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February 24, 1836 Commandancy of the The Alamo Bejar, Feby. 24th. 1836 To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World- Fellow Citizens & compatriots- I am besieged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna - I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man - The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken - I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls - I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch - The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country - Victory or Death. William Barret Travis. Lt. Col.comdt. P. S. The Lord is on our side - When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn - We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels and got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves. Travis -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | ||
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Remember the Alamo!  Paid my respects a few days ago while in San Antonio for the State FFA Trap Finals at the National Shooting Complex with my son. A place of reverence! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The original letter is currently on loan for a month to the Alamo. It went on display last Friday at the gorgeous new visitor center and will be there until March 24. Surely something to see! https://www.thealamo.org/visit...of-the-travis-letter There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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This reminds me of a current standoff. https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...id=socialshare&t=103 Ukrainian fighter recounts the challenges and triumphs of surviving every major battle https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...55ea65fdb4751e&ei=28 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Always! Remember the Alamo! . | |||
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https://www.thealamo.org/remember/myths-and-legends Alamo Myths, Legends and Misconceptions ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Travis was a brave man and a patriot. Someone to admire. If todays Democrats were alive back then, they would raise the issue that he may have had syphilis and that he was discriminating against the Mexican people, as well as the fact that despite being hopelessly outnumbered, his troops had superior arms so he didn't fight fair. | |||
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100%  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I think most Texans are history revisionists, martyr mongers, relentless hard heads and reality deniers. Given the facts, it looks like those guys who Texans deem martyrs now were there then not for glory or principle, but to exploit the chaos at the time, to get rich. "The Lord is on our side" is a big clue as well. https://sanantonioreport.org/r...t-really-represents/ Remember the Alamo for what it really represents San Antonio Report (excerpt) But no one doubted that slavery was a temporary expedient that Mexico would abolish unequivocally. Alarmed by the volume of Anglo-American immigration, Mexico attempted to end it in 1830. But by 1834, that number had doubled from 10,000 to 21,000. Unauthorized immigrants , some of them in the form of organized militias recruited within slave states in blatant violation of the Neutrality Act, played a significant role in the revolt that broke out in 1835. Without the New Orleans Greys, who clamored for battle, San Antonio and the Alamo would not have fallen in late 1835. ================================================ The New Orleans Greys was a Military volunteer unit of two militia companies that totaled about 120, formed in the city of that name for service in the Texas War of Independence. Its name came from its soldiers' grey military fatigues. Wikipedia ============================================== (There's a lot more - read the article) ============================================== So, you see, Texans are the ultimate hypocrites. It's no small wonder why they are so keen about immigrants and demonizing them. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Talk about revisionism…the pot is calling the kettle black — from the man that believes the Founders wanted a government free of religion versus one that granted freedom ‘of’ religion. ME not only wears the blinders of revisionism he has the coke-bottle-bottom revisionist shades as well.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I have never advocated that. It's your persecution syndrome interpretation of what I've said. It's unreasonable to expect the govt to be "free" of religion. By using the word "free" as a distinction, I don't mean excluding religious people from positions of authority within govt. That would be the flip side of what Christian Nationalists want - just the flip side but nonetheless authoritarian. What I mean is that the constitution is secular. The formation of govt by the founders was also intentionally secular. I think freedom of religion does not include the mandate to imbed religion into the functions of governance. I think it is the duty of all religious people involved in governance to honor the Founders' intent regarding secular governance. The problem is they can't do it. I think they should be discouraged (gently and reasonably) from such violations, but not excluded. "Free" interpreted as excluded or exclusive in this context would be contrary to the principles of the Founders just as much as (all) included or inclusive or free to extent of imbedding religion to supplant secular is. If it were neutral, no big deal. But it isn't neutral (or natural IMO) to Christian Nationalists, which Texas is infested with. I see no good or reasonable reason that religious and secular people can't get along in life and governance with one exception. That is religious people, especially Christian Nationalists won't leave it neutral, but instead push constantly, practically militant malignity. They can't and won't stop, leaving push back as the only option. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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As stated, I love America and believe it to be the greatest country on earth. I also believe in USA governance that puts America and American’s interests first. That makes me fit the definition of a nationalist. I also believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior — which makes me a Christian. Therefore, I suppose I am a Christian Nationalist. So tell me what it is that people like me do that is against the Founder’s vision. As a student of the Founder’s writings…I see myself very much in line with their thinking. