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Sure it could be sheer incompetence. But the amount of chaos and disruption generated by Trump in such a short order makes you wonder, what’s the end game. It sure has nothing to do with making America great again, we can see that clearly now. Is the end game to generate so much unrest, controversy and disruption as to (attempt to) justify the declaration of martial law. He is already making noise about doing that regarding the Quebec electricity issue. Like I said maybe it is just absolute incompetence . . . or maybe there’s another end game. Mike | ||
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If it all is part of a plot to declare martial law, I have some faith that Trump will manage it no more competently than he did his riot and takeover plot in January 2021. | |||
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The end game is to weaken America. Putin really has Trump by the short hairs. | |||
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oh oh oh, you mean like trudy did? jesus, son, you live in a world of fear -- seek help opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I'm trying to remember whether Trump favored us with an opinion about Rodrigo Duterte. Anybody remember? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Wow......just wow! | |||
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well who knows what can happen to trump when the maga fanboys will stop to love him ... | |||
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Exactly! That is what we have been saying ever since you picked a DRAFT DODGING COWARD to rule you!  | |||
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Power. The end game is power, authority. Control. "My Kingdom come, my will be done." It's not enough to believe you are right, the acknowledgement of being right by others is mandatory. All this is about being a marble bust, added to Mount Rushmore, being on a coin, having a street/ university/ state/ national monument named after you. Trump never ever, once ever passes by the Lincoln Memorial or the Washington Memorial and feels anything other than envy. | |||
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The really sad part is he is trying to glorify himself, at the cost of American friends. American trust is being eroded at al alarming rate! | |||
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"American trust is being eroded at al alarming rate!" Already done | |||
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Lots of help from loyalists and true believers is essential for the kind and extent of the power Trump wants. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/...hone-line-rcna195617 Kash Patel is asking two questions that should concern everyone Whatever his reasons, Patel’s queries are important indicators of how he may conduct himself as director. Two FBI officials familiar with the matter told NBC News on Monday that FBI Director Kash Patel has inquired about setting up a direct phone line to the White House and about retaining a private security detail for himself. Those questions, and importantly, the possible motivation behind them, could be significant and disturbing clues as to how Patel views his job and his agents. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Nah, it's sheer incompetence and stupidity. | |||
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I disagree with that notion - a lot. It's so bad that I think it is a blunder to underestimate Trumpism. Expect the worst and when (and if) the dust settles be thankful it's not as bad as it could be. I can't even imagine those who are anti-Trump ever thinking the extent of this era is merely "incompetence and stupidity". You have to deny or ignore so much to reach that assessment, such as project 2025 and all those who sponsored the manifesto. You have to deny the INTENT of all those in Trump's orbit, especially his cabinet. https://youtu.be/k6BRO65gl94?si=sz8uCCTFAfExFd65 Anderson Cooper on ‘chilling message’ Trump is sending to law firms https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...019b9aacf6bef9&ei=91 Don’t Trust the Trumpsplainers ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Mark my words: virtually everything trump is doing is going to be the undoing of the republican party. | |||
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That’s what Lindsey Graham said, five or six flip flops ago. There are a lot of folks who don’t understand cult dynamics; they cheerfully surrender their minds just to ‘belong’…to be a ‘one of us’. Lindsey can’t make up his mind which side will come out on top, so he spins… | |||
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That may happen - cause and effect sort of thing. However, the undoing of the Republican party is how Trump got elected, and the root of Project 2025, etc., & much more. The amount of emotional and ideological and political and even religious capital they spent on lawfare, lies, spin, planning isn't going to quell itself. They have been relentlessly fomenting this coup for close to 50 years. They are not going to pivot. We might as well get used to the long haul. However, there is an indicator that I'm wrong. I hope so. There seems to be some reasonable conservatives participating herein. I hope they are representative of a broader scale. If so, they are going to be the ones who make all the difference. It appears that the Dems can't thwart Trump(ism). I certainly hope they don't stoop as low as Trump and followers have gone, just to win. Hopefully, Trump burns himself out -soon. The decline of the republican party was a chickenshit inside job, with commitment. That same or higher level of commitment, but courage instead of chickenshit, is needed. Politicians like Graham, and many more ain't got it, never will. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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trump doesn't give two shits about Project 2025 other than how it can benefit him. The root problem is the failure of the Democrats to offer a reasonable and forward thinking electable alternative. Shit, just look at the comments here. The last election was an anomaly but no republican was going to vote for Kamala. Not even the reasonable ones. The republicans who had doubts about trump (and there were a lot of them) were never going to vote for her but the Dems chucked her out there hoping against hope. And, I will tell you honestly....I have no idea who the Dems can put up in 2028 that might have a chance. Newsome is clearly throwing his hat into the ring but he is from goddamn California. Two strikes against him right there. | |||
