https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7c0eb75ad40164&ei=34

Also:

GOP leaders defang Boebert strong-arming on Biden impeachment

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7c0eb75ad40164&ei=69

Also:

House Republicans move to strip security clearances from any official that said in 2020 that the release of Hunter Biden's emails had 'classic earmarks of a Russian information operation'
Story by bgriffiths@insider.com (Brent D. Griffiths) • 1h ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...93c4846d424f66&ei=44

I’m going to hold onto this for the next three dozen times someone says Trump was exonerated by the Mueller report while having never read a word of it - and after Bill Barr redacted 38% of it with his Magic Marker.

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“The only distinguishing thing between [Mueller’s] investigation and yours is he refused to bring charges where he couldn’t prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and you did,” Schiff said.

Durham brought three charges forward, went to trial with two, and won convictions on zero—a point Democrats repeatedly brought up during the hearing.

Mueller’s investigation concluded that there were “multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government.”

“Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied way.”

The Mueller investigation ultimately brought forward roughly three dozen charges and about a half-dozen convictions.

But hey, don’t let any of that slow your Trumpite prejudices.

Worshiping at the alter of trump.

The Durham hearing before congress was interesting too.

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...429fd9dfa56f8b&ei=80

"Politically dumb": House Republicans fume after Lauren Boebert goes "rogue" on Biden impeachment
Story by Tatyana Tandanpolie • 2h ago

The republicans have lost their minds. That stupid censure gesture against Schiff. Letting a moron like Boebert dictate an impeachment against the POTUS. How has that stupid little bitch managed to leverage herself into a position of power in the Grand Old Party?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. There is no limit to the depth to which the republicans will sink.

Schiff is a lying bastard though…regardless of anyone else.

Go back and reread his early statements of what “he had seen proof of.”

I listened to shiff tell the world, word by word what trump and putin said to each other...he HAD THE PROOF. He repeated shit like that so often, I thought he must have the real thing. He flat out lied. Yes all politicians lie, but he would do it and say the proof of just what he repeated was coming. I wouldnt piss in his face if his eyes were on fire.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...m-schiff/ar-AA1cU1Dg

House Republicans’ ‘Sham’ Censure Was a Gift to Adam Schiff
Story by Ed Kilgore • 3h ago

In the end, the politician most pleased with the censure may actually be none other than Adam Schiff. He already plans to leave the House at the end of his current term as he runs for the U.S. Senate seat of Dianne Feinstein. In a complicated and expensive primary in which he faces progressive House colleagues Barbara Lee and Katie Porter, Schiff is widely perceived as more moderate than your average California Democrat. So even before being censured, Schiff was very much campaigning on the partisan enmity he had aroused as every Republican’s least favorite House Democrat. From that perspective, a formal censure is as good as it gets. And Schiff’s reaction to the hostile move was certainly anything but defensive or evasive:

"To my Republican colleagues who introduced this sham resolution: You honor me with your enmity.

You flatter me with this falsehood.

Your words tell me that I have been effective in the defense of our democracy, and I am grateful."

Adam Schiff

The parliamentary theater surrounding the censure vote certainly reinforced Schiff’s “bloodied but unbowed” posture: House Democrats surrounded him on the floor, chanting “Adam! Adam!” and then shouting “Shame! Shame!” as McCarthy orchestrated the proceedings. At one point, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has endorsed Schiff’s Senate bid, sat next to him in the House chamber. It was exactly the picture Schiff might have painted in his own imagination. So don’t expect his censure to tranquilize him in the slightest; if the Ethics Committee decides to intensify his punishment, Schiff will bank some more campaign contributions and smile for the cameras.

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https://thehill.com/newsletter...reprimanding-others/

The Hill’s Morning Report — House GOP censures Schiff, eyes reprimanding others
BY ALEXIS SIMENDINGER AND KRISTINA KARISCH - 06/22/23 6:20 AM ET

If voters envisioned a reality TV House of Representatives, the determined paybacks by some Republicans aimed at the foes of President Trump — one liberal Democratic congressman as well as President Biden — fit that script.

