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It struck me while driving, today. Going by the polls, the next American presidential election could be a contest between a dead guy and another in jail. Big Grin

Grizz


Worked for Dennis Hof...


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No chance in you-know-what that the country is heading to Fascism on the right... the conservatives wouldn't put up with it.

The whole fascism thing is the Fox news equivalent of the left.


You, sir, are the king of false equivalence and both-sides thing.

Is your crotch sore from riding the fence like that?

"Conservatives wouldn't put up with it" Eeker

Heck, conservatives are those who are putting it up, pushing it, advocating it, blessing it, making plans to implement it, counting on it, all the while calling it something else, spinning it.

Voting for Trump IS voting for 50,000 shock troops, Trump loyalists, to fill the vacancies after the purge.

Are you a Trump loyalist? That's the relevant question if he wins the next election. Fence straddlers like you will easily try to get right with the Orange Geesus police. Where do apologists go when they realize they are not the chosen ones, not true loyalists to the Orange Geesus?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niemöller


XXX

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

FYI - if you ID as "conservative" nowadays, Trump owns you.



 
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fascist trajectory


My intellect has kept me from noticing any fascist trajectory from Trump…

…only a large vertical spike in my portfolio.

I have noticed however that the first thing that actual fascist do though is confiscate rifles. Wink


...actually its peoples assets.

...and either Jeffive or you would make infinitely better POTUS's than Trump (and probably Biden)


Given a Congress peopled with reasonable public servants, regardless of Party control, I would accept that appointment.

As it stands now I would do 150 illegal, immoral and unconstitutional things in the first month, pardon those who carried out my orders, pardon myself and resign.

It would be known as a bloody month when treason's cost came home to roost.


"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
 
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rotflmo

I make my living being “strictly” objective. Yes, I throw fire-balls here strictly for the entertainment of the flame…

…but I am an expert on being objective…

especially when my money is on the table. Wink


You've disguised yourself well then.
 
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rotflmo

I make my living being “strictly” objective. Yes, I throw fire-balls here strictly for the entertainment of the flame…

…but I am an expert on being objective…

especially when my money is on the table. Wink



. . . objective . . . my ass . . .

November 27, 2019

Dow 28121
SP 3140
Nas 8647

November 22, 2023

Dow 35273
SP 4556
Nas 14265

faint


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Nope.

My behind is just fine.

Like all presidents, Trump will pass.

You miss the blatantly obvious. Why didn’t we go Nazi and be done with elections after Trump’s first term? If he is going to turn us into Mussolini ver 2.0, why didn’t it happen?

The one thing Trump is right on is governmental inertia.

That’s not a bad thing. His swamp stopped some of his excesses, just like it stopped some of Obama’s or Biden’s.

You are frantically crying “Fascism!” Hoping to influence enough folks to go along with your “reality” just like the other side uses its rallying issues. That it’s BS is shown by the vast majority of people ignoring your concerns.



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No chance in you-know-what that the country is heading to Fascism on the right... the conservatives wouldn't put up with it.

The whole fascism thing is the Fox news equivalent of the left.


You, sir, are the king of false equivalence and both-sides thing.

Is your crotch sore from riding the fence like that?

"Conservatives wouldn't put up with it" Eeker

Heck, conservatives are those who are putting it up, pushing it, advocating it, blessing it, making plans to implement it, counting on it, all the while calling it something else, spinning it.

Voting for Trump IS voting for 50,000 shock troops, Trump loyalists, to fill the vacancies after the purge.

Are you a Trump loyalist? That's the relevant question if he wins the next election. Fence straddlers like you will easily try to get right with the Orange Geesus police. Where do apologists go when they realize they are not the chosen ones, not true loyalists to the Orange Geesus?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niemöller
 
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rotflmo

I make my living being “strictly” objective. Yes, I throw fire-balls here strictly for the entertainment of the flame…

…but I am an expert on being objective…

especially when my money is on the table. Wink



. . . objective . . . my ass . . .

November 27, 2019

Dow 28121
SP 3140
Nas 8647

November 22, 2023

Dow 35273
SP 4556
Nas 14265

faint


And how much is the effect of inflation?
 
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I don’t know Jines from Adam but he sure sounds like very very educated idiot who loves to look down upon most people


Nothing like standing over your own kill
 
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. . . great point, not. On an inflation adjusted basis the S&P is only up 21% and the Nasdaq is only up 42% since November 2019. Lane may need to reassess his choice of financial advisor . . . objectively saying.


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I don’t know Jines from Adam but he sure sounds like very very educated idiot who loves to look down upon most people


. . . only dumb ones, present company included.


Mike
 
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. . . great point, not. On an inflation adjusted basis the S&P is only up 21% and the Nasdaq is only up 42% since November 2019. Lane may need to reassess his choice of financial advisor . . . objectively saying.


