revealing who is going to be attacked (Houthis – the name of the text chain), it still gives the enemy warning. When you release the time of the attack – all of that is always ‘classified’.”

Link

Declassification after the fact means nothing.

I’d imagine that the dead Houthis care little about 10 year-old bullies, a Signal message with an authorized named addressee (but an altered routing) and, most particularly, its classification.

They’re a wee bit more concerned, I’d guess, about what body parts can be found to be included in their graves.

This dead horse has taught all reasonable folks on the left and right that security can never be taken for granted and neither can be the freedom of the seas.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
A bunch of ten year old bullies running America!

I would imagine that the pilots, seamen, and parents of cats they a battle plan is being served up for the Russian’s to pick and disseminate care.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
The Signal accounts were the go to encrypted vehicle for the Biden administration. The CIA used it. Congress used it. A until-then-trusted mole breached his sworn duty to embarrass Trump, because as many around here feel is okay, if the ends get rid of Trump, the mess are always justified. It’s the religious duty.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
No apology, no consequences, and no accountability.

You know this is wrong and resignations are the least that should happen.

They do not have to be in on you. As a lawyer you break confidentiality, does it matter your client knew? No.


These people places on an open, unsecured app they were told not to use specific US battle plans while one of them stood in Russia.

You are sufficiently intelligent to know the da r this information was not a red on means nothing.

The phones are not secure. Even the guilty admit it should not have happened.

President Trump, “ Someone in my group screwed up. You don’t want this to happen in the future.”

They just prefer to not take responsibility for this breach.

Thus, your encryption defense does not carry water by a party admission.

A unsecured text app with a conversation on an unsecured phone that was standing in Russia.

The group does not think this is okay. Again, they do not want to take responsibility for their actions.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I’d imagine that the dead Houthis care little about 10 year-old bullies, a Signal message with an authorized named addressee (but an altered routing) and, most particularly, its classification.

They’re a wee bit more concerned, I’d guess, about what body parts can be found to be included in their graves.

This dead horse has taught all reasonable folks on the left and right that security can never be taken for granted and neither can be the freedom of the seas.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
A bunch of ten year old bullies running America!

Bullshit, the reporter posted a screenshot of Waltz inviting him to the Group:

Link

It is highly likely that Waltz intended to invite Richard Goldberg, a right-winger involved in Iran policy and hit the wrong "Goldberg" contact on his phone; that contact was there because he had almost certainly been using the reporter Goldberg to disseminate bullshit as a Congressman by serving as an "anonymous source" like most congresscritters do.

Your attempts to slough off responsibility by imagining that the reporter went through these miraculous convolutions to insinuate himself into a supposedly secure group chat which he couldn't have known existed to avoid admitting that another of Trump's incompetent appointees stomped on his own dick while tripping down stairs into a mud puddle is just sad.

Interesting that the contents of the Epstein Files are much better protected than active attack plans, but I suppose every Administration has their own priorities...

Seems the Administration, i.e., all involved, have adopted the Goebbles "big lie" approach to responding as opposed to the "big boy" approach to responding. Oh, someone planted the name in the Signal list as an act of sabotage. Oh, Signal was used by others for highly sensitive information. Oh, the information was not really "classified". Oh, this is just a "mainstream media" attack. Oh, the information being on the wrong platform and in the wrong hands is no big deal because it did not impact the end result. Today we will probably hear a couple of new "Oh's" as the propaganda team continues to gin up excuses, explanations, rationalizations and fabrications. Good news is that it keeps most of the MAGAts here hunkered down in their burrows since they struggle with formulating an explanation and are too shallow to simply declare the incident as being totally unacceptable.

Few things are perfect, but this is close:

Link

"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.
A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies.
With such a people, you can do whatever you want."
-Hannah Arendt
(14 October 1906 – 4 December 1975)

https://youtu.be/kSDZyaar9-U?si=3coGhuM_mju2NPm8

James Carville: The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight

Truth or fiction:

https://m.facebook.com/story.p...l&id=100070370913290

Secretary Fucksteth!

. . . today’s “Oh” . . . we have a scapegoat, and bonus points, he is Oriental.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Truth or fiction:

https://m.facebook.com/story.p...l&id=100070370913290

What hydrocephalic moron appointed him Deputy National Security Advisor?

Should be immediately fired and prosecuted!!

.

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Oh, Donald Trump appointed him?

Nevermind...

There's two parts to the story, at least.

The reporter was invited and the platform used.

The reporter disclosed that the platform used, SIGNAL, was not normal protocol and not secure enough.

