Nute, I read an interesting article on Norway and electric cars.
They said the biggest reason they work so well for Norway was it being a much smaller country and commutes to work were roughly half of a US driver.
Another was almost all kept their car inside with a charger plugged in to keep the battery warm in winters.
Something found far less with US electric car owners.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

The conditions that have prevailed since the end of the Ice Age you ignoramus, the ones that made agriculture possible to begin with and whose few excursions outside the norms were marked by famine.

adding to the list of jobs Jeff55 isn't qualified for meteorologist, geologist, internet "researcher" - little ie age, year without a winter, roman maximum, just to name a few interesting deviations from norm that were not marked by "famine" ...

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

The conditions that have prevailed since the end of the Ice Age you ignoramus, the ones that made agriculture possible to begin with and whose few excursions outside the norms were marked by famine.

adding to the list of jobs Jeff55 isn't qualified for meteorologist, geologist, internet "researcher" - little ie age, year without a winter, roman maximum, just to name a few interesting deviations from norm that were not marked by "famine" ...

quote:

"Famines in France 1693–94, Norway 1695–96 and Sweden 1696–97 claimed roughly 10 percent of the population of each country. In Estonia and Finland in 1696–97, losses have been estimated at a fifth and a third of the national populations, respectively.

During the Little Ice Age.

Link

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

The conditions that have prevailed since the end of the Ice Age you ignoramus, the ones that made agriculture possible to begin with and whose few excursions outside the norms were marked by famine.

adding to the list of jobs Jeff55 isn't qualified for meteorologist, geologist, internet "researcher" - little ie age, year without a winter, roman maximum, just to name a few interesting deviations from norm that were not marked by "famine" ...

Link

Hell, just browse this list:

Link

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Nute, I read an interesting article on Norway and electric cars.
They said the biggest reason they work so well for Norway was it being a much smaller country and commutes to work were roughly half of a US driver.
Another was almost all kept their car inside with a charger plugged in to keep the battery warm in winters.
Something found far less with US electric car owners.

Fair comment. They also plug their vehicles in overnight when left outside. No idea if you can do that to keep a battery warm but I dont see why not.

My point was that B.Fish just painting the things as of no use is inaccurate, for millions of people living with them in cold climates is not an issue. I suspect millions of Americans could use them with no issues too with a little bit of intelligence.

Ive said it before so sorry to repeat myself but I have a car which is 111 years old. When it was made owning a car was a bit of a chore as apart from getting gas to put in the thing it needs endless titivating every few miles to keep it on the road. The manual is written "your driver will need to ... etc" on the assumption that you had a full time man to do all the crap it needs to keep it on the road.

Funnily enough they still caught on.

The best use of an EV would be in the city, short drives, cut pollution etc. The problem is, anyone who lives in an apartment parks on the street, or, if lucky in a lot. No place to have a plug in.
A good battery, say 1000 cranking amps, will start a vehicle at -40 with little trouble. Get a couple years on the battery, and your chances of starting goes down greatly. I used to go out to the log landing in the middle of the night at -40 to start and let the skidder run, to warm the block and recharge the battery. Now I have quick connects to run hot antifreeze through the skidder from my truck before starting!
How well do EV batteries hold up over time in cold climates?
Aside from ev's.
Jeffe, mentioned this. Why did emissions drop during covid lock down but co2 levels continue to rise? I never heard a good explanation for it.
Kabob claims scientists are never wrong. Yet the climate scientists said co2 levels were going to drop with lockdown.
It seems, there is still much to learn.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
The best use of an EV would be in the city, short drives, cut pollution etc. The problem is, anyone who lives in an apartment parks on the street, or, if lucky in a lot. No place to have a plug in.
A good battery, say 1000 cranking amps, will start a vehicle at -40 with little trouble. Get a couple years on the battery, and your chances of starting goes down greatly. I used to go out to the log landing in the middle of the night at -40 to start and let the skidder run, to warm the block and recharge the battery. Now I have quick connects to run hot antifreeze through the skidder from my truck before starting!
How well do EV batteries hold up over time in cold climates?
Aside from ev's.
Jeffe, mentioned this. Why did emissions drop during covid lock down but co2 levels continue to rise? I never heard a good explanation for it.
Kabob claims scientists are never wrong. Yet the climate scientists said co2 levels were going to drop with lockdown.
It seems, there is still much to learn.

