Musk pulling the strings?

Soros pulls the strings on the left.

Musk on the right!!

Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

So in your assessment, Musk working to attempt to make our bloated federal government more efficient, and Soro's funding BLM riots, radical DA's that use the law against their political opponents, is the same. . . Noted.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

So in your assessment, Musk working to attempt to make our bloated federal government more efficient, and Soro's funding BLM riots, radical DA's that use the law against their political opponents, is the same. . . Noted.

The Arab mind......

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

So in your assessment, Musk working to attempt to make our bloated federal government more efficient, and Soro's funding BLM riots, radical DA's that use the law against their political opponents, is the same. . . Noted.

Both Soros and Musk were NOT elected.

They shouldn’t have so much influence!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

So in your assessment, Musk working to attempt to make our bloated federal government more efficient, and Soro's funding BLM riots, radical DA's that use the law against their political opponents, is the same. . . Noted.

Both Soros and Musk were NOT elected.

They shouldn’t have so much influence!

The Trump administration has already acknowledged the DOGE has no statutory authority and is nothing more than a think tank of analyzing and recommending government largesse.

Musk has a very easy job.

Start by stopping the private security guards the government pays for Fauci!

And if justice is to be made, send the bastard to China!

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor. Soros was funding an entire movement to destabilize this nation. Both economically and socially.

End result is the same.

For four years!

So in your assessment, Musk working to attempt to make our bloated federal government more efficient, and Soro's funding BLM riots, radical DA's that use the law against their political opponents, is the same. . . Noted.

Both Soros and Musk were NOT elected.

They shouldn’t have so much influence!

The Trump administration has already acknowledged the DOGE has no statutory authority and is nothing more than a think tank of analyzing and recommending government largesse.

They've been there and done that. Don't hold your breath that Congress will cut their own throats.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news...oject-163157563.html

The above article just goes to show what a shit show Congress is.

And the corruption THEY have created is NOT going to go away!

How long do Congress members serve in years??

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The above article just goes to show what a shit show Congress is.

And the corruption THEY have created is NOT going to go away!

How long do Congress members serve in years??

2 years unless they keep getting re-elected then it could be for fuckin ever. Senators 6 years or forever whichever comes first.

