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Inspeakable betrayal of democracy. https://apnews.com/article/abo...93ddd75522b662d2eb34 There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | ||
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Votes are now "perceptions of intent". There are so many things we can blame Trump for, not the least of which is fomenting this whole culture of when an election produces a result you disagree with you simply declare the election to have been a fraud, the voters to have been deceived, etc. A pox on those that supported Trump in the past and certainly on those currently supporting this hideous enemy of democracy. Mike | |||
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I have never paid much attention to what the majority wanted. I am not anything like the majority of people. A majority of equine surgeons have said things I have accomplished successfully were impossible. I went ahead. I successfully run companies that the majority would fail at. I will never look St. Peter in the eye and say: “Well the majority wanted to make it OK to kill the most innocent humans on earth…so I just went along.” ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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. . . a fact that is the source of continuing hope. Yet you think nothing of seeking to impose your will and views on the majority. Mike | |||
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 I certainly don’t mind standing up for what is right. And in adversity, I will be around when the majority have gone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Both parties do it for different reasons and issues It’s called politics Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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Except you are not the arbitrator of right. Your assertions are not well supported, and are being rejected across the United States. Take a clue. Your advocacy is more harmful than what you want to end from marriage equality, anti discrimination policy, abortion, religion and the state. None of it is libertarian. Your positions are also illogical when you apply an Originalist return to the Constitution reading to things you like. You and those like you are co-signing the GOP to near national ill-relevancy. We have 3 election cycles to prove it. | |||
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Narcissistic personality disorder on full display here. Run that one by your equine surgeon buddies. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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hmm, the US isn't a democracy - I understand what Lane means, and so do you guys. None of us are "here" because the majority of people felt/feel some kind of way. Not a single one - we are all fiercely independent persons. While you might be open to discussing/evaluating someone else's concepts, you would refuse to be forced to change your mind, on simple majority. Heck, If 10 of us got together, it's be more than a few minutes deciding where to eat - and while we might all go together, it still wouldn't change your mind that your choice would have been better. Not Mike, Bill, Joshua, Lane, Jines, me, or others will accept being FORCED to change their minds, just because the "majority" of people wanted that. Oh, you might go along with the program (sure, let's go to waffle house) but you won't ACCEPT the demand to change your mind, without being reasoned with (sure, these waffles aren't terrible, but i wanted texmex) Each and everyone of does what we think is RIGHT, with conditions of society's requirements. Joshua actually affirms this - in his statement of "you are not the arbitrator of right" and then proposes his views on the matter. Thus acting in the role of arbitrator of his "right' We aren't perfect beings, but i would stipulate that the collective we ARE different than the majority. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I get where you are coming from. My hands have a lot more blood on them than you do. But to me, this is the whole point of rendering unto Caesar. The law is what the law is. It may be born of a sin, but you let the Government do what it will. God doesn't hold us responsible for other's sins. Your hands would be clean in that you never either advocated for having one (although I do recall you saying you were of the mind that it was acceptable at one point in time) nor have you performed one. You have tried to convince your children that it is a evil thing to have the procedure (I presume). That is what God expects. Even if it becomes illegal, like violent crime, it would still happen, and, as you freely admit, through grace one who either had one or done one can be forgiven by god (in the christian religion anyhow) or face god's wrath in the afterwards... and God has said in the Bible that we are to not judge each other in such matters. As to the folks who keep tilting at the issue, they would be better off getting it out of politics and go back to Jesus' teaching and try and stop abortion by converting the people to believe as they do and not try to use the law to make everyone behave as they believe. Frankly, while I believe that the majority don't want anything to do with the policy, they also can see instances where they want to have it available (known incorrectable birth defect, rape, incest, health of the mother) and don't trust the government to be able to accurately interpret their own rules. Just like we don't like the anti hunters making rules about how to hunt, the young don't like us telling them how to regulate their sex lives.
