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No, I don't remember them all, at least not the way you spin them. I'd like receipts where noted, please. Also I'd like a receipt for this: "Or Nancy Pelosi admitting she was responsible for the National Guard not being activated on J6." I don't see a single one of your examples as support for your argument that the DOJ prosecutes Republicans for the same conduct they don't pursue Democrats for. Please support your argument, or withdraw. | |||
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It was "orchestrated" under Bush before Obama & Holder were even on the scene, you partisan butt boy! | |||
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So where are the two I asked for, Steve? Also, I spent quite a bit of time replying to your post. It would be nice to hear something back from you--or from your post admirers. | |||
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I guess the promise of receipts was false; maybe there is no evidence, is what I'm thinking. Having thought about this some more, I've realized I disagree with Steve's partisan prism argument. Everything is not a matter of relativism. Sometimes things are either true or they are false. There is a difference between fact and fantasy. Trump and Fox News have been selling you fantasies, and you've been swilling them down. I'm not using a political prism to see it either. The DOJ went after Hunter Biden--was that an example that helps you? I wonder why you went right by that example. The prosecutor and judge were both harsh on Hunter, considering his crime has probably been committed by a million gun-owning pot smokers. If I were a college prof and you were my student, I would have to give you a D on your paper. The reason is that you offer an argument that is nowhere supported by your litany of examples. "The DOJ, will selectively prosecute Republicans for the same misdeeds that a democrat gets away with, penalty free." That's your argument. None of your examples--I repeat, NONE--support your proposition. You get half a point on the example of the FBI and DOJ refusing to arrest Hillary, but where is the case of a Republican who was prosecuted in the same circumstances? You have none. You have no case. | |||
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I agree w Rolland and add: A president using his vested pardoning power divided, granted to the president by the Constitution is not a non issue. Such action does not support your thesis. If you do not like it, change the Constitution. Yet, that would not be very conservative. | |||
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I added a word to your quote to compare it into the present.  When Trump is inaugurated and takes the oath of office to protect the constitution, he will be lying from the onset of his term. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Like he lied so not to serve his country??  | |||
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." With his hand on one of his grift Bibles, with the golden cover, his version of the oath may be: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully, to the best of my ability, execute , preserve, protect and defend the Office of President of the United States, and will execute the Constitution of the United States." So, both definitions of "execute" are covered, 1 and 2. Financial deals are for sure, and the constitution executed per definition 2. ex·e·cute /ˈeksəˌkyo͞ot/ verb 1. carry out or put into effect (a plan, order, or course of action). "the corporation executed a series of financial deals" Similar: carry out accomplish perform implement effect bring off bring about achieve carry off carry through complete enact enforce put into effect put into practice do discharge prosecute engineer administer attain realize fulfill perpetrate pull off swing cut acquit oneself of effectuate 2. carry out a sentence of death ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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In other words, if y'all don't do what I want, I'm going to tax my citizens until they lynch you for making me do it! TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Will you feel the same with pardons and commutations that trump will do? ~Ann   | |||
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headless, seeking external validation is a clear sign of poor self-esteem -- you might have that looked it, my wife recommends "betterhelp.com" for the bashful -- opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Here's the video of NP telling her daughter that it was her responsibility. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oksVQrXRAkE And excuse me for not being around. I was in a horrific dirt bike accident Wednesday, last week. I broke two vertebrae (T4, T5) and two ribs. Im so stiff I cant hardly hold up anything at all. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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And FFS, the FBI actually suppressed the Hunter laptop prior the 2020 election. What more partisan proof do you require? https://judiciary.house.gov/me...companies-about-hack House Judiciary committee report not enough proof the DOJ selectively protects/investigates? How about deadly force authorized to raid an X-Presidents residence? https://www.newsweek.com/trump...deadly-force-1903247 Did Biden get a full blown armed FBI raid when his documents were found? Hell no. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Hope you heal up quick -- opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I'm very sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you haven't suffered any permanent damage and heal quickly. I took a couple of hard dirt bike spills when I was young. I was lucky I never broke anything. | |||
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Thanks Roland and Jeff. I'm 63. Very, very fit from all my gym/cycling work. But it's not good. Broke the ribs on the backside, can't lay down to sleep. Been sleeping (trying)in a chair. Was getting ready to ride the CDT (Continental Divide Trail). But I think I'm gonna pass. Can't leave my wife and son having to take care of a a crippled husband/father. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Dude! Sorry about your injury. I'll pray you make a 100% recovery. | |||
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Yeah! Get better Steve. | |||
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Hope the vertebral fractures are not near anything significant! Rib fractures are one of the most irritating types. You can’t stop them from moving, so they take longer to heal and hurt the whole time. Given your choice of sport, I’m sure you’ve had more than your share of injuries. Best wishes for a speedy recovery! | |||
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The use of deadly force in these raids is commonly authorized. | |||
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The Abrazo ER guy told me my column was not in danger. However, I am going to see a spinal specialist Wednesday. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Was deadly force authorized on the raid on the Biden residence? Oh...wait...there was no raid on the Biden residence.  This is all good with me. When you guys start screaming "lawfare-lawfare", I'll just laugh it off, just as you guys do. Kash Patel is going to wreck the deep state. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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God I hope so! We need it! | |||
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Oh, wait...Biden didn't refuse to return the documents, like Trump did. | |||
