His culture of arrogant deceit is making Tesla a toxic brand. He's a genuine son of a bitch.

https://www.reuters.com/invest...steering-suspension/

He is looking like a 21 century tech version of PT Barnum by the day.

No one is making you buy his vehicles.

Manufactures must be held accountable for the products they produce, and their attempts to cover up their manufacturing defects.

You do not know what you are buying to make a choice otherwise. The physical harm also standing.

He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

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He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

BBC, Reuters & AP aren't much better.

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He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

BBC, Reuters & AP aren't much better.

Yeah, AP & Reuters are just full of fake stories and unchecked conspiracy rubbish published by nutters

He is what used to be called an idiot savant…Reminds me of Trump. I’m rich so I can say and do as I please and fuck the truth. Of course, if you are stupid enough to buy into this whole EV joke, you deserve to be fleeced….

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He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

Who is the arbiter of the truth of news?

We know who is not being Elon Musk and his lie of being a Free Speech Absolutist and you.

Do you ever get tired of worshipping people because of their asserted status based on wealth?

Trump and Musk your idea of being a Man.

Any quick reading of the Reuters article pretty much says it all about Musk and Tesla. Buyer beware. Pigs get butchered and sheep get fleeced. Reminds me of Trump.

Fulvio, you are filled with horse-shit, but it is probably good quality stuff. Merry Christmas!
AP, BBC and Reuters on their worst days are so far above Breit-fuckingNazi-Bart, Fox, Newsmax et al ...
Ann, so you weren't offended to find out that Volkswagen out and out lied about its diesel engine emissions?

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No one is making you buy his vehicles.

And I can GUARANTEE you I will never do either.

Or ANY vehicle NOT using petrol!

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He is what used to be called an idiot savant…Reminds me of Trump. I’m rich so I can say and do as I please and fuck the truth. Of course, if you are stupid enough to buy into this whole EV joke, you deserve to be fleeced….

Amazon has a documentary one him, I came to the same conclusion.

Grizz

A classic example of the stupid idiots who buy Tesla!

Ice will freeze ANY DOOR!

But, we normal people know that and make plans!

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Ann, so you weren't offended to find out that Volkswagen out and out lied about its diesel engine emissions?

shit no, they became my heroes.
I looked all over hell for one of those cars.


all they done was make their engines run more efficiently, and pass emissions when they were hooked up to the machine.
clearly how the words in the law are stated.

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He is what used to be called an idiot savant…Reminds me of Trump. I’m rich so I can say and do as I please and fuck the truth. Of course, if you are stupid enough to buy into this whole EV joke, you deserve to be fleeced….

Idiot Savant is a good description. Hes also hard working beyond belief and is not scared to put his "crazy" ideas into action.
What hes not is a super genius. Id say hes on the autistic spectrum and very focussed on what he likes.
Time will tell if his input into the world is a net positive or negative. Which is a shame.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdollar:
He is what used to be called an idiot savant…Reminds me of Trump. I’m rich so I can say and do as I please and fuck the truth. Of course, if you are stupid enough to buy into this whole EV joke, you deserve to be fleeced….[/

Idiot Savant is a good description. Hes also hard working beyond belief and is not scared to put his "crazy" ideas into action.
What hes not is a super genius. Id say hes on the autistic spectrum and very focussed on what he likes.
Time will tell if his input into the world is a net positive or negative. Which is a shame.

Except some of his crazy ideas don’t work and then the coverup begins. Musk=Trump. Narcissists, egomaniacs both.

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A classic example of the stupid idiots who buy Tesla!

Ice will freeze ANY DOOR!

But, we normal people know that and make plans!

So what would you know about ice?

What plans do you make for sleet or freezing rain locking you out of your car?

I lived in Anchorage 42 years where we would regularly get these conditions. Many times I would go my car after work and find it covered with ice. I was never locked out--with a manual door handle. The ice sounds like glass when it breaks around the door.

Sounds like a Tesla design flaw--all of their cars aren't sold in Florida or Hawaii.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdollar:
He is what used to be called an idiot savant…Reminds me of Trump. I’m rich so I can say and do as I please and fuck the truth. Of course, if you are stupid enough to buy into this whole EV joke, you deserve to be fleeced….[/

Idiot Savant is a good description. Hes also hard working beyond belief and is not scared to put his "crazy" ideas into action.
What hes not is a super genius. Id say hes on the autistic spectrum and very focussed on what he likes.
Time will tell if his input into the world is a net positive or negative. Which is a shame.