The House voted 213-209-6 along party lines on Wednesday to censure Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) as punishment for his 2019 handling of an Intelligence Committee investigation examining Trump’s finances and Russia and to protest his role in Trump’s impeachment. His censure was only the third such House rebuke in the 21st century

The vote marked the apex of Republicans’ years-long campaign against Schiff, who emerged as a bogeyman on the right for his unrelenting criticism of Trump and eagerness to investigate the former president’s actions before and during his time in office

Schiff told his colleagues he had no regrets for trying to hold “a dangerous and out-of-control president accountable” and would do it again in the future, if need be.

Schiff told CNN on Tuesday that Trump threatened to defeat GOP primary candidates who did not vote for the censure resolution: “It shows you just who is behind this whole effort to distract from Trump’s legal problems. [It] is Trump.”

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
I listened to shiff tell the world, word by word what trump and putin said to each other...he HAD THE PROOF. He repeated shit like that so often, I thought he must have the real thing. He flat out lied. Yes all politicians lie, but he would do it and say the proof of just what he repeated was coming. I wouldnt piss in his face if his eyes were on fire.

+1

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Schiff is a lying bastard though…regardless of anyone else.

Go back and reread his early statements of what “he had seen proof of.”

I hear you.

I did a search on Schiff, and his supposed lies, but I haven't been able to verify for sure either way.

I found this article, and it tells the exact basis the republicans based the censure on. I don't see them say specifically it was for lies.

The democrats say it was punishment doled out at Trump's bidding and it was for Schiff's role in the investigations and impeachment.

I take it that it's just the beginning tip of the berg of Trump's retribution quest.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...ussia-investigations

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7c6507d1b12c50&ei=19

Lauren Boebert shredded over impeachment: 'We're debating garbage to make Trump happy'
Story by David Edwards • 8h ago

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Schiff is a lying b*stard though…regardless of anyone else.

Go back and reread his early statements of what “he had seen proof of.”

Yep - repeatedly said he had proof -- this is a real nothing burger - glad they slapped him on the wrist

And that worries me about Trump getting back in. It will all be about payback. He would put going forward behind revenge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...9876130507dc66&ei=39

GOP lawmakers unveil measure to expunge Trump impeachments
Story by Andrew Solender • 17m ago

I wish someone would back up their claims that Schiff lied with evidence.

Maybe I was just distracted by all those Trump lies at the time and missed Schiff's lies.

BTW, republicans had two chances to censure Trump, and let him go.

Now they are all righteous about Schiff's supposed lies. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that - or does it? They are just getting started, instead of legislating they are doing Trump's bidding on vengeance.

I listened to them day after day. He fooled me, I admit. I'm not wasting time digging them up for you. There must be video clips as it is all recorded on c-span.

I have looked.

I found some stuff from Fox News during the period of time that they were lying. So, I disregarded all that. I saw where McCarthy made a bunch of claims - seemed like hype BS to me.

I found an article in Wa Po:

https://www.washingtonpost.com...chiff-eric-swalwell/
McCarthy’s specious attacks on Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell

Analysis by Glenn Kessler
The Fact Checker

Bottom line:

McCarthy earns Four Pinocchios.

Maybe I'll have better luck searching for articles of proof there is no Santa Clause.

Go back and pull up cspan, thats where I listened to him spout, right on the house floor.
Make sure you have a project to work on while listening, lots of empty noise to disregard. It's no wonder so little gets done.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Schiff is a lying b*stard though…regardless of anyone else.

Go back and reread his early statements of what “he had seen proof of.”

Yep - repeatedly said he had proof -- this is a real nothing burger - glad they slapped him on the wrist

Be interesting to see if Grassley gets the same treatment in the Senate when it turns out he is full of shit as well.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I wish someone would back up their claims that Schiff lied with evidence.

here - go look yourself - you can find the words right from his mouth
https://www.youtube.com/result...ff+russian+collusion

btw, you are of the very few that seems to think he didn't

The whole thing is a joke. trump can't open his mouth without lying. Neither can McCarthy or any other republican. Spending time censuring Schiff is ridiculous. Total waste of time.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I wish someone would back up their claims that Schiff lied with evidence.

here - go look yourself - you can find the words right from his mouth
https://www.youtube.com/result...ff+russian+collusion

btw, you are of the very few that seems to think he didn't

Thanks for the link. I watched several of the videos and some more that popped up on the sideline.

Funny thing - none made the case that he was lying. Even those extra videos, some of which made the claim of Schiff lying yet their "proof" failed.

I don't get it. Something is way off tilt here.

