Just a troll's bait, Mike.

Jim

It was. COUP!!!

Speaking of trolls.

Do you really think there was no willful suppression of laptop facts by the DNC, MSM, FBI and CIA for the (successful) purpose of protecting/insuring Biden’s election?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Do you really think there was no willful suppression of laptop facts by the DNC, MSM, FBI and CIA for the (successful) purpose of protecting/insuring Biden’s election?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

The 2020 election wasn't stolen. You're on Pluto for continuing to assert the position. One would think that an officer of the court would have more respect for the 62 lawsuits that were filed and dismissed in relation to the allegation.

But, assuming you really are an officer of the court (and, I'm starting to doubt it) I guess not.

It was Kamala!

Might I point out to you that I’m just using Hillary’s reasoning when the director of the FBI, shortly before the election, ratted her out concerning her malfeasance with classified information, obstruction of Justice, ad nauseum…

She, and innumerable Democrats, said Trump was an illegitimately POTUS.

TDS, I guess, causes forgetfulness, goose and gander avoidance and ability to disregard inconvenient facts.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Do you really think there was no willful suppression of laptop facts by the DNC, MSM, FBI and CIA for the (successful) purpose of protecting/insuring Biden’s election?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

The 2020 election wasn't stolen. You're on Pluto for continuing to assert the position. One would think that an officer of the court would have more respect for the 62 lawsuits that were filed and dismissed in relation to the allegation.

But, assuming you really are an officer of the court (and, I'm starting to doubt it) I guess not.

It was that idiot traitor Trump who couldn't keep his damned, lying mouth shut.

BTW, does anyone dispute what the reporter related to Congress?

Isn’t that the real question (that has no relation to ad hominem attacks, spaceships and name calling)? If she (the reporter, or for that fact, Hillary) is correct, and I see no valid reason to this point to refute the reporter, at least , perhaps we all should be worried about how rigorously we, as Americans, should demand truth from our candidates and perhaps more importantly, the bureaucrats who wield the real power.

I have a hard time believing that your candidates actually understand the word truth… one in particular seems to think it means whatever is coming out of his mouth at that moment.

Trump tried to retain power he had no right to.
Trump was rejected in the courts.

Most courts held that Trump on the pleadings had not alleged facts of fraud. The Fed pleading standard is a little higher than the notice standard of most states.

OA Supreme Court ruled the process was due under their state Constitution.

Trump and his surrogates in flames the passions of the mob to violence. Trump hoped to use this violence to pressure the. p to unconstitutionally not certify the electoral college vote of the states. Trump has a plan to replace DOK lawyers w lawyers who would carry out this plan.

Trump had the pier and responsibility to stop the violence of the mob. Trump refused to do so because he saw it as beneficial to the goal of retaining power.

It is the unforgivable sin. A defeated Chief Executive using the office to retain power the person is not entitled to maintain. It is the son that goes back to the founding of the Roman Republic with the removal of a tyrannical king.

When this plan failed, Trump called for the suspension of the Constitution, and his immediate reinstatement to power.

That is the truth.

Vote for him if you wish, but that is who you are voting for.

The Constitution gives Congress the power to tax. If the sovereign people want a 60 percent tax on income over 1 million through its elected representatives so be it. That is what Chief Justice Marshall wrote. What is not constitutional, not permitted by our system is the post election behavior of Trump.

He should have been impeached, convicted on articles of impeachment, and barred from running from office as a result if that impeachment.

Trump is a lying egomaniac. If the election was fraudulent, why did 60+ lawsuits fail to produce any evidence… Just asking for a friend

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Might I point out to you that I’m just using Hillary’s reasoning when the director of the FBI, shortly before the election, ratted her out concerning her malfeasance with classified information, obstruction of Justice, ad nauseum…

She, and innumerable Democrats, said Trump was an illegitimately POTUS.

TDS, I guess, causes forgetfulness, goose and gander avoidance and ability to disregard inconvenient facts.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Do you really think there was no willful suppression of laptop facts by the DNC, MSM, FBI and CIA for the (successful) purpose of protecting/insuring Biden’s election?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

The 2020 election wasn't stolen. You're on Pluto for continuing to assert the position. One would think that an officer of the court would have more respect for the 62 lawsuits that were filed and dismissed in relation to the allegation.

But, assuming you really are an officer of the court (and, I'm starting to doubt it) I guess not.

The hypocrisy of the left? Or......its okay when we do it!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Trump is a lying egomaniac. If the election was fraudulent, why did 60+ lawsuits fail to produce any evidence… Just asking for a friend

Evidence gathering and suit preparation takes time. The timeline is extremely short post election.

In the existing timeline, courts will never be an easy place to probe election integrity.

ANYONE that Believes Dementia Joe Biden received 81 Million Votes needs a Physiatrist!!!

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Originally posted by Slider:
ANYONE that Believes Dementia Joe Biden received 81 Million Votes needs a Physiatrist!!!

81 million idiots voted for him!

The other 79.9 millions idiots voted for Trump!

Malevolent?

Honorable Judge
Did you ever hold any Republican to that same standard? Ever?