Total tenure Uninterrupted Name Party affiliation State Reason for leaving Lifespan
1 59 years, 21 days 1 59 years, 21 days John Dingell (H) Democratic Michigan Retired 1926–2019
2 57 years, 176 days 2 57 years, 176 days Robert Byrd (S, H) Democratic West Virginia Died 1917–2010
3 56 years, 319 days 3 56 years, 319 days Carl Hayden (S, H) Democratic Arizona Retired 1877–1972
4 53 years, 118 days 4 53 years, 118 days Daniel Inouye (S, H) Democratic Hawaii Died 1924–2012
5 53 years, 60 days 5 53 years, 60 days Jamie Whitten (H) Democratic Mississippi Retired 1910–1995
6 52 years, 336 days 6 52 years, 336 days John Conyers (H) Democratic Michigan Resigned 1929–2019
7 50 years, 61 days 7 50 years, 61 days Carl Vinson (H) Democratic Georgia Retired 1883–1981
8 49 years, 320 days 8 49 years, 320 days Chuck Grassley (S, H) Republican Iowa 1933–present
9 49 years, 305 days 9 49 years, 305 days Emanuel Celler (H) Democratic New York Lost renomination 1888–1981
10 49 years, 12 days 10 49 years, 12 days Don Young (H) Republican Alaska Died 1933–2022
11 48 years, 257 days 11 48 years, 257 days Sam Rayburn (H) Democratic Texas Died 1882–1961
12 48 years, 16 days 12 48 years, 16 days Ed Markey (S, H) Democratic Massachusetts 1946–present
13 48 years, 0 days 13 48 years, 0 days Patrick Leahy (S) Democratic Vermont Retired 1940–present
14 48 years, 0 days N/A Sidney R. Yates (H, I) Democratic Illinois Ran for the U.S. Senate in 1962, lost and came back to the House in 1965, retired at end of term in 1999 1909–2000
15 47 years, 159 days 16 46 years, 57 days Strom Thurmond (S, I) Democratic,
Republican South Carolina Resigned in 1956 to trigger special election, won special election and returned to the Senate, retired at end of term in 2003 1902–2003
16 47 years, 3 days 14 47 years, 3 days Wright Patman (H) Democratic Texas Died 1893–1976
17 46 years, 292 days 15 46 years, 292 days Ted Kennedy (S) Democratic Massachusetts Died 1932–2009
18 46 years, 0 days 17 46 years, 0 days Charles Rangel (H) Democratic New York Retired 1930–present
19 46 years, 0 days N/A Joseph Gurney Cannon (H, I) Republican Illinois Defeated in 1890, came back to the House in 1893, defeated again in 1912, came back to the House in 1915, retired at end of term in 1923 1836–1926
20 45 years, 247 days 18 45 years, 247 days Adolph J. Sabath (H) Democratic Illinois Died 1866–1952
21 45 years, 142 days 19 45 years, 142 days J. Lister Hill (S, H) Democratic Alabama Retired 1894–1984
22 45 years, 87 days 20 45 years, 87 days Thad Cochran (S, H) Republican Mississippi Resigned 1937–2019
23 44 years, 0 days 21 44 years, 0 days George H. Mahon (H) Democratic Texas Retired 1900–1985
24 44 years, 0 days 22 44 years, 0 days Warren Magnuson (S, H) Democratic Washington Defeated 1905–1989
25 44 years, 0 days 23 44 years, 0 days Charles E. Bennett (H) Democratic Florida Retired 1910–2003
26 44 years, 0 days 24 44 years, 0 days Richard Shelby (S, H) Democratic,
Republican Alabama Retired 1934–present
27 43 years, 320 days 25 43 years, 320 days Ron Wyden (S, H) Democratic Oregon 1949–present
28 43 years, 320 days 26 43 years, 320 days Chuck Schumer (S, H) Democratic New York 1950–present
29 43 years, 320 days 27 43 years, 320 days Hal Rogers (H) Republican Kentucky 1937–present
30 43 years, 320 days 28 43 years, 320 days Chris Smith (H) Republican New Jersey 1953–present
31 43 years, 299 days 29 43 years, 299 days Justin S. Morrill (S, H) Whig,
Republican Vermont Died 1810–1898
32 43 years, 183 days 30 43 years, 183 days Steny Hoyer (H) Democratic Maryland 1939–present
33 43 years, 152 days N/A William B. Allison (S, H, I) Republican Iowa Retired from House in 1871, elected to Senate in 1872, died 1829–1908
34 43 years, 110 days 31 43 years, 110 days Melvin Price (H) Democratic Illinois Died 1905–1988
35 42 years, 288 days 32 42 years, 288 days Bill Young (H) Republican Florida Died 1930–2013
36 42 years, 241 days 33 42 years, 241 days Henry M. Jackson (S, H) Democratic Washington Died 1912–1983
37 42 years, 157 days N/A Carter Glass (S, H, I) Democratic Virginia Resigned from House in 1918 after being appointed U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, appointed to Senate in 1920, died 1858–1946
38 42 years, 58 days 34 42 years, 58 days John W. McCormack (H) Democratic Massachusetts Retired 1891–1980
39 42 years, 0 days 35 42 years, 0 days John Sparkman (S, H) Democratic Alabama Retired 1899–1985
40 42 years, 0 days 36 42 years, 0 days Jack Brooks (H) Democratic Texas Defeated 1922–2012
41 42 years, 0 days 37 42 years, 0 days Orrin Hatch (S) Republican Utah Retired 1934–2022
42 42 years, 0 days 38 42 years, 0 days Jim Sensenbrenner (H) Republican Wisconsin Retired 1943–present
43 41 years, 362 days 39 41 years, 362 days William R. Poage (H) Democratic Texas Resigned 1899–1987
