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Maybe not. Zelenskyy just put on his big boy pants and sent an X message to the world which proposes a cease fire that is very much like what Trump was suggesting, thanks Trump for providing the javelin missiles which saved the country and says he is very much willing to sign the rare earth contracts, anywhere at any time. I guarantee you that someone here will say that that is a horrible result. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | ||
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Do you think this means that Zelenskyy is going to cede Ukrainian territory to Russia? Zelensky has been saying he wants peace for years. He's ass-kissing trump because he has no other choice. Ukraine doesn't survive without US aid. -"I need ammunition, not a ride." | |||
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From Zelinskyy: Probably written by that poor lady with her head in her hands when Zelinski started making demands of the hand that was feeding him and his country. Zelensky did leave something out, though. I’m sure he wanted to say that he wished he could kick Chuck Schumer in the nuts for giving him such bad advice. Or does Chuck Schumer identify as a man. Maybe he’s a menstruating man. Who knows, but I’m pretty sure Zelensky’s not real happy with the whiny he/she/they anyway. “I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace. None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this. Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively.”
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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i thought the judge saw the light ... it will take a few more actions from his dear president ... | |||
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Well, it's easier just to declare victory and move on.... -"I need ammunition, not a ride." | |||
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maybe but i do not get it all those maga supporters and fans having not a problem with all this done but on top of that being the best supporter of putin ... which was the enemy of the west forever ... | |||
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“… supporter of Putin…” Help me out here. Putin invaded Crimea in 2014 before he had any way of knowing Trump may be running (and win) for president. Then he kept his jets cooled for four years and took no aggressive actions the entire time Trump was president. As POTUS, and if Putin‘s lacky, wouldn’t it make sense for him to invade during that term. Also, Trump wanted to make Europe independent from Russian fuels. Russia desperately needs that energy money and, not incidentally, now gets it from Europe. Hardly a pro Putin move to cut off Russia’s money stream. Going further in time, Trump lost the 2020 election and was expected to never be electable again due to the warfare instituted by the Democrat Department of justice. How could Putin know that Trump would win in 2024 and help him subdue Ukraine . Also, it would be bizarre to think that Putin’s boy would send the javelins to the Ukraine that killed the Russian advances back in 2022. Zelensky says it saved the country. In any event, he waited until Biden was the president to invade Ukraine again in 2022. Please tell me how any of that chronology points in any direction towards Trumps being a punk to Putin. Now, tell me how being excited that the war is more likely to end today then it was yesterday and that most all of the West, including the United States and with the full support of Ukraine is going to, on a United front, each paying its fair share, negotiate peace is bad.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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you are right im so sorry to have confused the actions in favor of putin since he arrived for his second term. it was not meant at all the way the medias are showing it ... how can i be so confused ... | |||
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Trump won't admit that Russia even invaded Ukraine, so I thought it didn't happen. Zelensky caved. That's a win for Russia and Trump's boss. Bill. | |||
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Borrow an aircraft carrier and a plane for the occasion? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Zelensky is admitting the EU alone cannot or will not support the war effort adequately. I think someone told him now, belatedly, that the president alone decides US foreign policy and that he can’t “make” Trump support him… that congress can’t run foreign policy (I think he got some bad information from the democrats advising him) and that absent an attack on an actually allied nation, our allies can’t dictate our response. Trump was the guy in the room with the cards. I hope that the Ukrainians have the ability to keep their nation at its preexisting borders- no giving land to Russia. Frankly, they don’t think given the relative size and locations that a peace treaty will be able to permanently guarantee against new aggression. Adequate defenses and defense spending is the only answer… if you want peace, be prepared for war. I’d like to think that Ukraine could get the antebellum borders back, and allow any ethnic Russians who want to emigrate back to Russia to do so… and the Ukrainians be willing to take any ethnic Ukrainians back from Russia. Reparations is a pipe dream. Getting as a part of the agreement NATO membership or basing NATO state troops in Ukraine likely is a deal breaker for Russia. Fine to ask, but I doubt they will agree. Trump will show his true colors- either he will side with Putin or he will insist on an equitable treaty. He’s gotten his unpresidential demands that others bend the knee and kiss his ring… will he now do what is right or will he behave poorly and do something that isn’t in the US’s best interests? | |||