Except some of his crazy ideas don’t work and then the coverup begins. Musk=Trump. Narcissists, egomaniacs both.

Yep agreed some don't work. But some do. Starlink is pretty good.
Yes hes an egomaniac, But i do think hes different from trump.

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He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

Who is the arbiter of the truth of news?

Well it certainly isn’t Musk. He has enabled fake news and falsehoods like no other.

As an example, false information that Zelenski purchased two yachts spread on Twitter by a congresswoman.

It’s become a cesspit of miss-information for the gullible, and those who choose to consume the inaccurate garbage to reinforce their own viewpoints.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67766964


On X, formerly Twitter, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene said: "Anyone who votes to fund Ukraine is funding the most corrupt money scheme of any foreign war in our country's history."
She linked to a story containing the yacht rumour

Liberals HATE HIM NOW because he Exposed them on Twitter!!!

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Originally posted by nute:
He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

Who is the arbiter of the truth of news?

Well it certainly isn’t Musk. He has enabled fake news and falsehoods like no other.

As an example, false information that Zelenski purchased two yachts spread on Twitter by a congresswoman.

It’s become a cesspit of miss-information for the gullible, and those who choose to consume the inaccurate garbage to reinforce their own viewpoints.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67766964


On X, formerly Twitter, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene said: "Anyone who votes to fund Ukraine is funding the most corrupt money scheme of any foreign war in our country's history."
She linked to a story containing the yacht rumour

Yet I ask again…who is the arbiter of truth. Who is it to which we should give the power to enable or quell what people have to say?

I anxiously await.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:
He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

Who is the arbiter of the truth of news?

Well it certainly isn’t Musk. He has enabled fake news and falsehoods like no other.

As an example, false information that Zelenski purchased two yachts spread on Twitter by a congresswoman.

It’s become a cesspit of miss-information for the gullible, and those who choose to consume the inaccurate garbage to reinforce their own viewpoints.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67766964


On X, formerly Twitter, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene said: "Anyone who votes to fund Ukraine is funding the most corrupt money scheme of any foreign war in our country's history."
She linked to a story containing the yacht rumour

Yet I ask again…who is the arbiter of truth. Who is it to which we should give the power to enable or quell what people have to say?

I anxiously await.

Oh, it must be Elon....why are you such a fanboy?

I do have respect for Elon. Some things he does I dislike others I like.

What I do like are his libertarian principles. I can live with the rest and let him live as well.

I will say though…if you don’t think Elon is intelligent…try to get yourself to where he is and accomplish what he has done and see how difficult it is. It doesn’t happen by accident.

I give the man his due and don’t try to tear him down out of envy.

You could not run fast enough to give me an EV and I think the concept of EVs from an environmental protection aspect is both dumb and hypocritical.

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You could not run fast enough to give me an EV and I think the concept of EVs from an environmental protection aspect is both dumb and hypocritical.

Frankly the outright rubbish that is the "modern" EV tech, including VERY dirty batteries and being charged from fossil fuel electricity is one of the greatest shams that some people have ever bought into.

Lane, I am to and froe from Dallas to Houston several times a month, sometimes just a day trip - no EV can make the round trip without a multi-hour charge - while a $500 camry could do it, with $40 bucks total fuel.

If a $100k (or 25k) EV can't drive the equal to "across Texas in a Day" then someone should be saying "now wait just a dang minute" especially when MOST ev's don't have the same range as a tank full of gas from the same SIZED car - and that car, even new, costs half of less of the EV - and yeah, full tank range is important to me in vehicle selection

One might recall that the first several years of EVs, prior to Tesla, were lease only, as the makers didn't want bad press of the batteries winding up in junkyards/landfills and causing fires.

One day, with at least two full generations of battery development, EVs will make sense - think "shipstones" from Heinlien and others

I would call Musk an arrogant, genius son of a bitch and just leave it at that.

He is everything Trump wishes he was. Unfortunately "Donald The Douche" is just an arrogant narcissist. They do have one thing in common. They are both "enemies of the people".

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He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

BBC, Reuters & AP aren't much better.

Actually, there is NO media which is telling the truth any more!

There are no more journalists.

We are getting opinionated idiots telling us what to do!

I hardly would call Musk an enemy of the people.

Maybe his own worst enemy.

I’d agree he is a genius, arrogant, and narcissistic.

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I would call Musk an arrogant, genius son of a bitch and just leave it at that.

