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for those thinking that you cannot be against hamas and not supporting the starvation of civilians lessons given by survivors of nazi holocaust. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...israel-stop-35778413 Holocaust survivors’ desperate plea to stop starvation as Gaza famine declared 'As survivors of the Holocaust and Jews who escaped the Nazis we cannot remain silent as hunger and deprivation threaten the lives of civilians in Gaza,' signatories say As Holocaust survivors, their voices carry the weight of history. And today, as famine is declared in Gaza, a dozen Jewish people who escaped the Nazis make an urgent plea to help the stricken enclave’s hungry. In a powerful open letter, the 12 survivors “implore all those responsible to feed the vulnerable and prevent the starvation of Palestinians in Gaza”. Children are among hundreds already said to have perished from malnutrition-related deaths as the stricken enclave stands in ruins after nearly two years of bombardment by Israel. But the declaration of famine, by the UN-backed Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, marks a significant step in the humanitarian crisis. Here, we publish the Holocaust survivors' words in full… Holocaust survivors' letter on famine in Gaza As survivors of the Holocaust and Jews who escaped the Nazis we cannot remain silent as hunger and deprivation threaten the lives of civilians in Gaza. We are not comparing Israel’s action in Gaza to the Nazi gas chambers. The murders of October 7th, when Jews were slaughtered in the land that promised refuge, horrified us and we understand Israel’s grief. We condemn Hamas for its genocidal goals, its taking of hostages, and its contempt for both Palestinian and Jewish lives. But our anger should not lead us to dehumanize those we fear, as we know where that can lead. Every human life—Jewish, Palestinian, or any other—has equal value. We support Israel’s right to defend its people. But that defence must not result in the slow death of Palestinian children from hunger. We know too well what it means to feel hunger, watch the young grow thin and weak and to see neighbours waste away. We join with the Arab League and many governments in calling on Hamas to release all hostages immediately, to stop using civilians as shields and diverting aid. Only when its tyrannical rule over Gaza ends can Israelis and Palestinians live in safety. But what if, in the course of trying to remove Hamas, the trauma of hunger and war causes the next generation to demand revenge? It would be a pyrrhic victory for Israel. We see there are double standards in the World. A man-made famine is already underway in Sudan. As black Africans perish it causes no global outrage and the dead there are not even counted, while Israel’s critics welcome those responsible as statesmen. But being held to a higher moral standard should be seen as a duty and honour, not a burden. We understand why trust between Israel and UN agencies in Gaza has been broken. But we implore all parties not to allow this to stand in the way of finding an urgent solution to feed people. Today, the aid that enters Gaza is far too little. It is the weakest - children, the elderly, the disabled - who are most unable to reach help. We call on everyone with power over the flow of food, water, medicine, and fuel into the Gaza Strip to act immediately and decisively to prevent famine and to protect civilians. We ask donor governments to fully fund the response and support independent monitoring so that aid reaches civilians swiftly. We take seriously as Jews the responsibility of Tikkun Olam , repairing the world. Yet as peace today seems further away than ever, we recall that some of us survived the Shoah because, even in the darkest of times, both neighbours and strangers who could have turned away from us chose instead to act from conscience. From the pain of October 7th we thank those Israeli Arabs who were among the first to risk their lives to rescue Jews during the pogrom. We draw hope from those Israelis and Palestinians now engaged in the vital work of community peacebuilding – especially those who choose this path despite losing loved ones on or since October 7th. These role models prove that coexistence is possible. They understand that the battle line for peace is not between two peoples, but between extremism and humanity. For the sake of our shared humanity, we implore all those responsible to feed the vulnerable and prevent the starvation of Palestinians in Gaza. If you will not feed the hungry for any other reason, do it in our name. It is the lowest standard to which any of us should expect to be held. The 12 signatories are: Eva Clarke BEM — Born at Mauthausen concentration camp on 29 April 1945. Hanneke Dye — Born in Holland in hiding in 1943 during the Nazi occupation., she was sent to a foster family until the end of the war, to stay safe. Hedi Argent MBE — Born in Vienna in 1929, Hedi fled Nazi Austria to Britain in 1939. Janine Webber BEM — Born in 1932 in Lwów Poland (now Lviv, Ukraine), she survived the Holocaust by living in hiding. Joan Salter MBE — Born Fanny Zimetbaum in Brussels, Belgium, in 1940, Joan escaped Nazi-occupied Europe as a child. Manfred Dessau — Born in Berlin in 1926 he came to Britain as a child as part of the Kindertransport. Ruth Barnett MBE — Born in Berlin in 1935, she came to Britain on the Kindertransport, aged four. Simon Winston BEM — Born in 1938 in Radzivillov, which was in Poland and is now Ukraine. He fled from the ghetto and survived in hiding. Steven Frank BEM — Born in Amsterdam in 1935, his father was murdered in Auschwitz, while he, his mothers and brothers survived Westerbork and Theresienstadt. Peter Briess — Born in Czechoslovakia in 1931, he escaped with his parents to Britain in 1939. Yehudit David — Born in July 1929, Yehudit escaped Nazi Germany with her parents and brother in August 1938, settling in America. Later, she moved to Israel. Ruth Shire — German-born Holocaust survivor was sent to Oxfordshire to escape the Nazis by her parents, aged 15, and rebuilt her life in Birmingham. | ||