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Does anyone ever tried to look at this whole conflict objectively? | |||
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Judge, the answer is that the Democrats wish for anything but a Trump success. That means, open borders are good, as long as Trump is pro-closed border. It means men get to play in women's sports and have open access to women locker-rooms, as long as Trump is against it. So logically, ANY peace deal, other than a complete Russian surrender isn't acceptable. An outcome they know won't happen. Any negotiation, started, run or attended by Trump, needs to fail. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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let s do it: who surrender nuclear weapons in exchange of keeping the whole ukraine? well seems the signature of your country worth nothing ... who invaded crimea that was an ukrainian sovereign part? again russia did invaded another country ... who took 3 years an invasion on another partt of ukraine? again russia ... who wanted a deal on some soils mineral but not offering a guarantee or safe heaven for ukraine? this time usa and in doing that they re protecting their interests and the ones of putin. who will be left alone in having new friends like putin xi? usa .... no need to go deeper. | |||
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a peace with no guarantee of peace, no safety nor security is not a deal peace ... but yes you are not supporting putin ...lol wake up ... if it matters isolationism never worked for any country ... as you discovering you are loosing your allies ... yes they did not pay enough but that was not a reason to stop the deals that your president signed himself lol ... NAFTA 2.0 were signed by trump for at least 14 years ... maybe he is not a good negociator he think he is but we had a deal and now your country poke the bear ... we are nice but when it is not anymore the time for it you are discovering it ... | |||
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The Russians may find their new provinces a little restive, after getting pounded for three years. I idly wonder if Ukraine's Russian-speaking population was there pre-holomodor or if they emigrated later. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Um, Judge, Biden was president in 2022. Trump did provide Javelins to Ukraine in 2019-20, before he knew his master planned to invade that country. Trump doesn't just favor Putin. Putin OWNS him! | |||
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When Trump lets it be known that he expects Ukraine to give up all or some of the territory Russia has occupied, I bet the Judge will call it great negotiating. | |||
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In your business how much success did you have negotiating from a position of weakness? Did you generally go into a negotiation by telling the other side all the reasons you really needed to absolutely have a deal and exposing weaknesses in your position? I doubt it. I am not objecting to the pursuit of a peaceful resolution. And I am not so naive as to not believe that any deal will necessarily require meaningful concessions on both sides. I am not for taking one side to the negotiation and beating them down, pulling resources, etc. going in the negotiation. Do you think a better deal can be negotiated with Russia by waffling on your support of Ukraine, beating down Zelenskyy publicly and withdrawing aid? Or do you think a better deal with Russia could be negotiated by standing strong with Ukraine, stating unwavering support, promising continued funding, etc.? There is absolutely no question which approach will produce the better deal with Russia. So when your side takes the former approach don’t be surprised if people criticize the approach as stupid and worse suggest that perhaps you and pandering to or in bed with Russia. Quite frankly the approach being taken by Trump is asinine (or perhaps corrupt). Might be why none of our former “allies” have endorsed the approach. Mike | |||
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What I saw was an inspiring speech, almost another Trump rally, with the disgruntled Democrats behaving shamefully. They can't even rise to recognize heroes and widows of heroes, or family of people murdered by illegals the Biden Administration escorted into this country. I thought that was shameful and reminds me why I hate Democrats (except Fetterman -- where was Fetterman tonight?, would love to have seen him). Loved the comment at the outset by Trump that there was nothing he could say that would make the Dims clap for him. HE BAITED THEM! And they bit. They are so, so stupid. | |||
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That is because you would permit the destruction of our constitutional system to serve your personal goals. You agree w the ends of this. The ends are not what matter regardless of what one likes or do not like. | |||
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. . . he can’t even get the right thread to comment on. I thinking drinking and posting can be irresponsible. Mike | |||