He is everything Trump wishes he was. Unfortunately "Donald The Douche" is just an arrogant narcissist. They do have one thing in common. They are both "enemies of the people".

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:
He has managed to turn Twitter into a site full of fake news, inaccurate and misleading information. I recall reading recently that it has a higher level of misinformation than any other mainstream social platform.

Who is the arbiter of the truth of news?

Well it certainly isn’t Musk. He has enabled fake news and falsehoods like no other.

As an example, false information that Zelenski purchased two yachts spread on Twitter by a congresswoman.

It’s become a cesspit of miss-information for the gullible, and those who choose to consume the inaccurate garbage to reinforce their own viewpoints.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67766964


On X, formerly Twitter, Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene said: "Anyone who votes to fund Ukraine is funding the most corrupt money scheme of any foreign war in our country's history."
She linked to a story containing the yacht rumour

Yet I ask again…who is the arbiter of truth. Who is it to which we should give the power to enable or quell what people have to say?

I anxiously await.

It seems fairly simple. Until recently Twitter had staff who would remove fake news.

All the while there are people dumb enough or gullible enough to swallow misinformation there is a need for platforms to weed it out. I’m not advocating a block on one’s right to voice an opinion, just anything which proports to be news which isn’t.

Others seem to manage it, despite the stupid comment above about AP or Reuters being just as bad, each take care to ensure what is promulgated as factual is accurate.

As I see it, if it’s an open source platform- ie anyone can post, it’s impossible to police for factuality.

Some things could be researched, some would be pretty small interest and a drain on resources, and by definition the fact checkers can be in error as well.

If you understand it’s an open forum, you know there is factual error.

In my mind, I’d rather have all comers be able to speak and allow me to decide truthfulness rather than have an unknown editor making the decisions intermittently and thus making people justify the source as “it’s got to be true, it’s published” (or whatever).

Frankly, I have no interest in Twitter/X but I can certainly disregard it as being a verified source.

It is useful in letting you know what some folks believe as opposed to facts.

Exactly! And it is a cesspool of rage and opinion- with some useful content in between.its useful if you sort out and follow the genuinely knowledgable.

I dont drive a telsa nor am I on twitter. Hard for him to be an enemy in my case.

What makes people think Musk is a genius?

His money came from his father's emerald mine and he's never invented anything except the ugliest, most useless pickup truck ever built. All his great "innovations" he bought from other people, and he paid $44 billion for Twitter when it was worth half that and has managed to devalue it by at least 75% and run off every serious advertiser they had.

The people who think Musk is a genius also think Trump is.

Genius probably is the wrong word. Again I dont understand people who see this as black and white, good and bad.

Hes a visionary who has an incredible work effort and no fear.

Like many of the richest people he has risked loosing it all and may still do.

Vision wise Starlink is an exceptional idea. Space x and reusable rockets is also up there.
His Mars ambitions are out there but I would not put it past him to achieve it. Tesla and Twitter might be flops?

But really its not the success or otherwise of those companies, Its what he chooses to do with them thats the question.

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Genius probably is the wrong word. Again I dont understand people who see this as black and white, good and bad.

Hes a visionary who has an incredible work effort and no fear.

Like many of the richest people he has risked loosing it all and may still do.

Vision wise Starlink is an exceptional idea. Space x and reusable rockets is also up there.
His Mars ambitions are out there but I would not put it past him to achieve it. Tesla and Twitter might be flops?

But really its not the success or otherwise of those companies, Its what he chooses to do with them thats the question.

Starlink isn't Musk's "vision", several companies were working on the same thing before the dot.com bust put them out of business, notably Teledesic and Iridium. Musk just bought bits and pieces and people from them to start Starlink.

Would it be churlish of me to mention that another of Musk's "visions", Hyperloop one, to shoot people from place to place through tubes, shut down today?

The guy is an entrepreneurial genius.

That doesn’t mean he can’t back a wrong horse now and then.

I don’t have a case of hero worship regarding him.

I do admire him for wanting to have an open platform in Twitter. But I do acknowledge his lack of consistency and hypocrisy at times as well.


I do think he’s a bit less hypocritical than Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. Both of whom I feel the same ways towards.

Yep Jeff, it says more about you than anything. Like it or not Musk however is the one whos got the furtherest with these ideas. You can approach him without the need for him to be totally bad or good.

DOC Butlers attitude is an example of whats reasonable.

Not sure why the hate. I look at it he has the money. Even his failures had paid people, likely very well. His money is back in the economy whether his schemes worked or not. Why bitch about that?