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That's like sending Ghost Busters team, 50,000 shock troops, to wreck something from Steve Bannon's fantasy. Whoever they nominate and is approved will be tethered to Heritage Foundation's project 2025, plus some rogue ideas, conspiracy theories, of their own and Trump's too. You got one thing right, "wreck". And it ain't a deep state. That's just a pejorative term to spin what it really is. It's the whole working fundamentals developed over time of the federal govt, and agencies, etc. We have seen it many times where the Rightist goons harp about some aspect of govt being dysfunctional, such as the EPA, then they cut funding and say see - I told you they were dysfunctional. We haven't seen anything like the dysfunction Trump Team will render, and they will spin it. We have lots of dysfunction from Trump and Team already. There is reason to think the only thing they will get better at is dysfunction. But, of course, "wreck" is something you are proud of and cherish and look forward to. After all, that's why Trump got elected - the promise to wreck the system. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Let me help with the spin:  Oh, wait, Biden just did a better job of hiding the documents he stole, and besides DOJ wasn't after him anyway. The two-tiered thing, you know. There is no end to the spin, excuses, lies, conspiracy theories, belief in fiction Rightists can dream up. It's a bottomless rabbit hole. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I watched the Pelosi video, and wish there was more context for her statements. I'd like to know the source of any authority by the Speaker of the House to mobilize the National Guard. Are you saying, Steve, that the DOJ should have arrested Pelosi and put her on trial for the events of January 6? On what charge? When they never arrested Trump for sitting on his hands, watching the events unfold? What's your point, anyway? | |||
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There’s no authority for the Speaker to mobilize the DC Guard. | |||
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Maybe the DC guard, but the rest is just semantics. https://cha.house.gov/2024/8/n...ecurity-on-january-6 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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No it is not. I have posted the federal law and the Executive Order that controls the DC Guard. Along with a historical summation of its creation. It rested on Trump’s head. | |||
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The J6 "Trump is an Insurrectionist" narrative is crumbling. Why can't some of you just read the data and house reports. Just because the MSM won't make it public, doesn't make it truth. https://cha.house.gov/2024/3/c...ranscribed-interview Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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What is your source of information, if not the media? I know, I know: the mainstream media is conspiring against you too. Have you ever listened to Trump's speech when he incited the crowd to riot? If not legal responsibility, Trump sure has moral responsibility for January 6. | |||
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I know what the actual responsibilities of the President are. I know what Washington on form would have done when a violent mob stormed the Capitol in defiance of my Constitution. The election does not change who and what Trump is. | |||
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I’ve found the house committee reports to be both readily available and factual. His speech where he clearly says “peacefully and patriotically”? Roland- I’m not saying Trump is completely guiltless in that day, however the evidence I’m providing should give you at least some pause. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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It is well known and evident that Trump has a way of saying things that can be taken at least two ways. He's an expert at plausible denial. He also said, "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore". Sure, he and his supporters want to focus on the “peacefully and patriotically” thing. He also calls those convicted for the invasion that day, patriots and political hostages. Also, the focus on the “peacefully and patriotically” ignores the other parts of the story, the planning, the push on Pence, Eastman's and MAGA Mike's fake electors scheme, etc. It was a coordinated plan, including GOPers in congress. He would have done it again had the election 2024 not gone his way. I don't have any "pause" at all except at how you rationalize it. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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ME- I clearly stated Trump is not without some guilt. Why did you leave that off my quote, then go on to show some of his guilt? Hmmmm? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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He said "peaceful" one time. He said "fight" eighteen times in that one speech. Fight, "or you won't have a country left." Trump doesn't just have "some guilt" for January 6. He has primary guilt for it. | |||
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And harris said it 19 times. Do you have a point? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4gnq4dpd5o opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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To answer your question: "some guilt" leaves room for "some innocence". It's a rationalization. It's like being halfway between --- whatever --- reality vs fiction maybe. I tried to show all his guilt, and his innocence is null. Trump is never innocent. "Not without" is the clue of the halfway thing. How is that measured? Where does the scale tilt? He led the plan. The Jan 6 event was last resort - stall, remove Pence from the scene, let the GOPers in congress take charge of it and recognize the fake electors. There is no way Trump is innocent. He still denies he lost the election simply because it serves him, and that's because he has supporters like you who WILL rationalize. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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So, I ask you Jeffee, do you have a point? Excerpt from the article you linked: Her supporters responded with loud boos when she noted that she had had a phone call with President-elect Trump, and "I told him we will help him and his team with his transition. And we will engage in a peaceful transfer of power." "While I concede this election, I do not concede the fight that fuelled this campaign," she added. Her speech referenced "fight" or "fighting" 19 times. During the campaign the rivals often traded insults, with Harris calling Trump a "fascist" and a threat to American democracy. Harris told her supporters on Wednesday: "I know many people feel like we are entering a dark time. But for the benefit of us all, I hope that is not the case." Trump Team has not coordinated in the transition. When referring to Trump and Trumpism, "fighting" is not the same as when Harris uses the word. He implies and invites violence, Harris does not. Trump never uses the word "hope". Hope is not a strategy. It's a last resort. Instead of Hope, Trump just hires lawyers. His first and last resort is to lie. Here's the difference in GOPers and Dems: GOPers > when all you have is a hammer, use it. Dems > Your lever is decency, reason, virtue - use it. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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