And I don't believe I'm one of the "very few" to think Schiff wasn't lying.

Here - I'll choose just one of your linked videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUjmHIEVg2g&t=131s

I see no evidence that Schiff lied.

Actually, I see evidence that he said the utter truth, and partially exposed the Durham farce. -

Aaah, so Durham lied, which means IG Horowitz lied, which means the Mueller report must have lied, as they are all intwined.
Find where Shiff over and over claimed Trump had direct calls with Putin. And even what was said between them. No-one has yet produced that, even when Schiff said he had the proof. That sis an outright lie. You can ignore it, but anyone who watched him say it multiple times knows he's a liar.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Aaah, so Durham lied, which means IG Horowitz lied, which means the Mueller report must have lied, as they are all intwined.

I didn't say that Durham lied. You connect too many dots there.

quote:

Find where Shiff over and over claimed Trump had direct calls with Putin.

I've not found where Schiff said that, especially in the context of lies. So, along with the rest of your stuff, I think you made it up.

quote:

And even what was said between them. No-one has yet produced that, even when Schiff said he had the proof. That sis an outright lie. You can ignore it, but anyone who watched him say it multiple times knows he's a liar.

As far as I know, Schiff didn't say he has such proof, in the context as you claim.

Even if Trump had direct calls with Putin, they are usually (supposed to be) part of the record.

And BTW, Kushner tried to set up a back-door clandestine method of direct communication between Trump and Putin, outside the standard/normal channels.

Trump did have a private meeting during Putin's visit. The one where Trump disparaged his own intelligence and agencies, in front of the world and Putin, who couldn't smile anymore wide than physically possible.

And BTW, Trump made sure the stuff they talked about in the one-on-one meeting, behind closed doors, never made the light of day.

Schiff made numerous claims that he did not follow through on.

And when I took the stand that similar levels of statements by Republican types couldn’t prove lying, just that they were not proven, you claimed that was alt reality.

While I’m willing to think Schiff might be as easily mislead and as problematic as several Trump folks, using your standards of repeated unproven claims that have not been tested in court are still proof of malfeasance you should be proclaiming him a flat out liar.

In any case, he’s clearly willing to overstate things when it’s in his political favor.

He’s a danger to democracy from that standpoint.

I was wondering if you were still active herein, doc.

Glad to see you are still posting.

Quote:

"using your standards of repeated unproven claims that have not been tested in court are still proof of malfeasance you should be proclaiming him a flat out liar."

uhhh?

Remember, Doc, there is the court of the public knowledge, and then there is the court per the rule of law. The burden of (enough) evidence is different comparing the two. Schiff was correct and told the truth in saying there is much evidence in coordination between Russian (Putin) and the Trump campaign and even Trump himself. Need I be specific?

Granted, some of the "evidence" that Schiff thought was good turned out to be not-so-good, such as the Steel dossier. He thought it was good at the time he used it. Some folks extrapolate that to the whole spectrum. That's not right.

There is plenty of evidence completely aside from the Steel dossier. Aside from that, from the videos I saw, Schiff was specific in his examples, and they were factual.

Appealing to the public with evidence and claims thereof is not malfeasance.

Appealing to the public with flat out lies is malfeasance, such as what Trump does thousands of times.

That's too easy, Jeff.

I get your point, though.

Again, thanks for posting the links. They were probably as good as it's gonna get.

If you don't mind, or anyone else, take one of those videos, and ID a specific point in the time where Schiff lied. That shouldn't be difficult.

I'll be glad to concede or argue the point.

Edited:

I'll go ahead and give you, or anyone else, a video of Schiff that I think is exactly representative of what he's been saying all along. So, point out specifically where he is lying, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZafTtNBrZs

Kabob, the master of the opinion post as truth, thinks schiff is a straight shooter. Thats a WOW.
I listen to cspan, it's not my fault you only get news from liberal news sources. Opinion pieces are news, but anything from Fox is not. Not the way it works in the real world.

Schiff says he doesnt regret paraphrasing
by jack davis
This was one time of many.

We have discussed this many times. I do not shun opinion pieces when they are well founded. I prefer straight news, if there is such a thing. Practically any article or video or broadcast can be slanted by what they include or not. It sometimes comes down to who to trust. Fox seems to be getting more trustworthy, IMO, except Hannity and some others.