Yeah, the retardedness of current planning where no one is prepared to work with anyone else. Left wing push to remove cars and vehicles from cities by closing off areas to traffic and creating high density housing without the means to garage a vehicle. Which means people are moving away from the cities, which are becoming derelict and travelling more!

Al Gore ain't no hero of mine, Ann, bless your heart.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Al Gore ain't no hero of mine, Ann, bless your heart.

I watched the other day Gores video…what a shit show
Meant well but turned out as a laughing stock and bit ridiculous
Overall I do believe in clean environment and do best I can to strive in that but even in that field extremists take over on both side so it seems and that’s the saddest part of politics and scientific community as well

Finally, Bivoj, something we agree on.

BTW, I don't consider Gore as part of the scientific community. Instead, he thought of himself as a messenger, but as it turned out he wasn't the best. Perhaps that's an understatement. Anyway, he was flawed. And, he probably did more harm than good, not of his making. That's gotta hurt for him, since he is/was so sincere and good intentioned.

I learned long ago that sincerity, alone, is not a virtue, although by definition it is.

Definition:
Sincerity is the virtue of one who communicates and acts in accordance with the entirety of their feelings, beliefs, thoughts, and desires in a manner that is honest and genuine. Sincerity in one's actions may be called "earnestness".

Last I looked, all zealots are sincere.

So, you see, Gore was acting sincere, based in feelings, belief, thought, desire, and he was honest and genuine in expression.

But that's not science.

I agree, he meant well
At the same time as politician just removed from VP should have known better
Naïveté was his virtue but also he made plenty of money on that so it makes me suspicious as well as the old saying goes…follow the money…

I doubt that he did it for the money.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I doubt that he did it for the money.

On what basis?

He sure didn’t make any lifestyle changes because of his belief in AGW.

You’ve condemned conservatives with far less information.

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I doubt that he did it for the money.

On what basis?

He sure didn’t make any lifestyle changes because of his belief in AGW.

You’ve condemned conservatives with far less information.

Right there is my point as well

We're all three speculating. But, I figure he didn't need more money.

Except, I have yet to see anyone, who no matter how much money they have will say that they don’t need more money and act upon it
Money is power and that right there is a motivator…always

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

The conditions that have prevailed since the end of the Ice Age you ignoramus, the ones that made agriculture possible to begin with and whose few excursions outside the norms were marked by famine.

adding to the list of jobs Jeff55 isn't qualified for meteorologist, geologist, internet "researcher" - little ie age, year without a winter, roman maximum, just to name a few interesting deviations from norm that were not marked by "famine" ...

quote:

"Famines in France 1693–94, Norway 1695–96 and Sweden 1696–97 claimed roughly 10 percent of the population of each country. In Estonia and Finland in 1696–97, losses have been estimated at a fifth and a third of the national populations, respectively.

During the Little Ice Age.

Link

Aww, it's so cute when they keep trying, after being overwhelmed -- I mean, i get it, the reading capability appears to e there - anyway here's the SCIENCE in your link, jeffery
Length of Little Ice Age
400+ years let's call it 1400-1800

Length of time of REGIONAL famines given by the little tyke
FOUR -

4
1,2,3,4

hmmm,
1 PERCENT of the time of the little ice age had a couple localized crop failures -

Say, jeffery, most scientist consider a 1 percent variance to still be normal - the other 99% of the time it just went along -

So, that covers off a significant portion of modern human history as to being cooler than "the norm" that lasted centuries, and you want to raise 4 years of crop failure IN THE MIDDLE of little ice age, to say "see"...

That's called cherry picking - that's not science, that's clickbait

what else interesting happened just prior to 1695?
That might have impacted human available to farm?
Ph, just the black plague

But, you haven't even touched on the history prior, to let's say the period called the Roman Optimum, which lasted at least 1,000 years, which was "excursion outside" of the norm --- which was most certainly not marked as a time of famine.