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All bullshit. According to THE ORANGE TURD's Master, NitanHitler, all is good in Gaza! | |||
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it so bad that none have seen the light on the palestinians. a sad day. | |||
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What do you expect from Christians? A blood-thirsty, callous bunch if there ever was. But I go too far. My Christian son and DOL don't think like this at all. They walk the talk. | |||
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I do not understand how anyone who calls themselves a Christian can condone this. | |||
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Some Christians are supporting it to hasten the end of the world! | |||
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What about Sudan? Same tactics being used, but I guess it is fine when it is your team behind civilian suffering Saeed? What is happening in Gaza is disgusting, the same can be said about Sudan. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gz1ekdee3o | |||
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If the Muslim states truly cared about these people…they would get together and organize camps in northeast Egypt and open the border to Gaza for refugees. Everyone the world over could get behind this. Israel would allow anyone out who wanted. And if they refused this…the world over would come out against them…including me! But this never happens. They all just play these people like pawns. Their brethren don’t care about them. After the brutality shown by the Palestinians on 10/7…Israel has no choice but to finish the job this time. We are speaking of a group of people who rejoiced at the most brutal killing of truly innocents the world has ever seen since the Holocaust. They burned children alive while watching! Whole crowds of these people were cheering death to Jews while watching. Young men called their parents in the raid to tell their families how they butchered jews that day. Two tiny sisters were basically welded together in death as they clung to one another as they burned alive. Think about the evil you support. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Why would anyone help the NEW NAZIS expel the rightful owners of Palestine! Oh, I know. You support the MAGA FUCKWIT NITANHITLER’s PUPPET! Shame on America! ![]() | |||
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I don't support ethnic cleansing in Gaza Lane. | |||
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Lane should leave Texas and go up north and leave Texas to the poor Mexicans, if he applies the same rules to himself! | |||
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What a brilliant solution . . . make the people that have inhabited the area for centuries leave so the people that have been there for less than a century can have it. ![]() Mike | |||
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Sounds like history is NOT The Mikes strong point. ![]() Been happening (successfully) since the beginning of time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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. . . he would probably prefer to just "exterminate" them. Mike | |||
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Only the cartels. ![]() How about The Mikes…are they for exterminating the cartels? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to be good citizens they chose not to. Not only that…they chose to be be evil. Evil is best dealt the sword. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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See Saeed…you don’t really care about “the people”…just about defeating Israel. Thank you for making the point. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, I for one appreciate your posts. There was a time here when I think some people mistakenly found you to be a voice of reason. But as they say, give someone enough rope and . . . . Now I think it is pretty clear to most that you are just a right-wing kook. Thanks. Mike | |||
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Lane has gone bonkers! He supports the biggest career criminal in American president history! He supports a governor who gives rewards to people reporting their neighbors having an abortion! Can you expect any sense out of him! May be he takes his own advice. Go north as a refugee in another state and leave Texas to the illegal Mexicans! | |||
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TDS at its' finest. Old Corps Semper Fi FJB | |||
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Everything I see what’s happening there, I support Israel 100% Palestinians had their chance last 70 plus year to be prosperous neighbor and nation and squandered it so recklessly it’s actually mind boggling Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Prosperous neighbors? In their own homeland? The homeland they are being systematically being kicked out of? | |||
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All Israel is dong is isolating themselves, pushing Arab nations closer to Iran, and ensuring generations of violence against them, Israel and our response has caused Saudi Arabia to re-engage diplomatically Eritrean. However, you do not have any understanding of why that is a bad thing. Isolated nations loses wars. | |||