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abortion is not regulating anyone’s sex life- other that of the life being terminated the aborted one’s sex life is ended (regulated) along with all other aspects of their life DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Bear in mind that these religious fanatics masquerading as a political Party got their asses handed to them twice, first they tried to rush through a vote to change the standard for voter initiatives to 60%, which they lost, then they lost on the initiative, which they still choose to try to ignore. If it wasn't for gerrymandering and similar underhanded anti-democratic tricks Republicans would be considered for listing as Endangered. They have no interest in leading a democracy based on the consent of the People, they want to rule based on a Bronze-age fairy tale. Like the Taliban. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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and when the majority decides freedom of speech is no longer a right where will you stand as you do that life is not a right - as you now stand DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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does the right to live belong to “Caesar” ? if so we are all doomed to “Caesar’s” whims DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by crbutler: I get where you are coming from. My hands have a lot more blood on them than you do. But to me, this is the whole point of rendering unto Caesar. The law is what the law is. It may be born of a sin, but you let the Government do what it will. God doesn't hold us responsible for other's sins. Your hands would be clean in that you never either advocated for having one (although I do recall you saying you were of the mind that it was acceptable at one point in time) nor have you performed one. You have tried to convince your children that it is a evil thing to have the procedure (I presume). That is what God expects. Even if it becomes illegal, like violent crime, it would still happen, and, as you freely admit, through grace one who either had one or done one can be forgiven by god (in the christian religion anyhow) or face god's wrath in the afterwards... and God has said in the Bible that we are to not judge each other in such matters. As to the folks who keep tilting at the issue, they would be better off getting it out of politics and go back to Jesus' teaching and try and stop abortion by converting the people to believe as they do and not try to use the law to make everyone behave as they believe. Frankly, while I believe that the majority don't want anything to do with the policy, they also can see instances where they want to have it available (known incorrectable birth defect, rape, incest, health of the mother) and don't trust the government to be able to accurately interpret their own rules. Just like we don't like the anti hunters making rules about how to hunt, the young don't like us telling them how to regulate their sex lives. Excellent reply as reasonable restrictions on termination of life in womb should be on everyone’s mind as sensible rule Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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I think he meant "consigning." | |||
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Freedom of Speech is not unlimited. No right is unlimited. So says about 4 dozen Supreme Court Cases. Those on here kicking about majorities being bad are the same ones arguing their communities should get to ignore or imposed upon religious, sexual, racial minorities. Technically, speaking if 2/3rds of the States wanted to remove freedoms of speech from the Bill of Rights through an amendment, then nothing could stop them. Well, war could stop them. | |||
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That was an incredible post!!!! . | |||
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Most, like to think that they are independent spirits that chart their own course, unfettered by the constraints of the majority. The truth is that essentially everyone but for a few weirdos and outcasts, everyone follows the ethos of their tribe. So puff your chest up all you want believing that you are some rugged individualist, but it is a false narrative. | |||
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Except I accept and learn from elections and even the Supreme Court. Dr. Easter rejects those measures. He is almost inconstant with his logic of applying original intent. | |||
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Unfortunately, yes. You have the right to try and change the government but odds aren’t too good that works- see all the totalitarian governments around. Note that the right to life is not mentioned in the constitution… and if we really had a right to life, then no one would die. Kind of like this right to healthcare or shelter that the left claims exists. | |||
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There may be only a limited right to healthcare currently (for the indigent), but what happens when the American people finally get fed up with the abuses of doctors and hospitals? Think they can't create new rights via new legislation? Just wait another decade or generation. | |||
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in order to have the right to freedom of speech religion, assembly etc etc inherent to such rights- one must be alive, ergo the right to live DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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There are legal rights and there are inherent rights. They may be able to write a law granting health care as a “right”… but it involves another person to provide care. What government can offer is a obligation for the government to make sure something is paid for by the government. A right traditionally was something that existed because you are a person. Note that “constitutional rights” are not granting you anything- they prohibit the government from doing something against your rights. | |||