44 41 years, 320 days 40 41 years, 320 days Dick Durbin (S, H) Democratic Illinois 1944–present
45 41 years, 320 days 41 41 years, 320 days Marcy Kaptur (H) Democratic Ohio 1946–present
46 41 years, 305 days 42 41 years, 305 days Robert L. Doughton (H) Democratic North Carolina Retired 1863–1954
47 41 years, 305 days 43 41 years, 305 days Joseph W. Martin Jr. (H) Republican Massachusetts Lost renomination 1884–1968
48 41 years, 276 days 44 41 years, 276 days Dave Obey (H) Democratic Wisconsin Retired 1938–present
49 41 years, 69 days 45 41 years, 69 days Clarence Cannon (H) Democratic Missouri Died 1879–1964
50 41 years, 59 days 46 41 years, 59 days John C. Stennis (S) Democratic Mississippi Retired 1901–1995
51 41 years, 30 days 47 41 years, 30 days Kenneth McKellar (S, H) Democratic Tennessee Lost renomination 1869–1957
52 40 years, 240 days 48 40 years, 240 days William Natcher (H) Democratic Kentucky Died 1909–1994
53 40 years, 207 days N/A Claude Pepper (S, H, I) Democratic Florida Lost renomination to Senate in 1950, elected to House in 1962, died 1900–1989
54 40 years, 157 days 49 40 years, 157 days William P. Frye (S, H) Republican Maine Died 1830–1911
55 40 years, 10 days 50 40 years, 10 days Ted Stevens (S) Republican Alaska Defeated 1923–2010
56 40 years, 0 days 51 40 years, 0 days Carl Curtis (S, H) Republican Nebraska Retired 1905–2000
57 40 years, 0 days 52 40 years, 0 days Peter W. Rodino (H) Democratic New Jersey Retired 1909–2005
58 40 years, 0 days 53 40 years, 0 days Pete Stark (H) Democratic California Defeated 1931–2020
59 40 years, 0 days 54 40 years, 0 days Tom Harkin (S, H) Democratic Iowa Retired 1939–present
60 40 years, 0 days 55 40 years, 0 days George Miller (H) Democratic California Retired 1945–present
61 40 years, 0 days 56 40 years, 0 days Henry Waxman (H) Democratic California Retired 1939–present
62 40 years, 0 days 57 40 years, 0 days Barbara Mikulski (S, H) Democratic Maryland Retired 1936–present
63 40 years, 0 days 58 40 years, 0 days Pat Roberts (S, H) Republican Kansas Retired 1936–present
64 40 years, 0 days N/A Eugene Hale (S, H, I) Republican Maine Defeated for reelection to House in 1878, elected to Senate in 1880, retired at end of term in 1911 1836–1918
65 39 years, 364 days N/A Jennings Randolph (S, H, I) Democratic West Virginia Defeated for reelection to House in 1946, won special election to Senate in 1958, retired at end of term in 1985 1902–1998
66 39 years, 362 days 59 39 years, 362 days Leslie C. Arends (H) Republican Illinois Retired 1895–1985
67 39 years, 352 days 60 39 years, 352 days Daniel A. Reed (H) Republican New York Died 1875–1959
68 39 years, 320 days 61 39 years, 320 days Mitch McConnell (S) Republican Kentucky 1942–present
69 39 years, 305 days 62 39 years, 305 days George W. Norris (S, H) Republican,
Independent Nebraska Defeated 1861–1944
70 39 years, 305 days 63 39 years, 305 days John Taber (H) Republican New York Retired 1880–1965
71 39 years, 305 days 64 39 years, 305 days William M. Colmer (H) Democratic Mississippi Retired 1890–1980
72 39 years, 34 days 65 39 years, 34 days Max Baucus (S, H) Democratic Montana Resigned after being appointed Ambassador to China 1941–present
73 39 years, 9 days N/A Samuel Smith (S, H, I) Democratic-Republican,
Democratic Maryland Retired from Senate in 1815, won special election to House in 1816, retired from Senate at end of term in 1833 1752–1839
74 38 years, 329 days N/A John L. McClellan (S, H, I) Democratic Arkansas Retired from House in 1939, elected to Senate in 1942, died 1896–1977
75 38 years, 145 days 66 38 years, 145 days Morris Sheppard (S, H) Democratic Texas Died 1875–1941
76 38 years, 55 days 67 38 years, 55 days Fritz Hollings (S) Democratic South Carolina Retired 1922–2019
77 38 years, 9 days 68 38 years, 9 days Richard Russell Jr. (S) Democratic Georgia Died 1897–1971
78 38 years, 4 days N/A John Sherman (S, H, I) Opposition,
Republican Ohio Resigned from Senate in 1877 after being appointed U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, came back to the Senate in 1881, resigned from Senate in 1897 after being appointed U.S. Secretary of State 1823–1900
79 38 years, 3 days 69 38 years, 3 days Russell B. Long (S) Democratic Louisiana Retired 1918–2003
80 38 years, 0 days 70 38 years, 0 days Frederick H. Gillett (S, H) Republican Massachusetts Retired 1851–1935
81 38 years, 0 days 71 38 years, 0 days Wilbur Mills (H) Democratic Arkansas Retired 1909–1992
82 38 years, 0 days 72 38 years, 0 days Dante Fascell (H) Democratic Florida Retired 1917–1998
83 38 years, 0 days 73 38 years, 0 days Robert H. Michel (H) Republican Illinois Retired 1923–2017
84 38 years, 0 days 74 38 years, 0 days Nick Rahall (H) Democratic West Virginia Defeated 1949–present
85 37 years, 320 days 75 37 years, 320 days Ben Cardin (S, H) Democratic Maryland 1943–present