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I can remember when we thought you were conservative traditionalist as well. I am actually saddened to find out you are a liberal. Texas usually breeds better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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100% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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as for pushing the ME closer to Iran -- did you need scientific notation to measure the difference, then and now? if it where physical measurement, it would require a tool that could measure angstroms outside of a lab opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I think he is correct, Israel is becoming isolated from many western countries. It's just been announced here that Israel will not be welcome at the DSEI this month in London. Isreal has a right to exist in peace and security. There are over 2 million people in Gaza, or there were, and they have an equal right to exist. An Israeli kid is not worth any more or less than a Palestinian one. I don't have any easy answers to this, neither side is in the right here. | |||
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Exactly! And the same applies to adults too. Why does an ILLEGAL IMPORTED JEWISH person have more rights than a Palestinian who has lived all his life, and his ancestors there, be kicked out to make way for who is being ILLEGALLY imported just because he claims to be a Jew?? | |||
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Rights? Hell, we have people on here that believe that they not only have no rights, but need to be exterminated. I think MAGA is actually a brain-eating virus. Mike | |||
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Saudi Arabia has traditionally opposed Iran and its nuclear program. Saudi Arabia had recognized Israel. Saudi Arabia had until all this broke off diplomatic relations with Iran. Diplomatic engagement between Israel and Iran restarted in 2024. https://www.wilsoncenter.org/a...estored-remain-tense Saudi Arabia would continue to formalize relations with Israel if Israel would commit to a Palestinian state as a basic construct. https://www.thecairoreview.com...-normalization-deal/ https://mei.edu/publications/s...t-two-state-solution https://www.al-monitor.com/ori...n-state-1967-borders Look at all the Western nations that have formally recognized Palestine due to the inappropriate behavior of Israel. Isolated countries loses wars. Much like our own, Netanyahu’s government has done is isolate its self from partners and allies. This makes Israel less secure. Smart Administrations, President Eisenhower through Bush I, positioned the U.S. as honest broker between the two parties. President Clinton badly botched this role. President Bush, subsequently, assured an election he knew would see Hamas come to power. Circumstances and times got the better of that. Now, President Clinton did pour gasoline on the fire twice. First, by inserting the USA into the Oslo Peace Process. Second, following the failure of Camp David, President Clinton spoke on prime-time Israeli TV squarely placing the blame for the failure of the Camp David Summit on Yasser Arafat. President Clinton asserted Arafat had unreasonably rejected Prime Minister Ehud Barak’s “astonishingly generous offers.” More than any other single action, that statement by Clinton helped fix within the Israeli collective consciousness the perception there is no Palestinian partner. This, peace is impossible. This directly led to the complete ascendancy of the rightwing in Israeli politics. Specifically, the prolonged tenure of Benjamin Netanyahu. It is incontrovertible that Netanyahu saw funds delivered to Hamas to maintain an evil he could campaign upon. | |||
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Once a group of terrorists do what the Palestinians did on 10/7… …100%…they have no rights and need exterminated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Those that perpetrated it, yes. The other 2 million or so, no. | |||
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April 9 1948 the massacre of Deir Yassin The crimes started then by the NEW NAZIS known today as ZIONISTS! NEVER FORGET! The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when Zionist paramilitaries attacked the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, then part of Mandatory Palestine, killing at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children. And just so no one forgets, the leader of that terrorist organization became the prime minister of the New Nazi state! | |||
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They facilitated it and cheered it on. Guilty. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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So YOU are guilty of the genocide being committed in Occupied Palestine then! YOUR money is supporting crimes against humanity! You are beginning to think like the rear end of one of the animals you treat! | |||
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No comment on the Jews cheering on the deaths of Palestinians? Burning of the crops? Cutting centuries old olive groves? Poisoning of wells? Intentional spreading of disease? Burning Christian churches? Neither side is free of blame, not the Palestinians and not the Jews. | |||
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I have said before. I am deeply saddened by the destroying of those olive trees. They could be as much as 800-1000 yrs old. Think of what they have witnessed! | |||
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All 2 million of them? Ridiculous argument. How about those in Boston who funded the IRA via Noraid, should we hold everyone in Boston responsible, how about everyone in Massachusetts? How about the burning alive of an 18 month old Palestinian baby by Israeli settlers? Don't recall you condemning all settlers to death, or should it be all Israeli's? How about for his parents, who both also died in agony? How about a 16 year old Palestinian kid also burned alive by Israeli settlers? Again I missed your condemnation of all Israelis and your call for Isreal to be bulldozed into the sea or bombed flat. You present yourself as objective and logical, but you are neither on this subject. | |||
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Profoundly sad isn't it. So many lives lost and ruined by hate filled people on both sides. | |||
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