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Originally posted by Saeed:
About time!

NitanHitler needs to be executed by the 1000 Chinese cuts!

Him and those supporting him are the true New Nazis!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
NY Times reports the ICC maybe about to issue arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

I have no idea of the extent of the U.S. involvement or support for the ICC.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Much like the notion that Putin will be arrested.

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public sentiment against his prosecution of the war

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That is deep analysis.

I take it you do not know what out recognition or diplomatic relationship w the ICC is?

As usual, I’ll do the reading. It appears the U.S. participated in the creation of the ICC with President Clinton signing a treaty. However, Clinton never submitted the treaty for ratification. President Bush informed the UN that the treaty would not be presented for ratification. I think the IN is a parent organization.

The U.S. is one of seven countries – along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen – that voted against the Rome Statute. The Rome Statute. I think of the Rome Statute as being similar to an Enabling Act in U.S. law. The Rome Statute created the ICC.

Thus, the U. S. is not a participant in the ICC. A warrant issued by the ICC does not trigger any reaction by the U.S. on a diplomatic level.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That is deep analysis.

I take it you do not know what out recognition or diplomatic relationship w the ICC is?

As usual, I’ll do the reading. It appears the U.S. participated in the creation of the ICC with President Clinton signing a treaty. However, Clinton never submitted the treaty for ratification. President Bush informed the UN that the treaty would not be presented for ratification. I think the IN is a parent organization.

The U.S. is one of seven countries – along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen – that voted against the Rome Statute. The Rome Statute. I think of the Rome Statute as being similar to an Enabling Act in U.S. law. The Rome Statute created the ICC.

Thus, the U. S. is not a participant in the ICC. A warrant issued by the ICC does not trigger any reaction by the U.S. on a diplomatic level.

Of course it doesnt. You can hate Israel but if think some ninjas will go capture him, you are being daft.

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Originally posted by nute:
Are Mohammed Deif and Marwan Issa under warrant too?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
That is deep analysis.

I take it you do not know what out recognition or diplomatic relationship w the ICC is?

As usual, I’ll do the reading. It appears the U.S. participated in the creation of the ICC with President Clinton signing a treaty. However, Clinton never submitted the treaty for ratification. President Bush informed the UN that the treaty would not be presented for ratification. I think the IN is a parent organization.

The U.S. is one of seven countries – along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen – that voted against the Rome Statute. The Rome Statute. I think of the Rome Statute as being similar to an Enabling Act in U.S. law. The Rome Statute created the ICC.

Thus, the U. S. is not a participant in the ICC. A warrant issued by the ICC does not trigger any reaction by the U.S. on a diplomatic level.

Of course it doesnt. You can hate Israel but if think some ninjas will go capture him, you are being daft.

I do not hate Israel. I support offensive actions against Hamas.

I object to Netanyahu. It cannot be argued that he was ousted for corruption, was being tried, and settlements are counterproductive to international support and security.

Now, if President Clinton had presented the ICC treaty for ratification to the Senate w the Senate so ratifying, then the ICC court issuing warrants for Netanyahu would force our diplomatic hand.

Israel more than deserves to exist. Israel has a right to exist. Israel, like the Palestinians, have no claim to the river to the sea.

If one wants to know my potion on Israel and Hamas, it has been stated in detail many times.

Hamas cannot be permitted to exist as a political entity. Israel does not have the support nor do they want a two front war trying to occupy all of Gaza and the West Bank creating an Israel, singular state.

Let us not forget, President Bush insisted on the elections that saw Hamas take power when he was told it would happen.

As Israel's first president, Chaim Weizmann, put it, "The conflict between ourselves and the Palestinians is not a conflict of justice against injustice, but a conflict between two equal rights."

Hamas has long fortified a claim of equal right as described by Israel’s first president. Palestine as a people have not. Israel could not kill every male child if it wanted to. Israel to try that only going to breed more extremism, and international isolation.

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

That^^^is what separates my logic from yours as it does very much matter.

One a willful act of unimaginable evil violence…

…the other sorrowful but not necessarily wrong occurrence of war.

One sickens and angers me to the maximum extent…the other elicits sorrow.

100%…they are two totally different acts…elicit different emotions…and require different remedies.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
There is a difference in civilians getting killed, and civilians being targeted.

See the Nuremberg Trials.

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

That^^^is what separates my logic from yours as it does very much matter.

One a willful act of unimaginable evil violence…

…the other sorrowful but not necessarily wrong occurrence of war.

One sickens and angers me to the maximum extent…the other elicits sorrow.

100%…they are two totally different acts…elicit different emotions…and require different remedies.

But we cant lose sight of the cost, even Scipio Africanus wept when he saw what they did to Carthage. Neccesary i dont disagree but the cost is real. For the record, I would kill them all but i wont ignore that there is a cost often paid in blood. I mostly agree with you Dr. Easter, that said i wonder how do we really solve this?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by zebrazapper:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

That^^^is what separates my logic from yours as it does very much matter.

One a willful act of unimaginable evil violence…

…the other sorrowful but not necessarily wrong occurrence of war.

One sickens and angers me to the maximum extent…the other elicits sorrow.

100%…they are two totally different acts…elicit different emotions…and require different remedies.

But we cant lose sight of the cost, even Scipio Africanus wept when he saw what they did to Carthage. Neccesary i dont disagree but the cost is real. For the record, I would kill them all but i wont ignore that there is a cost often paid in blood. I mostly agree with you Dr. Easter, that said i wonder how do we really solve this?

Shed tears when the emotion of the situation elicits tears…but never take the foot off of the gas pedal.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

That^^^is what separates my logic from yours as it does very much matter.

One a willful act of unimaginable evil violence…

…the other sorrowful but not necessarily wrong occurrence of war.

One sickens and angers me to the maximum extent…the other elicits sorrow.

100%…they are two totally different acts…elicit different emotions…and require different remedies.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
In Jesus’s own words: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A three year old who survives the loss of his parents, brother and cousins in an air strike, then looses his legs when the school he was evacuated to is also hit

Does that even compare to being piled with other children, doused with accelerant, and burned alive…with people watching and cheering?

Why the hell would you even consider making a comparison? What possible purpose does that serve?

Are you capable of understanding that both are wrong and utterly repellant ?

That^^^is what separates my logic from yours as it does very much matter.

One a willful act of unimaginable evil violence…

…the other sorrowful but not necessarily wrong occurrence of war.

One sickens and angers me to the maximum extent…the other elicits sorrow.

100%…they are two totally different acts…elicit different emotions…and require different remedies.

Your logic...?

A child miraculously survives the destruction of his home and then gets taken to a school, which the IDF has advised refuges is safe , then they bomb it. How is that different? It is deliberate targeting civilians.

The Hamas human shield argument is a good one size fits all excuse, but we don't know the facts because the IDF wont allow journalists into Gaza, which you are completely fine with.

You are very vocal on any thread about abortion that you are an advocate for those without a voice. In the absence of journalists the ordinary people in Gaza have no voice.

For someone who professes to be a christian you values are surprisingly .... flexible