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. . . and since Trump raised the issue. Do the Trump supporters here support the idea that the January 6 rioters that were tried and convicted or charged and pled, should be pardoned by Trump? Would be good to hear from the normally vocal Trump supporters, yes or no, should the rioters be pardoned. Stand up and be counted. Mike | ||
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I may not have a degree. But my street smarts knows a well camouflaged trap when I see one.  Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Should he? No. Is the matter w/in his discretion once sworn? Yes. I accept that. Everyone knew he said he would, and he won the election. So be it. | |||
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I think that I may have judged you incorrectly. I applaud and agree with your position.  Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Inexcusable and unforgivable to me. Ann said yesterday, "nobody is above the law!". | |||
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Was trying to have a conversation about right and wrong, but those conversations are impossible here. Right is what my side does, wrong is what your side does. For the record, I think pardoning Hunter, while understandable, was wrong. Mike | |||
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So now you're admitting your a partisan Democrat with a "side"? I think that there are more than one level of J6 criminals. The ones that simply entered, were walking around, I think they have served enough time. Any violent offenders or breaking into congressional offices etc, no. Besides Mike, you admitted that you already judged me, simply for voting for Trump. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I tend to agree that Hunter’s pardon was wrong. Commuting his sentence would have been more appropriate. As to the 1/6 crowd, again, I don’t agree with it as a matter of course. If you can prove some sort of error, ok. If you want to wait 10 years and show that they have been upstanding citizens, then sure. The guys who were convicted of sedition should not be pardoned. The rioters who were convicted of riot or trespassing should not be pardoned. Trump is likely to pardon some of them. He said he was going to, and it’s hardly surprising if he does it- I’d be more surprised if he didn’t. At least he didn’t lie about it like Biden. And yes, they have that privilege. There is a reason that the president typically pardons a bunch of people right before he leaves office- and it isn’t about “justice”. | |||
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So true. There are those indictable, and one who is not. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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100% creepy Joe's words. Get it right. Though I do agree, with the words. Sad that a president says such but then doesn't live by his words. I think we all knew he was going to pardon his idiot son. 0biden never should have said he wasn't going to do so nor should he have spoken the words he said. He now just looks like another 'do as I say, not as I do' politician. A liar. ~Ann  | |||
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Sorry Ann, your double standards are so capricious it's hard to keep up. I'll get you marked down as a "pardon your non violent son-bad!" And, "pardon violent rioters-good!" Thanks for the correction. | |||
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Hey, crime is crime. Hunter was convicted. He should face the music like anyone else. Rioters, etc should be tried and convicted no matter what political party pays them. ~Ann | |||
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It is not just a privilege. It is a vested power. A privilege could be restricted by a statute/act. A vested, enumerated, grant of some discretion cannot be. The separation of powers is real; even if this incoming Congress wants to roll over and play dead to the President. | |||
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It is the president’s privilege to grant pardons. It is a vested authority for a president to grant a pardon. Otherwise a president would be expected to give everyone a pardon. A pardon is not reviewable or subject to another body to agree with it, but it is, in a general sense, accountable to the voters. Thus why they tend to give a large number of pardons right before they leave office, especially after their second term. If they did it before the election, it often hurts them. Note that Trump gave out a bunch to folks and used his giving them to make some political counterclaims in his first term. Again, Hunter Biden’s pardon is legitimate and final… even if I feel it’s wrong to grant it. If Trump pardons every 1/6 defendant it’s also legitimate and final for them, but there will likely be some political ramifications for the Trump administration and the GOP. | |||
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As I said before, I have no hesitation to call bullshit regardless of whether it is on the left or right . . . you apparently not so much. It is good to know though that you have more insight into the criminality committed on January 6 than the judges and juries that heard the cases and decided that certain punishments fit the crime and have determined that commutation is appropriate for some convicted. The only judgment that I pronounced was that apparently you and others place less importance than I do on character, integrity, honesty, loyalty, fidelity since many were able to overlook all those foibles in Trump and vote for him nevertheless. Some repeatedly. [To be clear my point above primarily pertains to Trump primary voters (and those that either lied about voting for someone other than Trump or wrote in candidates knowing full well their vote did not matter and Trump would win but who would have voted for Trump in a heartbeat if the primary was close) after all, they had a choice and still elected to go with the candidate devoid of virtue.] Mike | |||
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Case by case to look at and it’ll show how some can be pardoned and who should not be and lower maybe some of the harsh sentences I’ll leave it at that as I don’t really know much about all the cases as there seem to be a lot of those and each is a bit different Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Michael Flynn admitted he was guilty and was convicted and Trump pardoned him. Steve Bannon was convicted and Trump pardoned him. Ivanka's father-in-law was convicted and Trump pardoned him and nominated him to one of the most coveted ambassadorships. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Look at the Trumpleteers line up to respond. At least Steve had the cojones to sort of kinda respond. Team Trump are brave and forthright souls . . . until they get asked questions that make their heads hurt. Then they disappear quicker than Houdini. Mike | |||
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Pretty sure just "walking around" didn't get one charged or convicted or sentenced. | |||