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Bill, if I understand correctly, representatives duly elected by their constituents are using legal process to undermine laws they don't agree with. So it is all legal? I don't see where the anti abortion folks are bombing clinics nor attacking medical professionals, I don't see in this article where the anti abortion folks are breaking any laws, so it seems a stretch to me to declare them "enemies of the people". I understand the polls say Americans want abortion legal, but somebody in America is electing an re electing these anti abortion folks. As usual the leg humpers here have a death grip on Lanes belt loops and are humping away to almost resemble epilepsy, but I haven't seen yet where Doc Lane has anymore than disagreed with pro abortion. I've not seen him advocate for illegal/ criminal deeds or thoughts, no bombs or attacks, just plain vanilla disagreement. How is any of this an "enemy of the people"? I've said for a while that Ilan Omar isn't the real problem, it's that we have apparently American voters that elected her. | |||
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Abortion rights are something that is difficult for me. First, less people = good. Less Democrats = really good. But I have to agree with Lane. We still have to protect the most vulnerable in society at all costs, even if it is not in my best interests. | |||
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to the politicians seeking to substitute their preferences for the clearly-expressed will of the people they purport to represent. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Did any of you nincompoops read the article? I’ll put it so internet cowboys can comprehend, that means understand. This article…and millions of others are called clickbait. Politicians have always decried “this ain’t over” waving a finger in the air and someone who publishes stories on the internet needs your views. Proud Ohioan my entire life….no one is talking about this, at all… but here. We voted. And now we’re all back to work. Hunting is in full swing. Crops are out, Bucks are running. Thanksgiving coming. Seriously. No one is talking about this. “Despicable treason” anybody else hear that in Daffy Ducks voice? | |||
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I'm with you, but as you know, my grasp is normally tenuous. I'm thinking they don't "purport" they actually do represent the will of their constituents, as does Omar or Tlab. I think my representative Peltola is a good example of an accurate or true or honest representative for Alaska. Are the representatives mentioned in the article representing the will of their constituents? I dunno, but the constituents did send them to office. Is what they are doing illegal or un Constitutional? I didn't read that. "Enemies of the people" sounds a bit Rachel Maddow-ish from here. | |||
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The enemies of the people?? POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS! America has made that perfectly clear!  | |||
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In States that allow direct ballot initiatives (should be all of them) once the voters make a binding decision the elected officials of that State should move to implement the expressed "will of the people", that whole "consent of the governed" thing, not attempt to thwart it in preference to their own opinions. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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That's not fair, Saeed, not all lawyers are shitty people, it's just 99% of them making the rest look bad. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Direct Ballot Initiatives are closer to the democracy rather than the Representative Government we experience today. Truthfully, I fear and eshew the Will of the People. The Will gave us Trump, Omar, Faith Based Initiatives and the retreat from Afghanistan. I was for it before I was against it! Has never been truer than with a real Democracy. "Rulers" now more than ever need to serve terms, appointments even lifetime appointments to avoid the vagaries of the ebb and flow of public opinion. The Will of the People is frequently uninformed and plainly wrong. | |||
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"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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You all keep talking about this. I told you…this is internet bullshit!! No one is talking about this in OHIO. You idiots are | |||
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You got that wrong TommyhWker: In fact, you just had a vote in Ohio that dealt with abortion, yet you claim nobody is talking about. Get your head out of your ass. | |||
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Yeah, we Ohioans know we had a vote. We voted. Abortion rights were granted. We’ve moved on numbskull. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. Do you really think you know more about what’s going on in Ohio than someone who lives in Ohio? Nobody in Ohio is talking about this!!! You morons are literally the only people talking about this. That article is 100% clickbait. | |||
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Much to absolutely nobody's surprise it appears that is untrue...
Link "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Oh boy, what don’t you get? Politicians do this every time their side loses. “We’re gonna fight, this isn’t over etc. etc. ad nauseam. Both sides! WE the people who voted, who live and work here are not fucking talking about this at all!! Get it through your dense brain. The article is fucking clickbait end of story!! I talk to fellow Ohioans from all walks of life everyday. Not a topic of discussion in any fucking form. This article is meant to generate views and foment discord. Which it does when read by fucking idiots, IDIOTS! It’s horseshit thru and through. Also I voted FOR the abortion rights. You fucking morons | |||
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It has been my experience that when Republicans in positions of power say they aren't going to abide by the clearly-expressed wishes of the voters it's best to take them seriously, especially since January 6th. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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