86 37 years, 305 days N/A Robert Crosser (H, I) Democratic Ohio Lost renomination in 1918, returned to House in 1921, lost renomination in 1954 1874–1957
87 37 years, 290 days N/A Bob Sikes (H, I) Democratic Florida Resigned in 1944 to serve in World War II, returned to the House in 1945, retired at end of term in 1979 1906–1994
88 37 years, 255 days 76 37 years, 255 days Nathaniel Macon (S, H) Anti-Administration,
Democratic-Republican North Carolina Resigned 1757–1837
89 37 years, 250 days 77 37 years, 250 days Henry Cabot Lodge (S, H) Republican Massachusetts Died 1850–1924
90 37 years, 169 days 78 37 years, 169 days Nancy Pelosi (H) Democratic California 1940–present
91 37 years, 74 days N/A Alben W. Barkley (S, H, I) Democratic Kentucky Reigned from Senate in 1949 after being elected Vice President of the United States, returned to the Senate in 1955, died 1877–1956
92 37 years, 60 days 79 37 years, 60 days Henry B. González (H) Democratic Texas Retired 1916–2000
93 37 years, 6 days N/A Francis E. Warren (S, I) Republican Wyoming Defeated for reelection in 1892, returned to the Senate in 1895, died 1844–1929
94 36 years, 83 days N/A James Eastland (S, I) Democratic Mississippi Appointment expired in 1941 after special election, elected in 1942, resigned 1904–1986
95 36 years, 12 days 80 36 years, 12 days Joe Biden (S) Democratic Delaware Elected Vice President of the United States 1942–present
96 36 years, 10 days 81 36 years, 10 days Frank Pallone (H) Democratic New Jersey 1951–present
97 36 years, 3 days 82 36 years, 3 days John Murtha (H) Democratic Pennsylvania Died 1932–2010
98 36 years, 0 days 83 36 years, 0 days Henry L. Dawes (S, H) Republican Massachusetts Retired 1816–1903
99 36 years, 0 days 84 36 years, 0 days F. Edward Hébert (H) Democratic Louisiana Retired 1901–1979
100 36 years, 0 days 85 36 years, 0 days Edward Boland (H) Democratic Massachusetts Retired 1911–2001
101 36 years, 0 days 86 36 years, 0 days William Broomfield (H) Republican Michigan Retired 1922–2019
102 36 years, 0 days 87 36 years, 0 days Dan Rostenkowski (H) Democratic Illinois Defeated 1928–2010
103 36 years, 0 days 88 36 years, 0 days Neal Smith (H) Democratic Iowa Defeated 1920–2021
104 36 years, 0 days 89 36 years, 0 days Claiborne Pell (S) Democratic Rhode Island Retired 1918–2009
105 36 years, 0 days 90 36 years, 0 days Joseph M. McDade (H) Republican Pennsylvania Retired 1931–2017
106 36 years, 0 days 91 36 years, 0 days Paul Sarbanes (S, H) Democratic Maryland Retired 1933–2020
107 36 years, 0 days 92 36 years, 0 days Pete Domenici (S) Republican New Mexico Retired 1932–2017
108 36 years, 0 days 93 36 years, 0 days Ralph Regula (H) Republican Ohio Retired 1924–2017
109 36 years, 0 days 94 36 years, 0 days Chris Dodd (S, H) Democratic Connecticut Retired 1944–present
110 36 years, 0 days 95 36 years, 0 days Jim Oberstar (H) Democratic–Farmer–Labor Minnesota Defeated 1934–2014
111 36 years, 0 days 96 36 years, 0 days Richard Lugar (S) Republican Indiana Lost renomination 1932–2019
112 36 years, 0 days 97 36 years, 0 days Daniel Akaka (S, H) Democratic Hawaii Retired 1924–2018
113 36 years, 0 days 98 36 years, 0 days Norm Dicks (H) Democratic Washington Retired 1940–present
114 36 years, 0 days 99 36 years, 0 days Dale Kildee (H) Democratic Michigan Retired 1929–2021
115 36 years, 0 days 100 36 years, 0 days Carl Levin (S) Democratic Michigan Retired 1934–2021
116 36 years, 0 days 101 36 years, 0 days Sander Levin (H) Democratic Michigan Retired 1931–present
117 36 years, 0 days 102 36 years, 0 days Pete Visclosky (H) Democratic Indiana Retired 1949–present
118 36 years, 0 days 103 36 years, 0 days Jim Inhofe (S, H) Republican Oklahoma Resigned 1934–2024
119 36 years, 0 days 104 36 years, 0 days Peter DeFazio (H) Democratic Oregon Retired 1947–present
120 36 years, 0 days 105 36 years, 0 days Fred Upton (H) Republican Michigan Retired 1953–present
121 36 years, 0 days N/A Shelby M. Cullom (S, H, I) Republican Illinois Lost renomination to House in 1870, elected to Senate in 1882, retired at end of term in 1913 1829–1914
U.S. Senate time
The 90th Congress was notable because for a period of 10 days (December 24, 1968 – January 3, 1969), it contained within the Senate, all 10 of what was at one point the top 10 longest-serving senators in history (Byrd, Inouye, Thurmond, Kennedy, Hayden, Stennis, Stevens, Hollings, Russell Jr., and Long) until January 7, 2013, when Patrick Leahy surpassed Russell B. Long as the 10th longest-serving senator in history. This short 10-day period stretched from the appointment of Ted Stevens of Alaska to fill a vacancy, to the retirement of Carl Hayden of Arizona early the next year. The 107th Congress (2001–2003) was the most recent one to contain the top 7 longest serving senators in history (Byrd, Inouye, Leahy, Thurmond, Kennedy, Grassley, and Hatch).

