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Originally posted by Jefffive:
And this isn't even a vaguely shrimp-shaped embryo, this is a barely differentiated
clump of cells, frozen.

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Originally posted by bluefish:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
And this isn't even a vaguely shrimp-shaped embryo, this is a barely differentiated
clump of cells, frozen.

And yet just as human as the rest of us.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

It’s a fucking egg. It has fuckall to do with Obama.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Not after implantation it’s not an egg.

There is a difference between ethics, practicality, and law.

Why do they store these zygotes indefinitely if they harvest them, implant the ones chosen, and don’t dispose of the rest in short order?

Why don’t they save the unused ovum as unfertilized ovum instead of fertilizing the lot and then cryopreserving the rest?

Why don’t they mandate the center implant all of the usable fetal tissue and then do culling of the implanted ones to limit the number of babies in the womb?
Isn't that ABORTING the "culls"?

If it’s the parent’s property, then they should be disposing of what they don’t use in a timely fashion or use it somehow.

They are human life. Certainly not conscious life and certainly can’t make decisions.

Either it is a person, in which case the center can’t destroy it at whim, or it’s a piece of property which as soon as the owner stops paying for it, it can be disposed of or sold from a practical standpoint.

I have often wondered what the morally proper thing to do with all these unused (ie unwanted) zygotes. You can’t force someone to carry them to term and care for them… but we also seem to not allow abandoned property to be sold for research, etc.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

It’s a fucking egg. It has fuckall to do with Obama.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Not after implantation it’s not an egg.

There is a difference between ethics, practicality, and law.

Why do they store these zygotes indefinitely if they harvest them, implant the ones chosen, and don’t dispose of the rest in short order?

Why don’t they save the unused ovum as unfertilized ovum instead of fertilizing the lot and then cryopreserving the rest?

Why don’t they mandate the center implant all of the usable fetal tissue and then do culling of the implanted ones to limit the number of babies in the womb?

If it’s the parent’s property, then they should be disposing of what they don’t use in a timely fashion or use it somehow.

They are human life. Certainly not conscious life and certainly can’t make decisions.

Either it is a person, in which case the center can’t destroy it at whim, or it’s a piece of property which as soon as the owner stops paying for it, it can be disposed of or sold from a practical standpoint.

I have often wondered what the morally proper thing to do with all these unused (ie unwanted) zygotes. You can’t force someone to carry them to term and care for them… but we also seem to not allow abandoned property to be sold for research, etc.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by bluefish:
God you people are stupid. And intractable. And illogical. Not one of you can make a biologically based argument why it is other than human. No biologist alive will tell you anything else except from the moment of the sperm and egg’s union a unique human life has been created with its entire DNA package contained therein. Obama did his work well as we are irretrievably broken. As they say in divorce filings, we are of irreconcilable differences.

It’s a fucking egg. It has fuckall to do with Obama.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
When you can freeze for a year, thaw and revive a human get back to us.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
When you can freeze for a year, thaw and revive a human get back to us.

Interesting item to bring up. There is a small industry freezing dead rich people in hopes that they can someday be revived...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . and I guess all the frozen embryos will now have to be kept forever even after the sperm and egg donors are dead and gone.

Now the kook wing of the GOP can turn their attention to restricting birth control.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
I'm not a Biblical scholar and don't play one on TV, but doesn't Genesis say Adam became a "living soul" ONLY upon breathing?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Even if science advances far enough to revive frozen dead people, why would a future generation want them? To study ancient cultures?

If they were revived, what would they return to? Their fortunes would have been squandered by their heirs long ago.

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It would be interesting to see what he had to say… yes, I would like to talk to someone who fought in WWI again. Imagine what it would be like to speak with a firsthand witness of some great event- the signing of the Declaration of Independence or such.