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
BTW, does anyone dispute what the reporter related to Congress?

Isn’t that the real question (that has no relation to ad hominem attacks, spaceships and name calling)? If she (the reporter, or for that fact, Hillary) is correct, and I see no valid reason to this point to refute the reporter, at least , perhaps we all should be worried about how rigorously we, as Americans, should demand truth from our candidates and perhaps more importantly, the bureaucrats who wield the real power.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Trump is a lying egomaniac. If the election was fraudulent, why did 60+ lawsuits fail to produce any evidence… Just asking for a friend

Evidence gathering and suit preparation takes time. The timeline is extremely short post election.

In the existing timeline, courts will never be an easy place to probe election integrity.

Courts are always the correct place to probe election integrity even if it may not be easy. Trump tried to circumvent the process through force and deception when he failed to prove his case. There is no justification for Trump's behavior, none.

There is a difference between explaining/understanding and justifying.

I had never thought about it before either…but there simply isn’t enough time to properly prepare suit in the timeframe post election until certification. Just as fact.

81,283,098 Americans picked a deranged geriatric supported by a commie BIMBO!

74,222,958 Americans picked a career loser, and a draft deserter.

Why argue??

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Courts are always the correct place to probe election integrity even if it may not be easy. Trump tried to circumvent the process through force and deception when he failed to prove his case. There is no justification for Trump's behavior, none.

NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!
12 States went to The Supreme Court after THE COUP OF 2020. The Justices could be heard SCREEMING through The Walls that all Involved would be Prosecuted for TREASON. In the end The Supreme Court found 12 States HAD NO STANDING!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!

https://the2020election.org/vo...-related-litigation/

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Originally posted by ledvm:
There is a difference between explaining/understanding and justifying.

I had never thought about it before either…but there simply isn’t enough time to properly prepare suit in the timeframe post election until certification. Just as fact.

Does not matter...Trump's actions were simply wrong. The court is the proper place to settle election disputes, force and deception have no place in our politics.

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Originally posted by Slider:

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Courts are always the correct place to probe election integrity even if it may not be easy. Trump tried to circumvent the process through force and deception when he failed to prove his case. There is no justification for Trump's behavior, none.

NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!
12 States went to The Supreme Court after THE COUP OF 2020. The Justices could be heard SCREEMING through The Walls that all Involved would be Prosecuted for TREASON. In the end The Supreme Court found 12 States HAD NO STANDING!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!

https://the2020election.org/vo...-related-litigation/

Not kidding at all. that Rat Bastard Trump tried to steal the election and should be jailed for his treasonous actions.

Way back in 1964 I attended a graduation ceremony for a friend receiving a degree in journalism. The speaker was a national network evening newscaster. His theme, as I best remember it, was. “It is not our job to report news, but to change the world”.

To that time, i absolutely trusted CBS, NBC and ABC and Time, Newsweek and U.S. News and World Report and few others. The 6:00 pm star’s admission was a an epiphany which changed my life.

Did Walter Cronkite have an agenda when he reported a U.S. defeat (instead of a slaughter of Vietnam Congress and whole divisions of NVA) in the Tet battles? Why did Dan Rather hate Richard Nixon to the point of putting the demise of Nixon before honest journalism? (Or the ends justify the means if the ends are getting rid of Nixon.) Was the release of the Pentagon Papers an act of unselfish patriotism or just an attempt to create distrust and disfavor for a sitting POTUS. And all the way to the present, are Nadler and Schiff agenda driven losers/liers with the protection and encouragement of the MSM, or is DJT a despicable man who deserves jail time (or does Hillary and Joe, too.) Was the New York criminal trial fair (not as reported, but as it actually occurred)?

Have I ever called for accountability for a Republican? Of course. I’m not a firebrand Trump fan. I don’t have a MAGA hat. I voted for another candidate in the 2016 primary and would do so again. Is he a crook or seditionist?

To be continued

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Malevolent?

Honorable Judge
Did you ever hold any Republican to that same standard? Ever?

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
BTW, does anyone dispute what the reporter related to Congress?

Isn’t that the real question (that has no relation to ad hominem attacks, spaceships and name calling)? If she (the reporter, or for that fact, Hillary) is correct, and I see no valid reason to this point to refute the reporter, at least , perhaps we all should be worried about how rigorously we, as Americans, should demand truth from our candidates and perhaps more importantly, the bureaucrats who wield the real power.

Anyone who advances the 2020 election was stolen, rigged, result by fraud, or who adopted fur Trump’s return is a firebrand Trumper. The being a firebrand Trumper is regardless of what one says when the above is performed.

The 2020 election was an anomaly in historical context. And certainly, irregular rules were put in place. Was it legal? I believe so. Was it fair and equitable…I don’t believe so.