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, the problem arises when you hear (at political events nonetheless) that the reason we should support Israel is that until they are in control of the entirety of the original kingdom of Israel, the rapture can’t happen. I’m certainly no leftist, but there are a lot of folks who support Israel not out of some sense of right or wrong, but out of an interpretation of an allegorical prophecy in the Bible. Some of these folks just make you shake your head… They certainly have the right to vote that way, but it’s not a valid way to run the country. Heck, by that logic, we should tell the Russians we are pressing the button and do so… that would certainly bring about Armageddon and thus the rapture… God gave us free will (made in his image) as a test. Frankly, while the secular humanists take it too far, so do certain religious people. | |||
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Well, actually....Travis was on the run from creditors and looking at a jail sentence in Alabama for failure to pay over $800 in debt at the time he lit out for Texas. He also was largely responsible for the massacre that occurred at the Alamo due to his failure to evacuate from San Antonio and to blow up the fort. After he was ordered by Sam Houston to do so. It's a great story but Magine is correct: it's mostly bullshit and Travis was a screw-up. I'll agree he was brave. Although, he really didn't do much fighting at the Alamo. Took a ball through the forehead at the beginning of the final assault on March 6. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I appreciate the spirit of the story. It's a great American story. Mitchell's post reminded me of that football player with the Arizona Cardinals that joined the army and died in Afghanistan. What a fine American! I guess the army lied and intentionally made up a heroic fable that didn't include his death by friendly fire, but regardless he was a fine American and should be remembered so, just like the defenders of the Alamo. M.E., you've obviously got a burr in your saddle lately, how about working on the burr instead of being grouchy with us? | |||
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Pat Tillman. There's an excellent book about Tillman and the cover-up of his death by the US Army called Where Men Win Glory. Terrible tragedy. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I think you are whitewashing the point, if not missing it. You know darn well, or ought to know that it's not summed down to American interests first. That needs defining to mean anything. For example, our interests include the well-being of all residents, whether citizens or not and including the environment. And our interests are world wide. It's certainly not zero-sum as Trump consistently puts it, again and again. That's a prime distinction. I disagree that all it takes to be a Christian Nationalist is declaring support for the idea of America First and be a Christian. That's the whitewash. I have made multiple posts that make distinctions beyond that, and you have ignored them. Why should I repeat myself so you can ignore again? Quote: "So tell me what it is that people like me do that is against the Founder’s vision."(?) It's not easy to answer your question. Although you didn't put a question mark at the end of the sentence, I did for clarity. For one thing, it seems that you, and more in particular Christian Nationalists lack or intentionally muddy a distinction between patriotism and nationalism. Others can answer it better than I can: "Although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat and revenge, the nationalist is uninterested in what happens in the real world." George Orwell. https://youtu.be/o98qMWjXnkY?si=vPMSvYiKT5SK8JEa https://www.dictionary.com/e/p...tism-vs-nationalism/ Patriotism vs. Nationalism: What’s The Difference? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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A lot of what I'm writing here, lately, are ideas that have been developing a long time. Much of it I haven't said or written before. The expression of it is new turf, but the ideas have been latent for many years. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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No one knows what would have happened had Colonel Travis abandoned his position. We do know that Santa Anna was defeated as it occurred and Texas was born. Lot’s of people with less than glorious pasts accomplished great feats that changed the course of the world. None of us were around to meet Travis and he paid the ultimate price for his calculations along with other mighty men like Bowie and Crockett. I reserve a heroic space in my heart for these men. In today’s world you would be hard pressed find any with their mettle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm not disparaging the brave men that died at the Alamo. Shit, I'm the one that started this thread. Those men were paladins. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I'm not disparaging them either. I'm just saying there is a lot of interesting history there besides the myths, martyrs, legends, and embellishments. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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ME, Let me buy you a plane ticket to San Antonio. Lane, Mitchell, maybe Jines, and I will meet you there - we'll show you SA, eat some interesting food, some great ritas, and take you for a walk along the riverwalk we can discuss your "views" on the Texas Revolution within sight of the Alamo, perhaps right at the cenotaph. Run your mouth all you want - we'll listen patiently and wait our turn to rebut maybe I can get the other guys to go in on the plane. then, whoever is still up to it, we can go up to driftwood and have bbq opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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i think that's called ideation or chronic psychosis - you can get help for that www.betterhealth.com opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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First you make what appears to be a legit invite. I am planning a trip to E. Texas soon, for some fishing. My transport, a short bus  which I converted to a camper has been very fond of mechanics, who are fond of money. I finally got it to a ford dealer today, where all recommendations say there resides an expert on 7.3 L diesels.