The 99th Congress (1985–1987) and the 100th Congress (1987–1989) were the periods in which most people from this list were serving together (all but Hayden, Russell Jr., Warren, Eastland, Magnuson, and Shelby in the former and all but Hayden, Russell Jr., Long, Warren, Eastland, and Magnuson in the latter).

Total tenure Uninterrupted Name Party affiliation State Dates of service Lifespan
1 51 years, 176 days 1 51 years, 176 days Robert Byrd Democratic West Virginia January 3, 1959 – June 28, 2010 1917–2010
2 49 years, 349 days 2 49 years, 349 days Daniel Inouye Democratic Hawaii January 3, 1963 – December 17, 2012 1924–2012
3 48 years, 0 days 3 48 years, 0 days Patrick Leahy Democratic Vermont January 3, 1975 – January 3, 2023 1940–present
4 47 years, 159 days 5 46 years, 57 days Strom Thurmond (I) Democratic,
Republican South Carolina December 24, 1954 – April 7, 1956
November 7, 1956 – January 3, 2003 1902–2003
5 46 years, 292 days 4 46 years, 292 days Ted Kennedy Democratic Massachusetts November 7, 1962 – August 25, 2009 1932–2009
6 43 years, 320 days 6 43 years, 320 days Chuck Grassley Republican Iowa Since January 3, 1981 1933–present
7 42 years, 0 days 7 42 years, 0 days Orrin Hatch Republican Utah January 3, 1977 – January 3, 2019 1934–2022
8 41 years, 305 days 8 41 years, 305 days Carl Hayden Democratic Arizona March 4, 1927 – January 3, 1969 1877–1972
9 41 years, 59 days 9 41 years, 59 days John C. Stennis Democratic Mississippi November 5, 1947 – January 3, 1989 1901–1995
10 40 years, 10 days 10 40 years, 10 days Ted Stevens Republican Alaska December 24, 1968 – January 3, 2009 1923–2010
11 39 years, 320 days 11 39 years, 320 days Mitch McConnell Republican Kentucky Since January 3, 1985 1942–present
12 39 years, 94 days 12 39 years, 94 days Thad Cochran Republican Mississippi December 27, 1978 – April 1, 2018 1937–2019
13 38 years, 55 days 13 38 years, 55 days Fritz Hollings Democratic South Carolina November 9, 1966 – January 3, 2005 1922–2019
14 38 years, 9 days 14 38 years, 9 days Richard Russell Jr. Democratic Georgia January 12, 1933 – January 21, 1971 1897–1971
15 38 years, 3 days 15 38 years, 3 days Russell B. Long Democratic Louisiana December 31, 1948 – January 3, 1987 1918–2003
16 37 years, 6 days N/A Francis E. Warren (I) Republican Wyoming November 24, 1890 – March 4, 1893
March 4, 1895 – November 24, 1929 1844–1929
17 36 years, 83 days N/A James Eastland (I) Democratic Mississippi June 30 – September 28, 1941
January 3, 1943 – December 27, 1978 1904–1986
18 36 years, 20 days 16 36 years, 20 days Warren Magnuson Democratic Washington December 14, 1944 – January 3, 1981 1905–1989
19 36 years, 12 days 17 36 years, 12 days Joe Biden Democratic Delaware January 3, 1973 – January 15, 2009 1942–present
20 36 years, 0 days 18 36 years, 0 days Claiborne Pell Democratic Rhode Island January 3, 1961 – January 3, 1997 1918–2009
21 36 years, 0 days 19 36 years, 0 days Pete Domenici Republican New Mexico January 3, 1973 – January 3, 2009 1932–2017
22 36 years, 0 days 20 36 years, 0 days Richard Lugar Republican Indiana January 3, 1977 – January 3, 2013 1932–2019
23 36 years, 0 days 21 36 years, 0 days Carl Levin Democratic Michigan January 3, 1979 – January 3, 2015 1934–2021
24 36 years, 0 days 22 36 years, 0 days Richard Shelby Democratic,
Republican Alabama January 3, 1987 – January 3, 2023 1934–present
U.S. House time
Total tenure Uninterrupted Name Party affiliation State Dates of service Lifespan
1 59 years, 21 days 1 59 years, 21 days John Dingell Democratic Michigan December 13, 1955 – January 3, 2015 1926–2019
2 53 years, 60 days 2 53 years, 60 days Jamie Whitten Democratic Mississippi November 4, 1941 – January 3, 1995 1910–1995
3 52 years, 336 days 3 52 years, 336 days John Conyers Democratic Michigan January 3, 1965 – December 5, 2017 1929–2019
4 50 years, 61 days 4 50 years, 61 days Carl Vinson Democratic Georgia November 3, 1914 – January 3, 1965 1883–1981
5 49 years, 305 days 5 49 years, 305 days Emanuel Celler Democratic New York March 4, 1923 – January 3, 1973 1888–1981
6 49 years, 12 days 6 49 years, 12 days Don Young Republican Alaska March 6, 1973 – March 18, 2022 1933–2022
7 48 years, 257 days 7 48 years, 257 days Sam Rayburn Democratic Texas March 4, 1913 – November 16, 1961 1882–1961
8 48 years, 0 days N/A Sidney R. Yates (I) Democratic Illinois January 3, 1949 – January 3, 1963
January 3, 1965 – January 3, 1999 1909–2000
9 47 years, 3 days 8 47 years, 3 days Wright Patman Democratic Texas March 4, 1929 – March 7, 1976 1893–1976
10 46 years, 0 days 9 46 years, 0 days Charles Rangel Democratic New York January 3, 1971 – January 3, 2017 1930–present
11 46 years, 0 days N/A Joseph Gurney Cannon (I) Republican Illinois March 4, 1873 – March 3, 1891
March 4, 1893 – March 3, 1913
March 4, 1915 – March 3, 1923 1836–1926
12 45 years, 247 days 10 45 years, 247 days Adolph J. Sabath Democratic Illinois March 4, 1907 – November 6, 1952 1866–1952
13 44 years, 0 days 11 44 years, 0 days George H. Mahon Democratic Texas January 3, 1935 – January 3, 1979 1900–1985
14 44 years, 0 days 12 44 years, 0 days Charles E. Bennett Democratic Florida January 3, 1949 – January 3, 1993 1910–2003
15 43 years, 320 days 13 43 years, 320 days Hal Rogers Republican Kentucky Since January 3, 1981 1937–present
16 43 years, 320 days 14 43 years, 320 days Chris Smith Republican New Jersey Since January 3, 1981 1953–present
17 43 years, 183 days 15 43 years, 183 days Steny Hoyer Democratic Maryland Since May 19, 1981 1939–present