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Speaking of pardons -- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...fad57e675905cd&ei=31 Trump expected to argue he has presidential immunity now, as president-elect, in new bid to dismiss hush-money case Story by litaliano@insider.com (Laura Italiano) • 15h • 4 min read Trump hopes to make his one criminal conviction disappear prior to his January 20 inauguration. He plans to argue in a filing Monday that he's immune from prosecution even now, as president-elect. Sentencing in the NY hush-money case has been indefinitely delayed by this latest dismissal bid. In a filing due by day's end on Monday, lawyers for Donald Trump are poised to argue just that — that he's immune from prosecution right now. His hush-money case should therefore be immediately dismissed, and his 34 felony convictions wiped clean, his lawyers said last month that they plan to argue. Expand article logo Continue reading "Just as a sitting President is completely immune from any criminal process, so too is President Trump as President-elect," Trump's legal team wrote the trial judge, New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan in a letter dated November 19. Monday is the defense team's deadline for spelling out to Merchan why a pre-inaugural Trump cannot be sentenced and why the whole case must instead be tossed — as if a nearly seven-year investigation and prosecution by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office had never happened. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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But, but, but.... Hunter! | |||
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He might be immune in the eyes of the DOJ for crimes related to OFFICIAL ACTS, but I doubt the state of NY sees it that way. Wh should they? The immunity is only policy and not a rule or law. All of that happened prior to his being elected the first time. Anything that he may have done with his business during his time in office should have nothing to do with his official duties regardless of WHERE the activity took place. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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. . . where oh, where have the Trump faithful gone. Grow a set and express an opinion (or perhaps your silence is your opinion).  Mike | |||
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We are looking forward to four years of the MAGA ARSEHOLE screw ups!  | |||
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I am busy hunting the short OK rifle deer season…thus haven’t been spending much time here. But I will respond just to make sure my stalker is happy. After all, I do consider him a friend as well. I think there are some caught up in the foray that should be pardoned. There are some that did so little harm if any…that it doesn’t bother me if he wants to pardon for as we all have discussed…ALL presidents make pardons we don’t care for. And finally there are likely some bad actors that I would feel strongly that should stay in prison. Thus I do believe a case by case look is warranted and expect some at least to be issued. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Agree with Lane. It depends on what they did. If they assaulted an officer -- no way. If they were along for the ride, maybe. But none of them burned anything down and shouldn't they be judged equally with the BLM rioters who were never even prosecuted? Maybe I'm missing something. | |||
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As a lawyer, you should know better than to equate possible municipal or state charges with cases brought by the DOJ for federal crimes. Shame on you for repeating partisan disinformation. | |||
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I am afraid President Trump can use the Biden pardon to pardon the Jan 6 people. At least most of them. Same out of control justice department that unfairly prosecuted Biden’s most worthless child. We shall see how this plays out. | |||
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Good Morning Mike - I have a legit question about this comment. I posted a thread called "Debanking" couple days ago. There were exactly zero comments from the left on it, why? Because. . . If your side does right and my side does wrong, why is it right for banks and other financial institutions, to decide to not do business with Republican or conservative companies or individuals? I also understand that they are private organizations and can choose to do business with whomever they choose. But, right is right and wrong is wrong and this is wrong. Somebodies political affiliations should not pierce the trust of banking institutions. That, to include firearms manufacturers. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I did not comment because the title gave me the impression of an economic prompt that I did not desire to engage in. I’ll go read the prompt now. I’ll leave the economic threads to our economists largely; except taxes. I reserve the right to comment on taxes. | |||
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Thanks. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I watched it. You are not going to appreciate my views. I’ll will give this much. I am very distrustful of the Patriot Act or any legislation that is designed to make us safer from terrorism as a rule. Look at the CTA that just went into effect. Two fed courts have held it constitutional. One fed court has nationally enjoined the CRA. It probably so a departure from S. Ct., precedent is constitutional. It is bad policy, but not unconstitutional policy. This is federal regulation on citizens with extreme penalties to report income all in the name of safety. It was passed w GOP votes. The concept of preventive justice I see as necessary but dangerous. In general, Punish the people who do wrong. You violate terms of use that are stated you are done. We must way the benefit to the cost. Specifically, I see major encroachment for little to no benefit. Others will disagree. That is fine. Right now, they have won the debate. The conclusion being Government has means to do what you fear wo having to hide behind plausible deniability of private business. | |||
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You are missing a "LOT of THINGS". BLM is about unjustified killing of unarmed black people by cops and by militia. Some whites even actively hunted and killed blacks, chasing them in a truck. BLM is about human rights and freedom for blacks. The protests are seen by some as a threat. Remember the Texas couple who pointed guns at a peaceful group walking the streets? BLM did not indulge in any election interference of attack on democracy to stop certification of elections. The President (Biden or Obama) did not ask the BLM protestors to "fight, fight, fight. Stop the steal etc." - falsely. How is it so hard to understand?
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BLM is about making money for its founder.
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In my home bad behavior by others does not license bad behavior by mine own. https://www.forbes.com/sites/z...-in-property-damage/ $2.73,....... This citizen thinks there should be consequences. | |||
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yes, little naki, you miss and miss-remember lots of things nope -- hasn't been a "militia" killing in this country since the GOP drove down and killed" the KKK - if you spent more than a couple days a decade here, you might learn a truth. BLM was't a grift over the top of george floyd, not a PENNY went back into the community or helped relatives of these victims. yes, back when dems/kkk ran places, 60 years ago, this was the case... you OWN data, that YOU presented shows this, clear as a bell nope, it was/is a grift for the "founders" to buy mansions - do keep up with the actual FACTS, not your fever dreams yes, billions of property damage, rioting and destroying black/minority owned businesses, assaults on police officers, rapes, and murders -- jesus wept, you are several times stupid on this - it was a Missouri couple, in their lawn, when violent protestors tore down the fence of their PRIVATE enclave, and even the streets being walked upon are owned by the HOA, NOT A PUBLIC SPACE, not one inch, of inside the walls was public space and required the persons present to be breaking and entering - you litereally couldn't be more wrong, as usuall ah, but they DID, if you buy YOUR purpose of them, they are meant to change outcomes through riots
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