===================================== BTW, I don't run my mouth about politics or religion in person. It has proven to not be fun. There are much better topics, especially amongst Texans. ====================================== Then you devolve into diagnosing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis Now that's one of your most interesting posts, Jeffee. Let's explore your expertise more. Is there no limit to your knowledge on this magic forum? What's your favorite magic knowledge elixir? Is it rum, whisky, maybe pot, or all combined? I've noticed that you are at your best about this time of evening. Reconsider your diagnosis. You have mistaken psychic for psychosis. I sense the character of persons through cyberspace. It's a gift. Don't worry. It's a common mistake with those afflicted with Dunning–Kruger effect. Since there is no cure, my best advice for you is learn to live with your condition. We have. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Nah. Screw him we don't need hand wringing ole women like that turd in our great state. . | |||
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The only "ideas" you have are cut and pasted from other idiots with screwed up priorities just like yours! . | |||
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************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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You said , "I'm not disparaging them either." My Man, the above is nothing but disparaging. Lighten up a little. | |||
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The death by both Anglos and Mexicans as heroic in the face of the fire and iron. The fact the Texans revolted largely over slavery after taking oaths of loyalty to the Mexican government is also a fact. | |||
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I'm in. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I'm "listening" to you my friend. Mostly in the post you quoted I am "disparaging" present day Texans, for the reasons stated, history revisionists mostly. They like to make up shit and have for a long time. Also, hard heads - it's in the genes or the water - can't tell which. Regarding the martyrs, I'm mostly just telling some of the "rest of the story". They can still be brave heroes inclusive with the truth and backstory, and embellishments. Hardly anything is pure and simple and practically everyone makes mistakes, flawed in some way, and has several reasons for their actions, even ulterior motives. They can be brave heroes too, nonetheless. I just like it a lot when I find an excuse to pick on present day Texans. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I am going to chuckle all day about this one Jtex, you want lunch at la Familia or Mi Tierra (owned by same family, la Familia isn't as busy/crowded) with him? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Y'all are doing such a find job calling each others names that I will leave that to you. But unless you have been to the Alamo and seen some of the collections, I will bet very few realize that one of the greatest benefactors of the Alamo is none other than the rocker Phil Collins, God bless that man. I am quite happy to confess I had a lump in my throat every moment I was in that hallowed place.     There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Please remember to remove your hat when you enter the chapel. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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While I appreciate the gesture, there is a problem. I don't fly anymore. Even in a crisis of some sort, I'd find another way or option. The "expert" is working on my "short bus"  now. I named it the blunder bus. For all its issues mechanically, it's still a good solution to my travel transportation, and it's still less expensive compared to alternate vehicles, especially a regular motor home. And it's a pleasure to drive when it's running right. After all the work done, it should be mostly fixed now - 12 to 15 thousand $, not counting the initial purchase, and not counting what the "expert" will charge. Breakdowns on the road, away from home, are a bitch though. I drove it to Alaska and back once - broke down twice. I lucked out and found mechanics each time who mostly did right. Broke down in Florida once, last summer in the heat. 100 to 105 degrees. Found shade and plugin for the AC and finally a decent diesel mechanic. Still, that was stressful and expensive. I have big dogs with me so that makes it more complicated. They will overheat before I will. All those videos on YouTube showing bus conversions focus on the interior mods. None talk about the mechanical costs, which I found to be much more significant that all else, even wiring and AC which I did myself. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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The thought of it is good reason to chuckle. The odds are, I will like JTEX in person. I can't say about the reciprocal. I can, maybe, respect him for what he is, despite what he says or believes. The prime factor I use in judging a person, in person, is if he has a habit of cutting me or others off in mid-sentence so it's difficult getting words in edgewise. That's the clue I look for first and take it from there, not necessarily downhill, of course. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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An interesting look at the history of the Alamo that apparently caused considerable "Angst" when published. FORGET THE ALAMO / The rise and fall of an American Myth Burrough Tomlinson Stanford | |||
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Reference the note above under the handle "Wheat Quacker". I am not a new member. From 2005 until a few months ago I was "Stubbleduck". Through some issue with registration on the website I have not, despite numerous notes, been able to reestablish my sign in as Stubbleduck and so finally just signed up as Wheat Quacker. | |||
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https://youtu.be/jeixUolB-CM?si=UgaVQ9qM1G9YelAV Parody Phone Call: Trump Discuss Texas Independence With Obama ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._of_an_American_Myth ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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