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BUT Ukraine was not allowed to forward-deploy those Javelins until Biden was in office, had to keep them in a depot. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Heym, I have no idea what you are talking about. My agenda, if you will, is for this country to be successful, and that wasn't the agenda of the prior Administration. Mike, I intentionally put my comment on this thread. Your comment is uncalled for, and unfounded as the case might be, but given that I have accused you of getting into your cups I'll let it pass. | |||
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. . . perhaps you are unfamiliar with the notion of germaneness. Pour yourself another and pull out Blacks. Mike | |||
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"I have no idea what you are talking about. My agenda, if you will, is for this country to be successful, and that wasn't the agenda of the prior Administration." That's the most bullshit thing you've said for a while, and that's saying something. | |||
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Me too! Notice the democrats are still shooting themselves in the foot! Even here  That they couldn't even acknowledge those citizens is telling.....stuck on stupid! | |||
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if the citizen start to tell you something different after feeling the heat from tariffs war what will you say? they are stupid lol ... | |||
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Trump missed an opportunity, could have ridden a donkey into the chamber. Great television, could have raised at once the image of Caligula's horse, domination over the symbol of the Democratic party, and a savior riding to his triumph. An elephant would have been too big for the aisle, and may have occasioned a distracting cleanup effort during his speech. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Beyond the headline, this entire thread is redundant. | |||
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We're isolationist because we don't want to finance more stupid European wars? We're isolationist because we aren't subsidizing Europe through unfair tariffs? Europe finances Russia,to invade buy buying their fossil fuels while they expect US treasure to protect them???? They skimp on NATO commitments until forced to meet their requirements? Sounds like a bunch of spoiled children to me..... . | |||
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You're in a cult. You worship trump because he is your cult leader. You hate me because you are in a cult. You think you're cult leader is clever because he stated the obvious at the outset (Democrats weren't going to kneel before him like you do) and now you're clapping yourself on the back telling all of us how smart your cult leader is....save it, and stick it. You're full of shit. -"I need ammunition, not a ride." | |||
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stay in your own country for the whole and stop playing with other countries as you discovered most are not nice after you re poking them ... | |||
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thank you crbutler to proofing my points. we learnt within few weeks that the signature of your country means nothing will it be for budapest treaty (treaty is not a joke) of NAFTA 2.0 that your actual president negotiated and signed then renegated ... for the war and lands seizure of ukraine from russia seems you have no problem with it either if you are getting a deal on some minerals ... despite your long sentences your president therefore your country is siding with putin (that was the enemy of nato). thank you as well to tell us the sacrifices of soldiers in afghanistan was vain from foreign armies and on that you are siding with your corporal (should remind you last time a corporal was in reign few decades ago). it is interesting to read the trupm supporters not thinking farther and just on the minute coming ... your self isolationnism will not do good ... for your country ... look up 3 states on monday will receive an increase of 25% for their electricity coming from us, you know the country you need nothing ... | |||
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well with the suspension of tariffs threats to mexico and canada for another month who is still the idiot lol? | |||
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Not an idiot at all - the market fluctuations caused by this on again, off again stuff is making some people a great deal of money. That’s not accidental. That’s market manipulation, plain as day. | |||
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it is what the people are thinking but you are putting too much intelligence where there is none and i doubt that foul play will work 4 years in a row ... there is no genious into that otherwise tesla stocks wont be so baddly impacted lol | |||
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it might not to bad for kentucky and tennessee it is only $1.4 billions that are not going into their economy just from ontario bc and ... someone told us here we are just a drop in usa economy ... alcohol is no anymore coming from usa to canada ... again who is the idiot? im sorry for the ones that did not vote for this but the others too bad ... and i do not care i do not drink alcohol lol | |||
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