Anyway, I think of all "news" or media, as in some varying part, opinion. I like the opinion articles because mostly they ethically declare they are opinion, or commentary, etc. right up top. But they have to cover their bases with facts and evidence, even if selective, before I consider them worthy.

The video I posted above as an example or representative of the stuff Schiff spouts is not what I label as opinion article. It's exactly wat Schiff says.

I'll post it again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZafTtNBrZs

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Schiff says he doesnt regret paraphrasing
by jack davis
This was one time of many.

I saw that. So, where is the problem?

You paraphrase often, and that's ok. If Schiff does it, at least his takeaway is not tainted so much.

That's a weak argument you're making, IMO.

Because he said he had proof of that conversation. He only admitted to paraphrasing, after he was called out and had no proof, several months later.
Big,big difference you are ignoring.
There are other times of doing the same thing, he just uses the same line to dodge the lie, when he has to show the proof of his words.
Same shit going on right now with the Bidens.
'We have proof" yell doesnt mean shit It has to be there where all can see it.

I suppose this is what you are talking about:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27...aine-call/index.html

Fact check: Breaking down Adam Schiff’s account of Trump’s Ukraine call
Daniel Dale
Analysis by Daniel Dale
Published 5:17 PM EDT, Fri September 27, 2019

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That was a long time ago, yet you are still clinging to the cult leader, Trump's, directives to his fodder followers.

That's telling.

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Here's another take on it:

https://www.factcheck.org/2019...and-trumps-response/

Schiff’s ‘Parody’ and Trump’s Response
By Lori Robertson

Posted on October 1, 2019

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Aaah, so Durham lied, which means IG Horowitz lied, which means the Mueller report must have lied, as they are all intwined.

I didn't say that Durham lied. You connect too many dots there.

quote:

Find where Shiff over and over claimed Trump had direct calls with Putin.

I've not found where Schiff said that, especially in the context of lies. So, along with the rest of your stuff, I think you made it up.

quote:

And even what was said between them. No-one has yet produced that, even when Schiff said he had the proof. That sis an outright lie. You can ignore it, but anyone who watched him say it multiple times knows he's a liar.

As far as I know, Schiff didn't say he has such proof, in the context as you claim.

Even if Trump had direct calls with Putin, they are usually (supposed to be) part of the record.

And BTW, Kushner tried to set up a back-door clandestine method of direct communication between Trump and Putin, outside the standard/normal channels.

Trump did have a private meeting during Putin's visit. The one where Trump disparaged his own intelligence and agencies, in front of the world and Putin, who couldn't smile anymore wide than physically possible.

And BTW, Trump made sure the stuff they talked about in the one-on-one meeting, behind closed doors, never made the light of day.

I wonder if after having his notes confiscated by trump that the interpreter for that private meeting rewrote them from memory as soon as he had the chance. If not, he should have.

TB40,
If you have an objective bone or brain cell in your body, read this:

If you don't have the fortitude to read it all, then scroll down to the part about collusion (How important is the issue of collusion?)

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/front...terview/adam-schiff/

Intervention in the U.S. Election
PBS Frontline interview with Adam Schiff

To me, the collusion is everything. Russia, China, N Korea, Iran and others are always going to interfere in our elections, just as we interfere in theirs.
I have to go by the investigations. Mueller said he could find no collusion. There were some involvment by others, they paid the price.
But without actual proof Trump colluded, I cant say he did. The same goes for Joe Biden and China. Hunter was in deep shit up to his eyebrows, but until there is something concrete, Biden is not guilty. That is the way it is suppose to work.
We have proof now, with the Durham report, Hillary's team, Maybe not Hillary herself, used the steel files as disinformation. It is no more right than Trump using what he was handed. Politics is nasty stuff, do we all wish it was done on substance, yes. Will we ever see it, no.

Something I discovered while researching something else:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._officials_and_spies

Links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies

quote:

Mueller said he could find no collusion.

That's a Trump lie that you are parroting.

https://www.politico.eu/articl...no-obstruction-line/

Mueller refutes Trump’s ‘no collusion, no obstruction’ line

Former special counsel Robert Mueller pushed back against U.S. President Donald Trump’s characterizations of his 22-month investigation, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that he did not evaluate “collusion” with the Russian government, and confirming that his report did not conclude that there was “no obstruction” of the probe.

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

“The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House judiciary committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office.