18 43 years, 110 days 16 43 years, 110 days Melvin Price Democratic Illinois January 3, 1945 – April 22, 1988 1905–1988
19 42 years, 288 days 17 42 years, 288 days Bill Young Republican Florida January 3, 1971 – October 18, 2013 1930–2013
20 42 years, 58 days 18 42 years, 58 days John W. McCormack Democratic Massachusetts November 6, 1928 – January 3, 1971 1891–1980
21 42 years, 0 days 19 42 years, 0 days Jack Brooks Democratic Texas January 3, 1953 – January 3, 1995 1922–2012
22 42 years, 0 days 20 42 years, 0 days Jim Sensenbrenner Republican Wisconsin January 3, 1979 – January 3, 2021 1943–present
23 41 years, 362 days 21 41 years, 362 days William R. Poage Democratic Texas January 3, 1937 – December 31, 1978 1899–1987
24 41 years, 320 days 22 41 years, 320 days Marcy Kaptur Democratic Ohio Since January 3, 1983 1946–present
25 41 years, 305 days 23 41 years, 305 days Robert L. Doughton Democratic North Carolina March 4, 1911 – January 3, 1953 1863–1954
26 41 years, 305 days 24 41 years, 305 days Joseph W. Martin Jr. Republican Massachusetts March 4, 1925 – January 3, 1967 1884–1968
27 41 years, 276 days 25 41 years, 276 days Dave Obey Democratic Wisconsin April 1, 1969 – January 3, 2011 1938–present
28 41 years, 69 days 26 41 years, 69 days Clarence Cannon Democratic Missouri March 4, 1923 – May 12, 1964 1879–1964
29 40 years, 240 days 27 40 years, 240 days William Natcher Democratic Kentucky August 1, 1953 – March 29, 1994 1909–1994
30 40 years, 0 days 28 40 years, 0 days Peter W. Rodino Democratic New Jersey January 3, 1949 – January 3, 1989 1909–2005
31 40 years, 0 days 29 40 years, 0 days Pete Stark Democratic California January 3, 1973 – January 3, 2013 1931–2020
32 40 years, 0 days 30 40 years, 0 days George Miller Democratic California January 3, 1975 – January 3, 2015 1945–present
33 40 years, 0 days 31 40 years, 0 days Henry Waxman Democratic California January 3, 1975 – January 3, 2015 1939–present
34 39 years, 362 days 32 39 years, 362 days Leslie C. Arends Republican Illinois January 3, 1935 – December 31, 1974 1895–1985
35 39 years, 352 days 33 39 years, 352 days Daniel A. Reed Republican New York March 4, 1919 – February 19, 1959 1875–1959
36 39 years, 305 days 34 39 years, 305 days John Taber Republican New York March 4, 1923 – January 3, 1963 1880–1965
37 39 years, 305 days 35 39 years, 305 days William M. Colmer Democratic Mississippi March 4, 1933 – January 3, 1973 1890–1980
38 38 years, 0 days 36 38 years, 0 days Wilbur Mills Democratic Arkansas January 3, 1939 – January 3, 1977 1909–1992
39 38 years, 0 days 37 38 years, 0 days Dante Fascell Democratic Florida January 3, 1955 – January 3, 1993 1917–1998
40 38 years, 0 days 38 38 years, 0 days Robert H. Michel Republican Illinois January 3, 1957 – January 3, 1995 1923–2017
41 38 years, 0 days 39 38 years, 0 days Nick Rahall Democratic West Virginia January 3, 1977 – January 3, 2015 1949–present
42 37 years, 305 days N/A Robert Crosser (I) Democratic Ohio March 4, 1913 – March 3, 1919
March 4, 1923 – January 3, 1955 1874–1957
43 37 years, 290 days N/A Bob Sikes (I) Democratic Florida January 3, 1941 – October 19, 1944
January 3, 1945 – January 3, 1979 1906–1994
44 37 years, 169 days 40 37 years, 169 days Nancy Pelosi Democratic California Since June 2, 1987 1940–present
45 37 years, 60 days 41 37 years, 60 days Henry B. González Democratic Texas November 4, 1961 – January 3, 1999 1916–2000
46 36 years, 256 days 42 36 years, 256 days Ed Markey Democratic Massachusetts November 2, 1976 – July 15, 2013 1946–present
47 36 years, 10 days 43 36 years, 10 days Frank Pallone (H) Democratic New Jersey Since November 8, 1988 1951–present
48 36 years, 3 days 44 36 years, 3 days John Murtha Democratic Pennsylvania February 5, 1974 – February 8, 2010 1932–2010
49 36 years, 0 days 45 36 years, 0 days F. Edward Hébert Democratic Louisiana January 3, 1941 – January 3, 1977 1901–1979
50 36 years, 0 days 46 36 years, 0 days Edward Boland Democratic Massachusetts January 3, 1953 – January 3, 1989 1911–2001
51 36 years, 0 days 47 36 years, 0 days William Broomfield Republican Michigan January 3, 1957 – January 3, 1993 1922–2019
52 36 years, 0 days 48 36 years, 0 days Dan Rostenkowski Democratic Illinois January 3, 1959 – January 3, 1995 1928–2010
53 36 years, 0 days 49 36 years, 0 days Neal Smith Democratic Iowa January 3, 1959 – January 3, 1995 1920–2021
54 36 years, 0 days 50 36 years, 0 days Joseph M. McDade Republican Pennsylvania January 3, 1963 – January 3, 1999 1931–2017
55 36 years, 0 days 51 36 years, 0 days Ralph Regula Republican Ohio January 3, 1973 – January 3, 2009 1924–2017
56 36 years, 0 days 52 36 years, 0 days Jim Oberstar Democratic–Farmer–Labor Minnesota January 3, 1975 – January 3, 2011 1934–2014
57 36 years, 0 days 53 36 years, 0 days Norm Dicks Democratic Washington January 3, 1977 – January 3, 2013 1940–present
58 36 years, 0 days 54 36 years, 0 days Dale Kildee Democratic Michigan January 3, 1977 – January 3, 2013 1929–2021
59 36 years, 0 days 55 36 years, 0 days Sander Levin Democratic Michigan January 3, 1983 – January 3, 2019 1931–present
60 36 years, 0 days 56 36 years, 0 days Pete Visclosky Democratic Indiana January 3, 1985 – January 3, 2021 1949–present
61 36 years, 0 days 57 36 years, 0 days Peter DeFazio Democratic Oregon January 3, 1987 – January 3, 2023 1947–present
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These arguments always make me wonder why it that folks living in foreign countries are so focused on U.S. politics.

