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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
So, what we see from M.E. is an assertion that information from those who did not or do not believe in the efficacy of the vaccines (known as anti-vaxxers) is suspect and based on lies and misinformation; while information from those who believe in the efficacy and accept the statistics as put forth by their side (we'll call them the pro-vaxxers) is based on truth and science.

The insistence on equating resistance to mandatory vaccination with membership in the Trump cult is insulting. I do believe that a larger percentage of Trump followers were opposed to the coercion which was employed to promote the vaccines. My honest opinion in this whole thing is that there is plenty of stupid to go around.

Oh, and yes, the Canadian government was and is, insane. Regards, Bill

I don't like to use the word "believe" in relation to the vaccine and choices thereof. Simply put, IMO the anti=vaxxers are prone to absorb and act on information other than facts and evidence, which is mostly theory, disinformation and misinformation. They are not just anti-vaxxers, but have a varying and spectrum of other presumptions ( beliefs ) also based in nonsense. And, it's a matter of screening sources rationally based on probability of accuracy in reality.

We can not 100% be absolutely sure of our sources, however much of the disinformation spewing was intentionally for sowing doubt. That's why I chose to trust my doctor, and CDC and WHO, etc., over any source I even suspected was tainted; Fox for sure, and anything out of Trump.

I didn't take it that Trump supporters were opposed to "coercion" but were just contrary and used the coercion narrative as an excuse, along with many other underlying "beliefs".

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:


I don't like to use the word "believe" in relation to the vaccine and choices thereof

then the facts are it isn't an effective vaccine, as it's a therapeutic. it doesn't prevent people from getting the virus, or from spreading the virus.

"believe" that, as all three major vax aren't

words like "booster" "second booster" and "third booster" means it's about as effective as a screen door on a submarine

That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I have at least one friend, believe it or not , who I graduated with, who caught the Covid and he is still suffering - can't breathe right, on oxygen over a year now. He didn't get the booster.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I do agree with you ME
It is virus after all and it constantly mutates/evolves and fortunately so far weakens

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I have at least one friend, believe it or not , who I graduated with, who caught the Covid and he is still suffering - can't breathe right, on oxygen over a year now. He didn't get the booster.

sometime before the invention of electricity, I was on a pre-med path, and learnt (that's actually the correct conjugation) how antibodies work in the human system, (forgoing all the lab drama) and had a great understanding of bacterial infections, when at the time we thought virial infections broke all the rules -- btaim, a vax gave a mild reaction to the infectant, and stepup the body to have a stronger response, due to pre-gaming. In terms of flu vaccine, they could do better, but it's a "best guess" at what flu virus we'll get this year. I haven't had a flu vax in a minute, due to the FACT that I 100% get sick from taking a flu vax, but rarely get the flu. when i stopped taking that vax, i had a roughly 50% chance of getting the flu for maybe 10 days, but if i took the vax, i was 100% likely to be sick for 3-4 days - in my case, it has worked out in my favor.

the heck with all this, it's coming on christmas and I want tamales

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Originally posted by Bivoj:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I do agree with you ME
It is virus after all and it constantly mutates/evolves and fortunately so far weakens

most viruses do weaken impact, this is called attenuation - in 5-8 years, getting covid won't be "a thing" but it will be normal

So, Lane was right, once.

Oh, BTW, once upon a time when I traveled by air, I generally caught something bronchial or intestinal which messed up my trip and those around me sometimes caught it too. Thus, I hate traveling by commercial air. It's been a long time since I've had the flu but I remember it hurt for a long time. I get the senior shot. Again, I don't expect the vaxx to prevent me catching it. I just want it to not hurt so much if I do. So far, so good.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I have at least one friend, believe it or not , who I graduated with, who caught the Covid and he is still suffering - can't breathe right, on oxygen over a year now. He didn't get the booster.

How many people get the flu and still have issues long after they should have recovered from it? Can't be very common as I don't ever recall hearing about it or talking about it. Sort of like being long COVID only it's long flu. I have a 14 YO granddaughter who developed POTS Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome which isn't uncommon among adolescent girls. There is a 25% chance she could be disabled because of it. Apparently she still has COVID antibodies indicating that her immune system is still fighting COVID according to her doctor. Plans are for IVIG treatment when she can finally see a specialist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...414c16030a373b&ei=24

Our immune system has a proactive response to Covid variants
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Doc Butler,
I read a couple weeks ago, that Vermont has one of the highest vax rates in the US. It was something like 94%, and has been since the vaxs came out. But it has one of the highest infection rates of covid for 2023. Any connection between the two?

I have no idea.

I could speculate, but it would be a WAG, as opposed to a SWAG.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Bivoj:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's a concise way to say it, Jeffee, and something simple enough so I can understand.

Say, compared to the Measels or smallpox vaccine or polio, which as far as I know protects a person from catching the disease, the Covid vaxx is like the flue shot. With so many variants mutating so rapidly, complete protection is next to impossible, but the immune system can be "boosted" as you say. That's the best one can hope for. Works for me, and seemingly worked for me.

I do agree with you ME
It is virus after all and it constantly mutates/evolves and fortunately so far weakens

most viruses do weaken impact, this is called attenuation - in 5-8 years, getting covid won't be "a thing" but it will be normal

I have been thinking on this, which is never a good thing. a virulent pathogen actually shortens it's own reproductive chances when it kills the host, especially quickly. It doesn't have good chances of propagation - of course the pathogen isn't rational in this model - when it attenuates -becomes less deadly, then it can have a longer window to propagate, the longer the window, the more often the attenuated pathogen can reproduce - which is were we are now- apparently it is/was a rapidly mutating virus, and has found a way to propagate the longest.

Don't get me wrong, the flu still kills, sometimes even quickly, but it's very mild compared to the spanish flu -