quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
All good points but reality can at times be totally different

Here's an example:

https://youtube.com/shorts/plr...?si=gh7kZwaSYaGbvT1c

David, Goliath, and Trade Wars

And another:

https://youtube.com/shorts/xiT...?si=ksaK9qqtgKEJsoR2

Trump Press Secy BRUTALLY FACT-CHECKED in real time

And another:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Msy...?si=XY_Pj6bgEVoGM8U7

Marco Rubio's words come back to HAUNT him

Once more Kabob.
Where is the concrete proof that fox news swayed enough switch voters to trump?
You make the claim, you should show your evidence.

TB40, some things, in reality, are just obvious.

But anyway,

Search on: did fox news sway voters to vote for trump

Results: https://www.google.com/search?...vpQC&sclient=gws-wiz

Come on, ME.

First off even with Fox's overly optimistic ratings calculations, they were not even a significant minority of voters in this country.

Secondly, given the demographics of Fox's viewership, I really doubt they "changed" anyone's vote... if they did, it would be even more statistically insignificant.

It would be like saying NPR or MSNBC got Biden elected.

Echo chamber.

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
All good points but reality can at times be totally different

https://youtube.com/shorts/7TE...?si=A1rxcLdsVTfG8Q6y

Calling Sasquatch Home

0.5%? And has nothing about the demographics I talked about that went up double digit% to trump this time.
That is a big fail to prove your point.
No, it is not obvious until you can prove it, and you have not.
Maybe switch to ET and area 51. You would have the same proof. I BELIEVE! is not proof.

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
All good points but reality can at times be totally different

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...72fe9ebe589bf87&ei=8

'Nobody in your world gets it': Lindsey Graham snaps at CBS host while defending Trump
Story by Tom Boggioni • 2h • 2 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...630f2dfb10d948&ei=18

Project 2025 author says Trump’s adoption of his ideas are beyond his ‘wildest dreams’
Story by Kelly Rissman • 2h • 3 min read

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Come on, ME.

First off even with Fox's overly optimistic ratings calculations, they were not even a significant minority of voters in this country.

Secondly, given the demographics of Fox's viewership, I really doubt they "changed" anyone's vote... if they did, it would be even more statistically insignificant.

It would be like saying NPR or MSNBC got Biden elected.

Echo chamber.

Well at least one vote was somehow changed herein from DumpTrump to Trump supporter. I don't know if it was due to Fox or not, but certainly they have influence on the meatheads.

It doesn't matter if those who were influenced, as if undecided or just BS artists like the DumpTrump guy, were a minority %. When added to those already committed, that minority turned into a statistically significant majority.

And finally you get it right.
"you dont know" and neither do the rest of us.
I would not be surprised if we are in a cycle of one-and-done for presidential elections. It would take someone far different than has been running lately to get a second term.

Confound it Jeff did not vote for Trump. He may defend the Administration now, but the two are not synonymous.

There is no rational to say, “ I did not vote for Trump.” Only fit that person to vote for him, and then defend President Trump’s administration. It cost nothing to be honest. It cost nothing to tell the truth.

We have a secret ballot. No court has said this, but it the secret ballot is fundamental to our constitutional democracy. Let us assume, no reason to, that Jeff voted for President Trump, he and everyone else owed us nothing by means of response, reply, declaration.

The day the vale of the ballot is ripped down is the day we lose fundamental protection of practicing our rights as citizens.

I have never asked but told anyone how to vote. Everyone must by their own conscience. That includes choosing not to endorse.

When the man volunteers he did not vote for Trump, he did not vote for Trump. The inference that he now supports or does not see the same crisis in Trump’s actions is not sufficient to state otherwise.


Has Jeff posted misleading Fox stuff? Yes, the AG’s not having standing is a good example. That bit of misleading thought came directly from Fox. I’ll give Jeff credit, he at least listened to why that was misleading. Do I think he read all the cases cited in the law review article? No. Do I think he should? Yes. However, he understands the issue is broader, more complex, and completely different than Fox was treating it.

It is called debate. If you want to push back l against Fox bring case law, facts, stats, and debate.

1 I usually at least skim the doc, Joshua, and frequently read the whole thing.. if i dont get it, I would then ask my dear friend, chatgpt, to summarize to a non-Specialist

2 Maggie, I removed dump trump from my signature after/during butler assassination attempt

3 I didn't vote for trump. Have said so repeatedly, that YOU question that veracity is more of a statement on your ethics

4 Maggie, if your cult requires you to reject anyone mostly agrees with your social aspects, that's your cult. I have trumper friends who don't really care that i voted for the libertarian party... had i been a fellow traveler to your cult, I would have been "canceled"

It's sad that you can't see more clearly, the good and bad on bith sides... but you see everything through a veil of fears, so there is that

quote:

It is called debate. If you want to push back l against Fox bring case law, facts, stats, and debate

https://apnews.com/article/fox...opy&utm_medium=share

Fox, Dominion reach $787M settlement over election claims

I choose to see the significance. Others can deny it if they want.

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Are you offended Jeffee?

Well let me show you how a man ought to act when he offends someone inappropriately.

I APPOLOGIZE FOR CROSSING A LINE.

Now, you have intentionally offended me several times. Here's another opportunity for you to apologize.

Now let's get back to the OP.

Now I see what the autopen thing was all about. Amplified by Fox, ingested by JTEX.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...936667a12e8bc8&ei=52

Donald Trump Sends Warning To Enemies As He Says Biden Pardons Void
Story by Ewan Palmer • 5h • 4 min read

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Like so much of what Trump says and does, it's a prelude to some scheme or justification. In this instance it's lawfare, vengeance and spite, using the power of office illegitimately if not illegally.

And folks like JTEX think this is perfectly okay.

And another tidbit of evidence is the fact that Trump appointed several people from Fox News, like they were an employment vetting service for Trump.

Such people have no real qualifications for the appointed job except having demonstrated loyalty to Trump and his BS agenda.

The point remains that folks voted against Harris and for Trump.

It may make you feel better that “it was all disinformation !!!” But in reality, your preferred outcome was very flawed.

Trump is also very flawed, but you should take responsibility for your side and your acts. Your shrill “Trump is a fascist!” Offends more than gets agreement. Your side would have been better off finding a less problematic and more moderate and personable candidate.

I’m very clear that I didn’t care for Trump and did a protest vote. I tried to get a different GOP candidate. From what I’ve seen from you, you brought in whole hog to the lefty agitprop and found nothing concerning with Biden/Harris.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Come on, ME.

First off even with Fox's overly optimistic ratings calculations, they were not even a significant minority of voters in this country.

Secondly, given the demographics of Fox's viewership, I really doubt they "changed" anyone's vote... if they did, it would be even more statistically insignificant.

It would be like saying NPR or MSNBC got Biden elected.

Echo chamber.

Well at least one vote was somehow changed herein from DumpTrump to Trump supporter. I don't know if it was due to Fox or not, but certainly they have influence on the meatheads.

It doesn't matter if those who were influenced, as if undecided or just BS artists like the DumpTrump guy, were a minority %. When added to those already committed, that minority turned into a statistically significant majority.

I had no choice but to vote for Trump...... The other choice was Joe light....or kamallalla as you know her.

I don't think I'd enjoy sitting around the fire with President Trump, but I sure like what he's doing!

Did Biden even know what was happening in his name????? The auto pen was sure busy!!!!!

I'm sure Trump uses autopen too.

He just signs the Exec orders for the camera.