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Originally posted by LHeym500:
One loves America and insured a peaceful transition of power to his Party’s opponent. I can remember all the calls to deny Trump his due electoral win. President Obama would have none of it.

The other is an unindicted traitor.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

I went to bed at 1:00 a.m. and Trump had the election well in hand. I woke up at 6:00 a.m. and everything had changed. Do really believe there weren't shady dealings? No politician can be trusted, but Democrats in particular.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

I went to bed at 1:00 a.m. and Trump had the election well in hand. I woke up at 6:00 a.m. and everything had changed. Do really believe there weren't shady dealings? No politician can be trusted, but Democrats in particular.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

I went to bed at 1:00 a.m. and Trump had the election well in hand. I woke up at 6:00 a.m. and everything had changed. Do really believe there weren't shady dealings? No politician can be trusted, but Democrats in particular.

So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

How is it that all involved have managed to keep it under their hats and no one in Almost 4 years has come up with any credible evidence on how it was done.

How is it that those that all those court cases bought by people who think as you do have been tossed out. Is that a huge coverup too, all the judges have been gotten at?

All the people who promised biblical earth shattering evidence “ in just a few days” like Sidney whatever her name was have crawled away quietly and in some cases admitted they were just plain lying?

The only actual evidence of someone trying to “fix” an election was the guy who lost, who was calling an election official and asking him to find him a few thousand votes. And knowing he did that there are still almost 50% of the US voting public who will vote for him again - unbelievable.

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Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

I went to bed at 1:00 a.m. and Trump had the election well in hand. I woke up at 6:00 a.m. and everything had changed. Do really believe there weren't shady dealings? No politician can be trusted, but Democrats in particular.

So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

How is it that all involved have managed to keep it under their hats and no one in Almost 4 years has come up with any credible evidence on how it was done.

How is it that those that all those court cases bought by people who think as you do have been tossed out. Is that a huge coverup too, all the judges have been gotten at?

All the people who promised biblical earth shattering evidence “ in just a few days” like Sidney whatever her name was have crawled away quietly and in some cases admitted they were just plain lying?

The only actual evidence of someone trying to “fix” an election was the guy who lost, who was calling an election official and asking him to find him a few thousand votes. And knowing he did that there are still almost 50% of the US voting public who will vote for him again - unbelievable.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike,

I went to bed at 1:00 a.m. and Trump had the election well in hand. I woke up at 6:00 a.m. and everything had changed. Do really believe there weren't shady dealings? No politician can be trusted, but Democrats in particular.

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So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

Under the rules of the 2020 election…all was “likely” legal.

The influence came in the form of vote harvesting NGOs — Abram’s Fair Fight is a good example.

The rule changes on how ballots could be turned in combined with no valid method of ballot authenticity verification made the election ripe for the picking in close states. These rules were hurried into place in 2020 under the guise of COVID.

Remember only 40,000 votes spread across 5 states separated the election.

These NGOs went into section 8 housing districts and literally harvested 1000’s of votes. They were able to collect and deliver these ballots legally under the rules in place for the pandemic.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

Under the rules of the 2020 election…all was “likely” legal.

The influence came in the form of vote harvesting NGOs — Abram’s Fair Fight is a good example.

The rule changes on how ballots could be turned in combined with no valid method of ballot authenticity verification made the election ripe for the picking in close states. These rules were hurried into place in 2020 under the guise of COVID.

Remember only 40,000 votes spread across 5 states separated the election.

These NGOs went into section 8 housing districts and literally harvested 1000’s of votes. They were able to collect and deliver these ballots legally under the rules in place for the pandemic.

And?

Any actual evidence of fraud? Wrongdoing?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

Under the rules of the 2020 election…all was “likely” legal.

The influence came in the form of vote harvesting NGOs — Abram’s Fair Fight is a good example.

The rule changes on how ballots could be turned in combined with no valid method of ballot authenticity verification made the election ripe for the picking in close states. These rules were hurried into place in 2020 under the guise of COVID.

Remember only 40,000 votes spread across 5 states separated the election.

These NGOs went into section 8 housing districts and literally harvested 1000’s of votes. They were able to collect and deliver these ballots legally under the rules in place for the pandemic.

And?

Any actual evidence of fraud? Wrongdoing?

Are you unable to read?

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Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

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Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

Historically, a ballot must be filled out and filed by the person owning the ballot with some verification of authenticity and one vote per one person.

In the 2020 election, NGOs and other 3rd parties were allowed to gather and turn in votes for groups of people.

Often times signature matching from voter registration is used to verify the owner of the ballot is legit.

Thus in the close battleground states where a harvestable amount of votes could change the election…NGOs exploited these rule changes by targeting low-income housing complexes. They gathered (harvested) votes and turned them in. Often times they even brought gifts (cheap alcohol, cigarettes etc etc) to entice good compliance. As we all know…looking at signatures and visually matching them for correctness is difficult. Thousands were marked as unverifiable…but judges ruled the benefit of the doubt must go to the voter and they just didn’t verify.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

So how was this underhand election steal pulled off?