George Santos was in charge of updating their talking points but he got just a mite busy with other things.

His Chief Assistant was the Chairman of the Florida Republican Party but he got just a mite busy...


"If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump
 
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So who do you recommend Mike?

My stuff is behind for the year, so far.

I haven’t kept track from 19 specifically, but it’s not been doing well overall for some time.
 
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You miss the blatantly obvious. Why didn’t we go Nazi and be done with elections after Trump’s first term? If he is going to turn us into Mussolini ver 2.0, why didn’t it happen?



Good God, man, it's not like trump didn't try.
 
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So who do you recommend Mike?

My stuff is behind for the year, so far.

I haven’t kept track from 19 specifically, but it’s not been doing well overall for some time.


. . . seriously, where have you been the last five years?

Dow



S&P



Nasdaq



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Frankly, that looks pretty flat after a rebound post Covid.
 
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Flat? The Dow was around 27000 when Trump left office. Now it is over 36000. The S&P was under 3500 and is now over 4500. The Nasdaq was just over 9000 and is now over 14000. Flat? Sheesh.


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Whats correlation and causation though?

It looks too me like the markets were on a steady path up before trump left office as the world climbed out of the covid induced recession.
Then from about May 21 till now Id say thats generally pretty flat?
 
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Why do the markets matter when we're talking ideology and worldview and outcome?

How would the "markets" respond to Fascism?


XXX

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks"

FYI - if you ID as "conservative" nowadays, Trump owns you.



 
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You uses the word "dictatorship".

The correct word is "Authoritarian".

At first, I think you are technically correct about "dictatorship" but vastly incorrect about Authoritarianism. Definitions are important, but in this arena, arguable. I did look it up, just to remind myself if for no other reason, to try and find a simple distinction, if any.

https://helpfulprofessor.com/a...acy-vs-dictatorship/

Autocracy Vs Dictatorship

Autocracy Example:
Fascism is a subset of autocracy, and it first arose in Italy during the 1920s, led by Benito Mussolini.

The term is derived from the fasces of Ancient Rome, which was a bundle of rods with a projecting axe, representing unity and authority. As Robertson writes, there is no coherent political doctrine of fascism, but they were all opportunistic: they exploited local fears & hatred to gather public support (2003).

Fascism then expresses this hatred (usually racism) in the form of nationalism. This is linked to a “strong man” who can supposedly a country’s problems as long as everyone was loyal to him. He leads a single party that rules by “terroristic domination”, and there is no separation of power or rule of law (Scott).

Between the two world wars, fascist parties also developed in other countries, led by Adolf Hitler in Germany and General Francisco Franco in Spain.

In modern times, “fascism” is often used to refer to any right-wing group or anyone having extreme (especially violent) views, although the term shouldn’t be used so loosely.


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Not to confuse the definitions, there are differences in the definition of dictatorship, autocracy and Authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...arianism_and_fascism

Related to Fascism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...arianism_and_fascism

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Perhaps you will read this article. Of course, it supports my already views, but it shows that many, many others with more knowledge than I have solid basis in experience, training and facts and evidence in support.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...cb64dcee9cc595&ei=12

U.S. Judge Warns Public of Possible 'Authoritarian' Rule
Story by GistFest • 2h


That was NOT me using the word “dictatorship”…that was a quote from the OP linked article.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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So who do you recommend Mike?

My stuff is behind for the year, so far.

I haven’t kept track from 19 specifically, but it’s not been doing well overall for some time.


Listening for the rec myself as I am in the same boat.

With cash drawing some mildly decent interest over the last 12-18 months…I have made up some slack however.

And I never stated above the markets were not climbing out of the COVID pit.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Look at your own damn graph.

It rebounded heavily after the COVID restrictions started ending in 20 into 21. I looked pretty good the first year of Biden. Since then? Inflation and a flat market.

What does it look like for most of Biden's term? Flat, with a lot of volatility. I get it that folks like you in business can make a lot of money on volatility, but folks like me with a day job are stuck using professionals and mutual funds.

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Flat? The Dow was around 27000 when Trump left office. Now it is over 36000. The S&P was under 3500 and is now over 4500. The Nasdaq was just over 9000 and is now over 14000. Flat? Sheesh.
 
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. . . I guess you cannot appreciate that if you were invested in a DJ mutual fund in January 2020, that fund has appreciated 33% since then . . .

2020


Mike
 
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Mike, you are smart enough to understand that where you put your endpoints makes a huge difference.

I’m not so sure Biden had a lot of influence on the post Covid recovery, but Trump certainly had a lot of influence over the Covid drop.

And if the market is doing so well, why the extreme volatility and overall flat performance since 4th quarter 22? You’re the one saying how great he’s doing…
 
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