My M-I-L in Germany feels it is her duty to inform me constantly how much she hates Trump. I tell her she should come over, get her citizenship, and then vote her conscience instead of endlessly whining.

Why do they care? I couldn't give two hoots in hell who the president of Brazil is, who is Prime Minister in England, or who the Crown Prince for UAE is. Why? Because I don't live there and have no citizenship there.

It must be TDS.

OH SHIT!!!
3584ELK has entered into the ARPF cesspool with a cogent post.
Cogent enough to post it TWICE (LOL!!)

Gird your loins 358, you’re in for a long ride!

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Originally posted by 3584ELK:
These arguments always make me wonder why it that folks living in foreign countries are so focused on U.S. politics.

My M-I-L in Germany feels it is her duty to inform me constantly how much she hates Trump. I tell her she should come over, get her citizenship, and then vote her conscience instead of endlessly whining.

Why do they care? I couldn't give two hoots in hell who the president of Brazil is, who is Prime Minister in England, or who the Crown Prince for UAE is. Why? Because I don't live there and have no citizenship there.

It must be TDS.

It shouldn't be very hard to work out that what goes on in the US affects all of US, but the reverse isn't true. You are the world's biggest economy, if you have a problem then we all do. Remember 2008?

By your thinking, everyone should be deeply involved in Chinese politics as well.

I get that the US affects others. I get that our media is consumed worldwide and thus everyone gets political op/ed intended for US voters.


What I don’t get is that anyone who isn’t a U.S. voter thinks their opinions are particularly relevant to US politics.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by 3584ELK:
These arguments always make me wonder why it that folks living in foreign countries are so focused on U.S. politics.

My M-I-L in Germany feels it is her duty to inform me constantly how much she hates Trump. I tell her she should come over, get her citizenship, and then vote her conscience instead of endlessly whining.

Why do they care? I couldn't give two hoots in hell who the president of Brazil is, who is Prime Minister in England, or who the Crown Prince for UAE is. Why? Because I don't live there and have no citizenship there.

It must be TDS.

It shouldn't be very hard to work out that what goes on in the US affects all of US, but the reverse isn't true. You are the world's biggest economy, if you have a problem then we all do. Remember 2008?

Unfortunately SOROS has a offspring.
The comical part is that his son married the “Wiener Boy”ex NY congressman Anthony Wiener’s ex wife Huma Abedin. Huma Abedin worked for and is good friends with the Hillary Clinton.
Seems the Democratic “Weiner “ boy was charged in Federal Court for transferring pictures of his dick (obscene material) to a minor. Weiner was sentenced to 21 months in the Federal Pen.
Can’t make this shit up.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
By your thinking, everyone should be deeply involved in Chinese politics as well.

I get that the US affects others. I get that our media is consumed worldwide and thus everyone gets political op/ed intended for US voters.


What I don’t get is that anyone who isn’t a U.S. voter thinks their opinions are particularly relevant to US politics.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by 3584ELK:
These arguments always make me wonder why it that folks living in foreign countries are so focused on U.S. politics.

My M-I-L in Germany feels it is her duty to inform me constantly how much she hates Trump. I tell her she should come over, get her citizenship, and then vote her conscience instead of endlessly whining.

Why do they care? I couldn't give two hoots in hell who the president of Brazil is, who is Prime Minister in England, or who the Crown Prince for UAE is. Why? Because I don't live there and have no citizenship there.

It must be TDS.

It shouldn't be very hard to work out that what goes on in the US affects all of US, but the reverse isn't true. You are the world's biggest economy, if you have a problem then we all do. Remember 2008?

I’m interested in Chinese politics, as I am in Russian politics, such as they are, and in what’s going on in Europe.

It’s what’s happening in the US and Europe that affects me the most, why wouldn’t I have an opinion on them. That I don’t get a vote doesn’t make my thoughts any less valid, or indeed possibly accurate.

At the end of the day, this is an internet forum, so anything said here matters not one iota.

