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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Harris Will Propose ‘Price Gouging’ Ban on Food and Groceries


Good luck, libbies. I can tell you it would be simpler to make fossil fuel prices much lower to reduce the cost of food production. That they won't do because well, you know their green policies don't encourage that.

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

The idea that trump had anything to do gas prices is nonsensical. Same as blaming Biden for high gas prices. President's don't control it and if you think they do, you are delusional.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

The idea that trump had anything to do gas prices is nonsensical. Same as blaming Biden for high gas prices. President's don't control it and if you think they do, you are delusional.

Peppermint patty sure croned about gas prices going down under buden and his selling the oil reserves... just before she split to get paid

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

The idea that trump had anything to do with low gas prices is nonsensical. Same as blaming Biden for high gas prices. President's don't control it and if you think they do, you are delusional.

~Ann

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Annie..
Facts... but they just bounce right off

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

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trump had little to do with it.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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trump had little to do with it.

Oh, for pity sakes. TDS!

So then answer the kamala question- How will she lower food prices with her scheme? That has never worked!

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:

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trump had little to do with it.

Oh, for pity sakes. TDS!

So then answer the kamala question- How will she lower food prices with her scheme? That has never worked!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In the words of Rick Perry (speaking on energy): “you get what you incentivize for.”

Ease regulation, taxation, and litigation and energy will become cheaper. Want more refineries same but heavy on the regulation.

Changes in executive branch regulations can and does affect US crude production and refined energy price significantly.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In the words of Rick Perry (speaking on energy): “you get what you incentivize for.”

Ease regulation, taxation, and litigation and energy will become cheaper. Want more refineries same but heavy on the regulation.

Changes in executive branch regulations can and does affect US crude production and refined energy price significantly.

Production has never been higher here in the States, we do not refine the oil we pump, it is sold on the world market, the same place we buy our oil.

True

It is not the regulations on refineries that are the issue at the moment but rather the future of the energy sector. The cost of building a new refinery is HUGE and not too many analysts feel a lay out of that proportion is worth the gamble.

Let’s boil that down for a moment: First, regulations on refining waxes and wanes with R & D executive control and does influence fuel price. But that aside…let’s discuss this “future of the energy sector.” Do you think that executive branch policy thus regulation might play a role there.

Want gas prices to drop? Then support sending Ukraine the help it needs to defeat Russia.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In the words of Rick Perry (speaking on energy): “you get what you incentivize for.”

Ease regulation, taxation, and litigation and energy will become cheaper. Want more refineries same but heavy on the regulation.

Changes in executive branch regulations can and does affect US crude production and refined energy price significantly.

Production has never been higher here in the States, we do not refine the oil we pump, it is sold on the world market, the same place we buy our oil.

True

It is not the regulations on refineries that are the issue at the moment but rather the future of the energy sector. The cost of building a new refinery is HUGE and not too many analysts feel a lay out of that proportion is worth the gamble.

Let’s boil that down for a moment: First, regulations on refining waxes and wanes with R & D executive control and does influence fuel price. But that aside…let’s discuss this “future of the energy sector.” Do you think that executive branch policy thus regulation might play a role there. I believe it is more up to the legislative branch to address regulation, see the recent SCOTUS ruling on the matter of regulatory agencies

Want gas prices to drop? Then support sending Ukraine the help it needs to defeat Russia.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In the words of Rick Perry (speaking on energy): “you get what you incentivize for.”

Ease regulation, taxation, and litigation and energy will become cheaper. Want more refineries same but heavy on the regulation.

Changes in executive branch regulations can and does affect US crude production and refined energy price significantly.

Production has never been higher here in the States, we do not refine the oil we pump, it is sold on the world market, the same place we buy our oil.

True

It is not the regulations on refineries that are the issue at the moment but rather the future of the energy sector. The cost of building a new refinery is HUGE and not too many analysts feel a lay out of that proportion is worth the gamble.

Let’s boil that down for a moment: First, regulations on refining waxes and wanes with R & D executive control and does influence fuel price. But that aside…let’s discuss this “future of the energy sector.” Do you think that executive branch policy thus regulation might play a role there. I believe it is more up to the legislative branch to address regulation, see the recent SCOTUS ruling on the matter of regulatory agencies Up through current time and not changed yet. The alphabet of agencies write and ENFORCE regulations that affect the energy sector with little influence from Congress.

Want gas prices to drop? Then support sending Ukraine the help it needs to defeat Russia.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
To start I'd stop funding wars if we need new/better refineries and things to make fuel processing efficient. I'd also make sure the prices for our country fit our needs before exporting to others and those exports would certainly be priced higher than in-country use.

Another good thing would be to stop the lobbyists and profiteering in congress.

Prices were reasonable under trump. This was 2018 in my town. It can be done. Trump did it.

The idea that trump had anything to do with low gas prices is nonsensical. Same as blaming Biden for high gas prices. President's don't control it and if you think they do, you are delusional.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In the words of Rick Perry (speaking on energy): “you get what you incentivize for.”

Ease regulation, taxation, and litigation and energy will become cheaper. Want more refineries same but heavy on the regulation.



Changes in executive branch regulations can and does affect US crude production and refined energy price significantly.

Production has never been higher here in the States, we do not refine the oil we pump, it is sold on the world market, the same place we buy our oil.

It is not the regulations on refineries that are the issue at the moment but rather the future of the energy sector. The cost of building a new refinery is HUGE and not too many analysts feel a lay out of that proportion is worth the gamble.