Then they multiplied their fuckup by attacking the messenger and maybe finding a scapegoat, and even worse Trump denied knowledge - our commander in chief had no knowledge - really?

https://youtu.be/kAJ4uuLNbkc?si=kHdrVodi4v84__Ch

Growing concerns about Hegseth’s leadership at Pentagon after chat scandal

https://youtu.be/_pFf04zbvIs?si=zfzI_M2XipM0qLkD

‘Egregious mistake’: Trump world rocked as leak defense crumbles & GOP squirms under pressure

https://youtu.be/LnBEr4prUYw?si=cAdoTAsyYZdM9bNJ

‘I think they’re very nervous’: Bolton on Trump admin’s reaction to group chat scandal

My hope is that MSM doesn't let this go. I mean I hope it stays in the news a long time.

That's because Trump and his bunch want it to go away and count on MAGA short attention span, short memory, belief in fiction and Fox News to declare everything is okay and deflect.

I want Trump and team to lie, lie, lie about this and thus dig, dig, dig, deeper holes.

This happening is predictable, perhaps inevitable, and don't think for a second it's an anomaly. Just like everything with Trump(ism) all they learn is to cover it up and spin it better.

https://youtu.be/MhpHSs16ouY?si=_P_Lu6sSIVVGGtgj
Hegseth's Sloppy Security Breach | Mike Waltz: Goldberg's Number Got "Sucked In" To My Phone
Mar 26, 2025

https://youtu.be/nfKCwWN87jI?si=5QjGYB0Q_-DHT8q_
Team Trump’s Text Chain Disaster Gets Worse, “War Plans” Lies Won’t Stop & Very Dangerous Boom Mics

Here's an explanation from the guy who says Trump has Dark Triad character traits.

https://youtu.be/DUCUIW6Kl94?si=2w4l9CtNKoQsx4TD

Signal Group Chat Is Incompetence By Design

posted 28 March 2025 10:31 Hide Post
Even Fox News cannot sell this.

Andrew McCarthy, Fox News

"It is undeniable, or at least it should be, that 'information providing advance warning that the US or its allies are preparing an attack' is to be classified as 'top secret… the blunder of discussing the details on a Signal group chat that is not authorized for the communication of national defense information — to say nothing of top secret intelligence — was an unconscionable security breach.

Concluding in the article, McCarthy said, "Suffice it to say the Trump administration is not making this one better.”

Fox News’s chief national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin:

“What Hegseth shared two hours ahead of the strikes were time sensitive ‘attack orders’ or ‘operational plans’ with actual timing of the strikes and mention of F18s, MQ9 Reapers and Tomahawks… This information is typically sent through classified channels to the commanders in the field as ‘secret, no forn’ message. In other words the information is ‘classified’ and should not be shared through insecure channels.”

Finally, “ ‘Attack orders’ or ‘attack sequence’ puts the joint force directly and immediately at risk, according to former senior defense official #1. ‘It allows the enemy to move the target and increase lethal actions against US forces…This kind of real time operational information is more sensitive than ‘war plans,’ which makes this lapse more egregious, according to two former senior US defense officials.”

The only people over the cliff are those who by their own actions engaged in this behavior, blamed others for their inability, and The President who did not hold them accountable.

The ADMINISTRATION OF INBECILES!

Wow just wow
Dems are really trying to make a blowout out of this means there is nothing there

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Wow just wow
Dems are really trying to make a blowout out of this means there is nothing there

of course there is nothing lol ... remember when the next one will show up what will be your excuse this time? do not think too slow it might come faster than you think ...

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
Wow just wow
Dems are really trying to make a blowout out of this means there is nothing there

"Nothing there" - are you talking about the blank space slightly above the space between your ears?

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
Wow just wow
Dems are really trying to make a blowout out of this means there is nothing there

This almost smells like some sort of setup.
Too many disjointed facts. One may hope...

quote:

Originally posted by TomP:

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
Wow just wow
Dems are really trying to make a blowout out of this means there is nothing there

This almost smells like some sort of setup.
Too many disjointed facts. One may hope...

Yes it entered my mind

Can anyone explain why we're launching attacks on Yemen? Are we going to make it the fifty-second state?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Can anyone explain why we're launching attacks on Yemen? Are we going to make it the fifty-second state?

supporting the saudis there ... and 7 other arab countries the fact iran is on the other side might give you some indication in the implication on the us side. doesnt mean the yemen will accept that coalition and will surrender ...

Well, why aren't we expecting the Saudis and seven other Arab countries to pay for their own defense?

You know, like we're doing with EU countries?