Granted, everyone gets an opinion but the arrogant M-I-L I referred to actually believes that her opinion will affect how I vote. Sorry, "Mom"...it doesn't work that way.

I have met many a Brit who thought the same way- their opinion should influence how I vote.

Where do people get their ideas.

You vote, your business, no one else's.

Im the only person in my household who doesn't get a vote in the US elections, but how my wife and kids vote is up to them.

The secrecy of the ballot is necessary to the integrity of any free election.

I have never asked my wife who she voted for nor her asked me. The same w everyone else.

I also have no issue with folks saying what their positions are. That includes their position on a candidate.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Musk is being used as an advisor.

So the story goes.

Seriously Man, Trump has created two new agencies now? More?

Last time we got Space Force, this time we get DOGE. Has there been more and what next?

Government departments can actually audit, budget and manage themselves if tasked to do so. My interpretation of all this is that Trump isn't capable of that kind of executive leadership and so is now creating a new, an additional government department.

We're to believe these campaign and political promises and slogans? That's really the plan?

Doc Lane mentioned my cynical viewpoint the other day. He's right and ,....well,....yeah,.....

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Originally posted by Scott King:


Government departments can actually audit, budget and manage themselves if tasked to do so. My interpretation of all this is that Trump isn't capable of that kind of executive leadership and so is now creating a new, an additional government department.

We're to believe these campaign and political promises and slogans? That's really the plan?

Doc Lane mentioned my cynical viewpoint the other day. He's right and ,....well,....yeah,.....

uhm, talk to me again about the DoD failed audits under existing rules?

Audit the Fed?

come on, man, apply the same logic to the existing circumstances

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Scott King:


Government departments can actually audit, budget and manage themselves if tasked to do so. My interpretation of all this is that Trump isn't capable of that kind of executive leadership and so is now creating a new, an additional government department.

We're to believe these campaign and political promises and slogans? That's really the plan?

Doc Lane mentioned my cynical viewpoint the other day. He's right and ,....well,....yeah,.....

uhm, talk to me again about the DoD failed audits under existing rules?

Audit the Fed?

come on, man, apply the same logic to the existing circumstances

I'm aware they failed, are you telling me they can't be made to comply?

well, i aint saying they can't be compelled - but i can tell you they have failed repeatedly with the current level of compunction - therefore, rather than repeating the einsteinian level of insanity, perhaps trying something new might produce different results

My preference would be to fix what's broke rather than leave it broke and attempt a new and untried alternative.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
My preference would be to fix what's broke rather than leave it broke and attempt a new and untried alternative.

i am a techie - if what you tried before didn't work, try SOMETHING different - you know what was new once? the wheel, fire, and the wedge

Trump's choice for Secretary of the Treasury worked for Soros for 15 years.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Trump's choice for Secretary of the Treasury worked for Soros for 15 years.

so, fifi, you think soros is bad now?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
My preference would be to fix what's broke rather than leave it broke and attempt a new and untried alternative.

i am a techie - if what you tried before didn't work, try SOMETHING different - you know what was new once? the wheel, fire, and the wedge

I think the insinuation is that the DOD and other government departments have "gone rogue" and that it'll take an outside contractor or influence to fix it.

If we hire Trump or Obama or Truman as CEO and they are unable to reign in rogue employees don't you think we need to hire a different CEO?

General MacArthur went rogue and Truman fired him plain and simple. Very appropriate I think.

Trump could do the same, "Pass the DOD audit or I hire a new DOD. Cut your budget by 10-20-30% or I hire a new department head."

I find it impossible to believe that any of the business leaders here would allow their employees or businesses to fail audits or budgets repeatedly and say, " oh fuck it, I'll hire an outside contractor to cute my financial woes.".

Reality check....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a3d7e2e6013ac&ei=132

The Federal continues to grow and grow, without anyone looking to see if we need all these unproductive people meddling in the economy and society.

It is about time someone took a look at all the laws, regulations, and activities the Federal Government has created, and decide if they are fit for purpose. I will bet, 99 % are not.

One law of the bureaucracy is that Bureaucrats create work for other bureaucrats. What we have also seen in recent decades, is how bureaucrats create work for businesses and the general population.

Parkinson wrote a great book on bureaucracies "Parkinson's Law" and in it he noted how the British Naval Bureaucracy increased exponentially as the number of British warships decreased by half. Bureaucrats do this by creating un needed internal work, that requires manpower, but the effort has nothing to do with "mission".

Government managers never really have to justify the number of people under them, and their budget is essentially infinite. Empire building is a skill, and we need someone to topple and eliminate a whole bunch of bureaucratic empires.

This is not something limited to Government, private business gets this way, but the self corrective measure of profitablity will eventually cause an examination of over head and staffing. I remember a GE story about Jack Welch. Jack Welch found that the boiler man who turned the temperature up or down on the boiler, had to report to three different Vice somethings, before he could get permission to turn the dial. In this GE division, there were layers of useless management positions all stacked on top of a few actual productive people.

And as we have seen in Universities, such as Stanford, the number of University administrators has become equal to the number of undergraduates. No doubt they are all busy with their hobby jobs, but nothing they do actually benefits society. As long as the money keeps rolling in, administrators will keep on expanding.