Under the rules of the 2020 election…all was “likely” legal.

The influence came in the form of vote harvesting NGOs — Abram’s Fair Fight is a good example.

The rule changes on how ballots could be turned in combined with no valid method of ballot authenticity verification made the election ripe for the picking in close states. These rules were hurried into place in 2020 under the guise of COVID.

Remember only 40,000 votes spread across 5 states separated the election.

These NGOs went into section 8 housing districts and literally harvested 1000’s of votes. They were able to collect and deliver these ballots legally under the rules in place for the pandemic.

And?

Any actual evidence of fraud? Wrongdoing?

Are you unable to read?

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

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Makes you look like a moron.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

Historically, a ballot must be filled out and filed by the person owning the ballot with some verification of authenticity and one vote per one person.

In the 2020 election, NGOs and other 3rd parties were allowed to gather and turn in votes for groups of people.

Often times signature matching from voter registration is used to verify the owner of the ballot is legit.

Thus in the close battleground states where a harvestable amount of votes could change the election…NGOs exploited these rule changes by targeting low-income housing complexes. They gathered (harvested) votes and turned them in. Often times they even brought gifts (cheap alcohol, cigarettes etc etc) to entice good compliance. As we all know…looking at signatures and visually matching them for correctness is difficult. Thousands were marked as unverifiable…but judges ruled the benefit of the doubt must go to the voter and they just didn’t verify.

In other words....trump really won. Because there was some fraud and some harvested votes that no evidence exists ever occurred...other than the right wing conservative media and your imagination. That 62 lawsuits failed to reveal. Right?

Lane, you are an idiot. No offense but posting up this kind of shit is laughable. Makes you look like a moron.

Laughable asshole.

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Originally posted by nute:
I don't see anything wrong with bussing folks in to vote who otherwise would find it difficult to do so, or maybe wouldn't bother.

Also I cant see why asking for some form of ID should be a problem.

The whole of the western world has elections and they all seem to manage without controversy, without endless law suits, without allegations of fraud or election stealing ... the only country where it seems to be a problem is the US. How hard can it be?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

Historically, a ballot must be filled out and filed by the person owning the ballot with some verification of authenticity and one vote per one person.

In the 2020 election, NGOs and other 3rd parties were allowed to gather and turn in votes for groups of people.

Often times signature matching from voter registration is used to verify the owner of the ballot is legit.

Thus in the close battleground states where a harvestable amount of votes could change the election…NGOs exploited these rule changes by targeting low-income housing complexes. They gathered (harvested) votes and turned them in. Often times they even brought gifts (cheap alcohol, cigarettes etc etc) to entice good compliance. As we all know…looking at signatures and visually matching them for correctness is difficult. Thousands were marked as unverifiable…but judges ruled the benefit of the doubt must go to the voter and they just didn’t verify.

In other words....trump really won. Because there was some fraud and some harvested votes that no evidence exists ever occurred...other than the right wing conservative media and your imagination. That 62 lawsuits failed to reveal. Right?

Lane, you are an idiot. No offense but posting up this kind of shit is laughable. Makes you look like a moron.

Laughable asshole.

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Originally posted by nute:
I don't see anything wrong with bussing folks in to vote who otherwise would find it difficult to do so, or maybe wouldn't bother.

I don’t either…
{that would imply taking them in, letting them fill out their ballot in private and they dropping it in the box themselves}
…but that is not what happens.

Also I cant see why asking for some form of ID should be a problem.

The whole of the western world has elections and they all seem to manage without controversy, without endless law suits, without allegations of fraud or election stealing ... the only country where it seems to be a problem is the US. How hard can it be?

Some like to keep it that way.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
I don't see anything wrong with bussing folks in to vote who otherwise would find it difficult to do so, or maybe wouldn't bother.

I don’t either…
{that would imply taking them in, letting them fill out their ballot in private and they dropping it in the box themselves}
…but that is not what happens.

Also I cant see why asking for some form of ID should be a problem.

The whole of the western world has elections and they all seem to manage without controversy, without endless law suits, without allegations of fraud or election stealing ... the only country where it seems to be a problem is the US. How hard can it be?

Some like to keep it that way.

Creating a sense of doubt and undermining the legitimacy of our institutions is basis of the MAGA movements game plan, the exact reason why Trump was able to foment the attack on our Capital on J the 6th.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
I don't see anything wrong with bussing folks in to vote who otherwise would find it difficult to do so, or maybe wouldn't bother.

I don’t either…
{that would imply taking them in, letting them fill out their ballot in private and they dropping it in the box themselves}
…but that is not what happens.

Also I cant see why asking for some form of ID should be a problem.