Nobody stole the election; Donald Trump threw it. He threw it by lying when the truth would have suited better. By talking when he should have kept quiet. By literally telling supporters to not bother mailing in ballots, they wouldn't be counted anyway. Of course, what he meant was for voters to go to the polls in person, but not all of his supporters could figure that out. He threw it by listening to critics who said he shouldn't single out China as being responsible for Covid.
This time around, he can easily derail Kamala by deciding to look more like the candidate who can make sense. I'm not sure he is capable of this. It would probably be better for the country if he did. His VP pick should do most of the talking. He's pretty good at it. Regards, Bill.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The 2020 election was an anomaly in historical context. And certainly, irregular rules were put in place. Was it legal? I believe so. Was it fair and equitable…I don’t believe so.

A legal election and a fair and equitable election are the same thing.

Every mine accept for a few GOP County Clerks played by the same rules.

Trump never got past a fed trial court on pleadings. Al Gore got all the way to the Supreme Court.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Nobody stole the election; Donald Trump threw it. He threw it by lying when the truth would have suited better. By talking when he should have kept quiet. By literally telling supporters to not bother mailing in ballots, they wouldn't be counted anyway. Of course, what he meant was for voters to go to the polls in person, but not all of his supporters could figure that out. He threw it by listening to critics who said he shouldn't single out China as being responsible for Covid.
This time around, he can easily derail Kamala by deciding to look more like the candidate who can make sense. I'm not sure he is capable of this. It would probably be better for the country if he did. His VP pick should do most of the talking. He's pretty good at it. Regards, Bill.

He is throwing the next one too!

Dr. Easter’s phrase inverted is correct. The election was "pure."

There is plenty to suggest it was.

The only objection Dr. Easter really has is he does not like the outcome. Thus, he like Trump, must undermine the election’s legitimacy.

I still believe that any change in the voting process not passed by a state legislature is illegal

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
I still believe that any change in the voting process not passed by a state legislature is illegal

If that were true, and it is not, one would think that Trump's army of skilled and capable lawyers would have been able to prove that in at least one of the more than sixty lawsuits that were filed. Not liking the result of an election is not the same as stealing an election. What was attempted on January 6, that is what attempting to steal an election looks like.

Voting by machines!

NEVER trust it!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Trump is a lying egomaniac. If the election was fraudulent, why did 60+ lawsuits fail to produce any evidence… Just asking for a friend

Has he ever backed up with facts or evidence "ANYTHING" that he's ever alleged?

Who wouldn’t rig an election to stop the next coming of Hitler? Aren’t you beholden to stop this at all costs?

I certainly don't see Trump as the second coming of Hitler.

PT Barnum maybe....

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Trump is a lying egomaniac. If the election was fraudulent, why did 60+ lawsuits fail to produce any evidence… Just asking for a friend

Has he ever backed up with facts or evidence "ANYTHING" that he's ever alleged?

He has made assertions or promises:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0....html?smid=url-share

Trump Declines to Back Away From ‘You Don’t Have to Vote Again’ Line
The former president, in an interview on Fox News, declined to back away from his comments and repeated his argument that if he’s elected, “the country will be fixed” and their votes won’t be needed.

Mr. Trump said to a gathering of Christian conservatives: “You got to get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not going to have to vote.”

In the interview he then reiterated his statement:

“I said, vote for me, you’re not going to have to do it ever again. It’s true,” he said. “Because we have to get the vote out. Christians are not known as a big voting group. They don’t vote. And I’m explaining that to them. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country, you won’t have to vote anymore. I won’t need your vote.”

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Here's something brief regarding Trump's relationship with lies, truth, reality and his supporters:

https://academic.oup.com/book/...irectedFrom=fulltext

Abstract:
“Truth” aims to explain why Donald Trump lies more than any other public official in the United States today, and why his supporters, nonetheless, put up with his lies. The chapter combs the biographical record to highlight some of the most egregious examples of Trump’s untruths and then considers reasons behind Trump’s remarkable penchant for lying. For Trump, truth is effectively whatever it takes to win the moment, moment by moment, battle by battle—as the episodic man, shorn of any long-term story to make sense of his life, struggles to win the moment. Among the many reasons that Trump’s supporters excuse his lying is that they, like Trump himself, do not really hold him to the standards that human persons are held to. And that is because many of his supporters, like Trump himself, do not consider him to be a person—he is more like a primal force or superhero, more than a person, but less than a person, too.

Truth
Reason #1: He doesn’t lie
Reason #2: He lies, but his emotions are true and authentic
Reason #3: He lies, but what he says “could be” true
Reason #4: He’s a con man, but he’s our con man
Reason #5: He is a different kind of being

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
I still believe that any change in the voting process not passed by a state legislature is illegal

If that were true, and it is not, one would think that Trump's army of skilled and capable lawyers would have been able to prove that in at least one of the more than sixty lawsuits that were filed. Not liking the result of an election is not the same as stealing an election. What was attempted on January 6, that is what attempting to steal an election looks like.

Most changes were done by state legislatures.

KY had a statute that in a declared emergency mandated with the Governor and Sec of State to enact voting procedures to “permit” voting.

The legislature through the statute did what you are crying about.

Unlike, Dr. Easter’s form of government, the Dem Gov and R Sec of State worked in good faith. The result was a fair and free election that did not require the courts to tell two public servants to do their job under the statute.

Mjines conclusion in his response above says it all.