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https://www.wsj.com/livecovera...haFpgFKa45grws0tP4sG Apparently we are sending $100M to Hamas - for "humanitarian" reasons - Seriously, we are sending money to the "bad guys" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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Hamas will just use the money to buy more weapons. Biden has his head up his ass again. | |||
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Damn! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Go figure…surprise!!! Not… Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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Hamas has a long history of hijacking aide. I would not send any aide. I would send bullets, copious amounts of bullets. Oh, let us not forget Hamas is holding US Citizens hostage. We are sending money, and Hamas is keeping us. | |||
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Something^^^we can strongly agree upon! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The democrats are just aiding evil.....go figger.... .aà | |||
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I just heard a GOP Senator on Morning Joe state Israel requested this AID. So no, when a GOP Senator says Israel asked for this AID, Dems are not facilitating evil. I would not do it for the reasons I stated above being Hamas record on AID, and the continued holding of US Citizens. However, we have to acknowledge the position of the Executive Branch given they knowledge. He also said a 100 Billion package is going to be presented that would pass the Senate. 60 Billion to Ukraine with the other 40 billion divided between Israel and the US Southern Border. He was not optimistic it would pass in the House. The GOP Senator was speaking on Morning Joe. | |||
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No, we're not. We're sending food, water and medicine to the people who live in the Gaza Strip. Israel gets $10 billion next week. In military aid. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Hey Mike, Do you have a link that explains the contents of this $100M? I can't seem to find one, and the only sources I can find that purport to know the content are right of center opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I did see that Israel is approving of the humanitarian aid to Gaza - opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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If they are sending money, guaranteed it will have some diversion. If they are sending physical food, water, and medicines, then while I suspect there will be skimming to take care of the “freedom fighters” read terrorists first, some will get to the people, but undoubtedly the distribution will be by Hamas folks, and will be used as a chance to further their propaganda. That being said, it’s probably the right thing to do… if executed properly. | |||
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Israel would know better than any of us despite my personal objections. If I were the decision maker, it would be a hard sell for me while Hamas hold US Citizens hostage. | |||
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+1 on your thoughts first and foremost. But this is what I mean by “our weakness” we (USA) have lost our way on how to fight hard core evil. When it’s time to fight…fight! You can send aid and rebuild when the fight is over…fight to win. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It is not a weakness, and Israel knows best in this situation. Best maybe is not in the national interest of the United States. In the alternative, supporting Israel in this play maybe in the national interest over the lives of specific US Citizens. Hard play either way giving Israel wants this AID package delivered. President Biden is elected to make that call subject to an act of Congress. Israel’s position weighs heavy on my mind. I am sure Israel’s position was important to the President’s decision making. I do not know if I could have told Israel no. My concerns would have to be show weighed. Sitting here so the responsibility of deciding, I cannot say this is the wrong decision. Again, Israel’s position is a very heavy counter weight. At least, one GOP Senator agrees with Israel’s position on this AID. I generally, naturally believe as Dr. Easter does. However, due consideration has to be given to Israel’s position. | |||
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No, just the statements by the administration that it’s water, food and medicine. Seems like if the Israeli’s are good with it, we ought to be. Most of the people in Gaza are just trying to survive. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I am concerned a “humanitarian corridor” everyone in the West and Middle Wast want will just be a rat line for Hamas to escape through, survive, and then attack. Like I said, it is a hard balancing test. I think there are not right answers. A few wrong ones. The rest are just the best you can make. | |||
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Jesus, supposedly intelligent adults thinking that the announcement of humanitarian aid means we're just sending cash in, apparently randomly. Look back up through this thread, they aren't hiding their abject ignorance, they almost seem proud of the fact that they don't know a fucking thing if it doesn't happen in their front yard or on Fox News. Just because you and all the Republicans you know think everything is like a Republican Convention or a strip club where you just throw cash on the stage, that's not how the real world works. Israel will inspect shipments to ensure they only contain food, water and medical supplies, they will be transported in trucks hired by international NGOs and the supplies will be distributed by those NGOs, not Hamas. Are ya'll really this pig-ignorant or do you just pretend to be? "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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I don’t disagree. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Any NGO operating in Gaza is sympathetic to Hamas…or they would not be able to operate there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It’s beyond me we give them anything Let their brethren help them for a change…yeah right Amazing … Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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Thanks, I couldn't (and can't) find the BOM. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I think this is only part of a 100 BILLION spending package. Funding for support of Israel, Ukraine, Tiawan, and domestic, etc. https://www.politico.com/news/...or-congress-00122597 "anticipated national security emergency spending request." "The roughly $100 billion national security request is expected to cover aid to Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan, as well as funding to address the nation’s southern border. The domestic policy request is slated to include funding for child care, broadband and disaster relief, and is likely to gain far less traction with Republicans on the Hill than its counterpart." ============================================ Also: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c96085ef48f0e3&ei=28 The Atlantic The Inflection Point Opinion by Peter Wehner • 4h https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...87e5c9b029b1fe&ei=47 A crisis of moral clarity: There's no contest between Trump and Biden — why are Americans confused? Opinion by Chauncey DeVega • 9 h President Biden has given a series of speeches and interviews where he condemned Hamas’ barbarism, reinforced America’s commitment to Israel, emphasized the need to find a long-term solution to peace in the region, attempted to calm worries that the war could spiral into a larger regional conflict, cautioned against the temptations of antisemitism and hatred in their various forms, and spoke directly about the need to protect the human rights of the people of Gaza, the majority of whom have no connection to Hamas. Ultimately, whatever one may think about America’s foreign policy as it relates to the Middle East and Israel, Biden’s leadership style and demeanor in this time of crisis are most certainly “presidential." By comparison, how have Donald Trump and the other leading Republican fascists and members of the right-wing movement behaved in response to the horrible events of October 7? Their reactions and behavior have, for the most part, been partisan, tribal, petty, egomaniacal, narcissistic, conspiratorial, dishonest, irresponsible, hateful, willfully ignorant, and more generally contrary to the principles of responsible governance. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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So you aren't pretending? "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Yep! Palestinians elected hamas, they new what Hamas was when they elected them! . | |||
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It ain't Israel's money. | |||
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70% of the people in Gaza weren't voters when Hamas was elected, half weren't born. Once Hamas got in power they did what Republicans tried to do on January 6th and just declared elections no longer necessary. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...c96085ef48f0e3&ei=36 White House asks Congress for $106 billion for Ukraine, Israel Story by Reuters • 9h ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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It is not, but how we support Israel has to balanced with his Israel needs put support. If we are assuming Israel shall he supported. | |||
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Israel has its interests, and the US its own interests. The two overlap somewhat, but not entirely. For instance, it wouldn't be in the US interest to alienate most of the Muslim world in order to give Israel a blank check. | |||
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they'll do just like last time. have a 2 hour window of cease-fire. wait for the trucks. hi-jack them. take what they want. sell the rest on the black market for 10X the normal price. why we gotta play these games time after time is beyond me. only a complete fool would think this time would be any different. | |||
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Well, the policy makers are about to Give Israel a major check. I agree a them. Others do not have to. I am lit even saying I would give this AID. I am saying we need to consider what Israke says it needs from us, if we are going to support them. | |||
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Make no mistake about it…it is our (Western Civilization and especially the USA) weakness. Since WWII, we set our rules of engagement to ridiculous levels and stumble over ourselves to aid and abet the enemy during conflict. In WWII, The Greatest Generation was not bogged down with such rubbish. Their mantra was to get them gooks and krauts killed any way possible and lets get back home to our families, farms, ranches, and businesses and live our American way of life. Yessir, it has become our weakness. We have lost out stomach to fight to win. And, mark my words, it is likely to be our downfall one day. The radical islamic jihadist have learned our weakness and have become masters at exploiting it. Examples??? Look no further than the current conflict. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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No…you are if you think otherwise. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You are exactly right. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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In general, I feel the same…support Israel and listen to their advice but with a grain of salt as well. My gut tells me the aid package is a waste of money, will do no good (except maybe a little positive political spin), and is aiding and abetting the enemy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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We did not fight WWII like the Nazis. The British Government and Military had to put a leash on Churchill when he all but lost his mind. What you identify is not weakness. Just like the opposite of your politics, means justify the end, the means has to match the end. Again, do not send this AUD to Gaza. Just understand you are doing it against bi-partisan support in the Senate, and against the Israel’s position on the matter. All I am saying that position being Israel’s needs to be considered. I cannot fault the administration giving Israel’s position. I worry Hamas will hijack the AID. I have strong gut reaction not to send AID while US citizens are held captive by Hamas. Those are my concerns, but they do not, and maybe should not carry the debate. I also fear the suggested humanitarian corridor would only be used as a rat lime for Hamas to get through. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Hamas is Palestine/ Palestine is Hamas. Any aid, humanitarian or otherwise is aid to Hamas. Don't forget fellas, the Germans were running to the Americans to surrender instead of being taken by the Russians. | |||
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You're an idiot. | |||
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