The whole of the western world has elections and they all seem to manage without controversy, without endless law suits, without allegations of fraud or election stealing ... the only country where it seems to be a problem is the US. How hard can it be?

Some like to keep it that way.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
And what is meant by “ harvesting “ votes? I don’t understand the meaning here.

Section 8 is state assistance for lower income people to rent privately owned housing isn’t it?

I’m not sure what you are getting at here Lane.

Historically, a ballot must be filled out and filed by the person owning the ballot with some verification of authenticity and one vote per one person.

In the 2020 election, NGOs and other 3rd parties were allowed to gather and turn in votes for groups of people.

Often times signature matching from voter registration is used to verify the owner of the ballot is legit.

Thus in the close battleground states where a harvestable amount of votes could change the election…NGOs exploited these rule changes by targeting low-income housing complexes. They gathered (harvested) votes and turned them in. Often times they even brought gifts (cheap alcohol, cigarettes etc etc) to entice good compliance. As we all know…looking at signatures and visually matching them for correctness is difficult. Thousands were marked as unverifiable…but judges ruled the benefit of the doubt must go to the voter and they just didn’t verify.

In other words....trump really won. Because there was some fraud and some harvested votes that no evidence exists ever occurred...other than the right wing conservative media and your imagination. That 62 lawsuits failed to reveal. Right?

Lane, you are an idiot. No offense but posting up this kind of shit is laughable. Makes you look like a moron.

Laughable asshole.

Dr. Easter cannot answer why the Dems could not “vote harvest” a Governor election that was on the ballot the same time Trump was.

I have many times and the answer is easy…margins. If margins are too great…hard to vote harvest a candidate in. It is no surprise that a local GA Republican would have a wider margin than an outsider candidate.

We know the reason. It is simple more folks in GA voted legally for President Biden while Gov Kemp also got the most votes in the governor’s race.

I have always said it was legal in 2020.

There was no fraud, deceit, malfeasance, not sanctioned “irregularities.”

Plenty of deceit and irregularity.

The voters of GA simply rejected Trump by majority vote in accordance w state and fed law just like they accepted Kemp.

Albeit influenced by (probably) legally harvested votes which with tight margins definitely had an influence.

De. Easter knows this.

I know exactly what I have said. Don’t put words in my mouth.

He knows he is selling a lie. He is selling a lie bc he wants his view of politics to win.

He refuses to be a voice that moderates the GOap back to the center to be viable.

I refuse to appease, forfeit rights, and compromise on what I see as the correct path for our country.

Instead, he has chosen to side with those who seek to delegitimize our system.

The election system has flaws. No, I am not willing to just accept them.

The goal being to convince enough people that malfeasance won the day use that feeling of wrong doing to drive people to the polls in favor of the martyr Trump.

Malfeasance, in the most general of definition, did win the day in the COVID era.

Instead of trying to make things better and correct, he has chosen poison, angry, division, and deceit.

Wrong! Before one can correct a problem, one must understand and acknowledge the problem. I acknowledge.

I hope he loses again for the 4 straight time in GA.

Then you are spiteful and are willing to sacrifice the good of the country. But many of us figured that out long ago.

News flash, Harris can lose GA, NC, and AZ and still win.

Funny, if Dems could still rig GA president’s race statewide, but fail to rig the state wide gov’s race, why could the Dems w a Dem Gov and Dem AG not rig N Carolina a state wide president’s race that Trump won after beating the Dem in 2016 and 2020? Dr. Easter has never addressed this when asked either.

The answer lies in the margins and the strength of “Community (D) Organization” within the state.

Texas’ greatest Cristal thinker has to ponder those two scenarios out.

Been understandable for years now for those who have investigated.

The answer is there was no rigging sanctioned by law or otherwise.

Joshua, you are part of “the system.” You LOVE “the system.” You defend “the system” at all costs…even when it fails. You are part of the problem.

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Originally posted by nute:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by nute:
I don't see anything wrong with bussing folks in to vote who otherwise would find it difficult to do so, or maybe wouldn't bother.

I don’t either…
{that would imply taking them in, letting them fill out their ballot in private and they dropping it in the box themselves}
…but that is not what happens.

Also I cant see why asking for some form of ID should be a problem.

The whole of the western world has elections and they all seem to manage without controversy, without endless law suits, without allegations of fraud or election stealing ... the only country where it seems to be a problem is the US. How hard can it be?

Some like to keep it that way.

So what happens, they knock on doors asking for ballot forms to go deliver to the polling centre? If so that cannot be a secure way of doing things.

Bingo!

Edit to add - just looked it up. Apparently 26 states allow a specified agent to collect / deliver a ballot to a polling station. The specified agent being a family member, career, relation etc. Doesn’t say what the other half of the county permits.

I fail to see why anyone who cannot get to a voting location can’t just mail the vote in. But I see there are objections to postal and early voting too.

How hard can it be, and why is it always America…