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Mike, project 2025 has been kabob's bugbear for nearly 8 months- it's kinda sad how he clings to it, like a false religion but, hey, they could run quemala again -- i am SURE the results will be different (hint:trump can't run) opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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So, what does Trump give a shit about? I think we know the answer and it ain't make America great again. I also agree with you that Trump really doesn't care about Project 2025, but those who see Trump as a tool/fool care about it. It's another of Trump's transactional deals where he lets them have their way with it in exchange for supporting him. The buffet feast is big enough for sharing. https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...istration-rcna195107 March 12, 2025, 5:00 AM EDT The key Project 2025 authors now staffing the Trump administration The Project 2025 playbook had over 300 contributors. Some of the most prominent writers have scored big roles in the executive branch. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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All interesting discussion points. And, I am all about discussing those issues. Who is on point for the Dems? | |||
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My friend, you speak the truth and reality. The Dems have their heads up their asses. | |||
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That's friggin funny, in a perverted/inverted way. How can you honestly claim "truth and reality" and ignore/deny Project 2025? And:
We'll see about that. But even if it's his surrogate, Vance, the shitshow is still on the slippery slope. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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There is a premise implied in your question. Do the Dems really need a charismatic populist leader, equal to Trump, to win? I friggin hope not. That would just be a continuation in the contest of BS, and manipulation. If I had a say in strategy, I would stay the progressive course, sell it, and let (help) Trump(ism) defeat itself. If defeating Trump(ism) is fighting fire with fire, the conflagration is already out of bounds. We need to get back to and appreciation for the Founding constitutional principles and branch balances. Only the Dems can do that, perhaps with some help from real old-school conservatives. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Let's go back to the discussion of Project 2025. Did you know that Heritage Foundation and The Moral Majority have common origin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich Paul Michael Weyrich (/ˈweɪrɪk/; October 7, 1942 – December 18, 2008)[1][2][3][4] was an American conservative political activist and commentator associated with the New Right. He co-founded The Heritage Foundation, the Free Congress Foundation, and the American Legislative Exchange Council, and coined the term "moral majority," co-founding an organization of the same name in 1979 with Jerry Falwell.[5] He was also a Melkite Catholic deacon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority Moral Majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation The Heritage Foundation https://www.nytimes.com/2024/0....html?smid=url-share Jan. 21, 2024 Inside the Heritage Foundation’s Plans for ‘Institutionalizing Trumpism’ “People will lose their jobs,” the think tank’s president says about federal workers. “Hopefully their lives are able to flourish in spite of that.” ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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 You wouldn't know off-topic if it bit you, Mr. realist  .The Topic is "End Game". The Heritage Foundation, the used-to-be Moral Majority and Project 2025, all connected to Trumpism is about as End Game/Long Game as it gets. This didn't happen suddenly. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Like cancer, it’s been there long before the symptoms were manifest. I’m sure that there’s always a layer of evil somewhere down deep in any society. Failing to stomp it back down when it surfaces is when it gets really dangerous. The U.S. has had multiple opportunities and backed away, simply because the remedy would have been embarrassing. Now it’s right out in the open and the free world is praying that it’s not too late. | |||
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YOU, yourself, said trump doesn't care about project 2025 --- therefore it can't be the end game -- sigh -- another count for "i tried, ma" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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From the OP:
The "end game" is bigger than Trump. He is just a tool and distraction. On second thought maybe Trump does care about the part of Project 2025 that concentrates power to the executive branch (him). All the rest is disruption and chaos which he can work with anyway. What I mean is that Trump doesn't care about Rightist ideology and long game, except where it benefits him and his power. I don't consider Trump an ideologue. His motivations are different from that. He's a Dark Triad sadist. It's all about power, glory and revenge for him. The "end game" is not all about Trump. That's the distraction. I think it's ridiculous to think that project 2025 is not relevant to the "end game", which is to change the "system" to where the Right never loses an election. IOW, perpetually in power, by any means. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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https://youtube.com/shorts/N9z...?si=vxWaISey73tmh_Ux Republican #senators are finding out what happens when you comply with Donald Republican Senate has caved and allowed Trump to assert control over spending because of a trash heritage foundation theory called "unitary executive theory" which basically turns the #president into a #dictator. This is textbook project 2025 garbage and these Republican senators pretended it wasn't real, and now their regret may be too late. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Let's talk about the end game some more. Trump has been attacking the rule of law, judiciary, for a long time. What's the end game on that? https://youtu.be/tVU8R0Nv9bk?si=y9igkpeJ3Lf7AADe Trump administration ignores judge's order to turn deportation planes around https://youtu.be/xvY4QVwfSOg?si=TDM8XdqiZ4cWOrcm White House ignores court and invokes Alien Enemies Act to deport hundreds of Venezuelans ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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