Want gas prices to drop? Then support sending Ukraine the help it needs to defeat Russia.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
We are at a time of transition Lane, That is what I hear…but it takes money to buy whisky. renewables will be entering the marketplace, Yes, they are going to be explored…at our expense thus far and there is no evidence that they will stay. the question is how fast that change comes. If…the change does come…it will be slowly over the next 50-100 years. Not this next decade BS that causes refined fuels to be expensive. I'm sticking with my gas-powered truck for as long as I can, for the places I go and the things I do it is by far the best option for me. Me too! People living in urban areas have different needs, EV's make sense for many of them. Agreed. But, that electricity is mainly generated by fossil fuels. The fact this change is coming is not the end of the world, No proof that it will. a bit bumpy, there will be winners and losers. It reminds me a bit of globalization and our job market, adapt of get left behind. True…but we have agreed in the past that this was not necessarily the best policy for the bulk of our country.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Lane,
You are clearly against renewables, Not! But I am pro proof. that makes zero sense. They are coming, Maybe to deny it is to deny reality. My power company is Xcel energy, as of a year ago they were at 42% renewables and 58% petroleum to generate electricity. The best I have been able to confirm is 25% in the favorable times of the year. The change IS coming. No proof…maybe Adapt or get left behind.
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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
That might be the goal Bill, keeping the population pissed off and feeling like they have been screwed.

I'm neither, on the contrary, quite happy and not disgruntled in the least. I have put a bunch of effort into building a life that pleases me, and it does. I'm off to walk a couple of great bird dogs in some incredible scenery this morning, just like pretty much every morning. Life is good as they say.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
That might be the goal Bill, keeping the population pissed off and feeling like they have been screwed.

I'm neither, on the contrary, quite happy and not disgruntled in the least. I have put a bunch of effort into building a life that pleases me, and it does. I'm off to walk a couple of great bird dogs in some incredible scenery this morning, just like pretty much every morning. Life is good as they say.

Well that's just wonderful Steve. You can pretend you are not one of the screwees, or perhaps you are not?
I notice you say your company is at 42% renewables to generate electricity. The "renewables" are undoubtedly subsidized so the consumer and taxpayer pays the cost, one way or another, to make some people rich and some others feel good because they embrace the mistaken belief they are helping the environment. Bill.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Lane,
You are clearly against renewables, Not! But I am pro proof. that makes zero sense. They are coming, Maybe to deny it is to deny reality. My power company is Xcel energy, as of a year ago they were at 42% renewables and 58% petroleum to generate electricity. The best I have been able to confirm is 25% in the favorable times of the year. The change IS coming. No proof…maybe Adapt or get left behind.
.

What makes sense in nuclear electricity generation. That works. EVs may make sense in urban areas but batteries require natural resources and disposal.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
That might be the goal Bill, keeping the population pissed off and feeling like they have been screwed.

I'm neither, on the contrary, quite happy and not disgruntled in the least. I have put a bunch of effort into building a life that pleases me, and it does. I'm off to walk a couple of great bird dogs in some incredible scenery this morning, just like pretty much every morning. Life is good as they say.

Well that's just wonderful Steve. You can pretend you are not one of the screwees, or perhaps you are not?
I notice you say your company is at 42% renewables to generate electricity. The "renewables" are undoubtedly subsidized so the consumer and taxpayer pays the cost, one way or another, to make some people rich and some others feel good because they embrace the mistaken belief they are helping the environment. Bill.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Lane,
You are clearly against renewables, Not! But I am pro proof. that makes zero sense. They are coming, Maybe to deny it is to deny reality. My power company is Xcel energy, as of a year ago they were at 42% renewables and 58% petroleum to generate electricity. The best I have been able to confirm is 25% in the favorable times of the year. The change IS coming. No proof…maybe Adapt or get left behind.
.

What makes sense in nuclear electricity generation. That works. EVs may make sense in urban areas but batteries require natural resources and disposal.

Are you disputing Xcel's numbers? They claim 42%, how do you come up with 25% max?

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
"It's Communism": Kamala's First Economic Plan Proposes Price Controls To "Combat Inflation"

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Lane,
You are clearly against renewables, Not! But I am pro proof. that makes zero sense. They are coming, Maybe to deny it is to deny reality. My power company is Xcel energy, as of a year ago they were at 42% renewables and 58% petroleum to generate electricity. The best I have been able to confirm is 25% in the favorable times of the year. The change IS coming. No proof…maybe Adapt or get left behind.
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What makes sense in nuclear electricity generation. That works. EVs may make sense in urban areas but batteries require natural resources and disposal.

Are you disputing Xcel's numbers? They claim 42%, how do you come up with 25% max?

No I am not disputing. What I was trying to convey is that I invest in Texas energy companies and the best I have seen real and actual confirmation of is 25% contribution and that is a peak that only occurs sometimes. Yours could be legit…I have no way of knowing. But, I have seen those 40% claims that were BS when the cover was pulled back and I have not been able to document one. Most are 10-15% when averaged out.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:
Lane,
You are clearly against renewables, Not! But I am pro proof. that makes zero sense. They are coming, Maybe to deny it is to deny reality. My power company is Xcel energy, as of a year ago they were at 42% renewables and 58% petroleum to generate electricity. The best I have been able to confirm is 25% in the favorable times of the year. The change IS coming. No proof…maybe Adapt or get left behind.
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What makes sense in nuclear electricity generation. That works. EVs may make sense in urban areas but batteries require natural resources and disposal.

Are you disputing Xcel's numbers? They claim 42%, how do you come up with 25% max?

No I am not disputing. What I was trying to convey is that I invest in Texas energy companies and the best I have seen real and actual confirmation of is 25% contribution and that is a peak that only occurs sometimes. Yours could be legit…I have no way of knowing. But, I have seen those 40% claims that were BS when the cover was pulled back and I have not been able to document one. Most are 10-15% when averaged out.

Just looked this morning (8am) and fossil fuels are 11.1% of the total uk power consumption at the moment. Renewables are at just over 50% and nuclear etc the balance.