His discretion w 6 commutations.

At least, he has tried to do it w an Executive Order.

. . . gotta take care of your Brown Shirts. May need them again before long.

Well, so much for that thread about Biden pardoning some folks....

And, it's not the first time trump has issued questionable pardons....gotta cover your criminal accomplices' backs.

Supporters and political allies
Trump's use of the pardon power was marked by an unprecedented degree of favoritism.[12] He frequently granted executive clemency to his supporters or political allies,[17][18] or following personal appeals or campaigns in conservative media,[19] as in the cases of Rod Blagojevich, Michael Milken, Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, and Clint Lorance, as well as Bernard Kerik.[17] Trump granted clemency to five of his former campaign staff members and political advisers: Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Stephen K. Bannon, and George Papadopoulos.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ency_by_Donald_Trump

Cry me a river boys. Missed your complaints about these pardons.

Would someone please alert me when we're approaching the bottom of the Rabbit Hole.

My bad. I thought we were there on 1/6/21.

Trump said he was going to, and won.
I dont have to like it, but he admitted he would.
Biden said he would not.... and did.

Damn him for this.
Damn Don Trump for pardoning and of the 1/6 criminals.

This is an inexcusable blow to our nation and our system.

When the Islamists or the liberals, or the communists or some other radical attack the government and get off with a wink and a nod because their guys are in power, I'm gonna race to be the first to say it's Trump's and all who supported hims doing.

It is outrageous we smile and laugh while sinking this low this fast.

Enrique Tarrio, given 22 years for Seditious Conspiracy, they proved in Court he intended to overthrow the government in concert with others and acted toward that end.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Trump said he was going to, and won.
I dont have to like it, but he admitted he would.
Biden said he would not.... and did.

That's a very good point.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Trump said he was going to, and won.
I dont have to like it, but he admitted he would.
Biden said he would not.... and did.

That's a very good point.

How so? How is that a good point?

Is the point that millions of Americans voted for Trump inspite of him saying he would? I agree that is.

I've said it several times before; it not that people like Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are in office, it's that they have the constituents to put them there. There are actually enough of my fellow Americans that identify as Islamic Terrorists to elect Hamas to federal office.

But the same token, there are enough of my fellow Americans to successfully support Trump in his efforts to pardon the convicted Seditionist LHeym mentioned above.

Mind blowing.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Trump said he was going to, and won.
I dont have to like it, but he admitted he would.
Biden said he would not.... and did.

That's a very good point.

+1

Good for him

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Trump said he was going to, and won.
I dont have to like it, but he admitted he would.
Biden said he would not.... and did.

That's a very good point.

How so? How is that a good point?

Is the point that millions of Americans voted for Trump inspite of him saying he would? I agree that is.

I've said it several times before; it not that people like Ilan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are in office, it's that they have the constituents to put them there. There are actually enough of my fellow Americans that identify as Islamic Terrorists to elect Hamas to federal office.

But the same token, there are enough of my fellow Americans to successfully support Trump in his efforts to pardon the convicted Seditionist LHeym mentioned above.

Mind blowing.

Pretty much. People knew they were getting it. where as pretty much everything Biden has said on the issue has been a lie.

Don't get me wrong, I think the whole presidential pardon thing is crazy and bound for misuse and anti democratic, as well as an interference on justice.

Most of the people charged for January 6 were not violent. Some were and those shouldn't get a pardon in my opinion, but the rest of them were just political prosecutions and should be.

Biden's pardons of his criminal family are totally different and totally shameful.

So, they were just mostly peaceful terrorists- I mean peaceful tourists- that were visiting the Capital. With a makeshift gallows and rope, bear spray, clubs, etc…. I wonder if buffalo bill the shaman got a pardon…

Including the ones who beat on officers of the law, doing their jobs. Let us consider the implications.
Civil disobedience is one thing, but there are boundaries and red lines for a reason.

It was a rigged election in 2020 and these folks were trying to sort it out. I am glad he pardoned them.

Implications? You think the MAGAts give a rats ass about implications? They’re just thrilled their brown shirt brethren are free to join the ranks again.

We just witnessed j0bama commit pardon atrocities to the highest order and you guys are worried about a few folks who got mad that the Democrats exploited a crisis to rig an election.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lavaca:
Most of the people charged for January 6 were not violent. Some were and those shouldn't get a pardon in my opinion, but the rest of them were just political prosecutions and should be.[QUOTE]

Bullshit. You lie just like trump.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
We just witnessed j0bama commit pardon atrocities to the highest order and you guys are worried about a few folks who got mad that the Democrats exploited a crisis to rig an election.

Your revisionist history is astounding. If the election was rigged why was no evidence ever offered in court in over 60 cases?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Well, so much for that thread about Biden pardoning some folks....

What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander first comes to mind especially when Sleepy Joe splashed pre-emptive pardons to the entire Biden clan, not "just some folks".

Felon followers of a felon president.

Are Trump voters feeling embarrassed yet?

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Well, so much for that thread about Biden pardoning some folks....

What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander first comes to mind especially when Sleepy Joe splashed pre-emptive pardons to the entire Biden clan, not "just some folks".

Nope. Uh uh. No way.

As responsible adults we reject the notions of "they did it too!", "they did it first!", "if they get to so should I!" and, " It's not fair!" and other infantile excuses.

"Good for the goose is good for the gander" is a tailspin into the gutter and destruction.

Trump has only one game plan. He's committed to authoritarianism. This is just the beginning. In the next days and weeks, he and Team will see how much they can get away with, flood the zone, overwhelm the system.

Here's a video that shows what I'm sick about. These well-meaning types who say IF Trump can pivot things will work out okay just don't get it. The IF part starts at about 7:00. Most of the first part is about Biden's farewell speech which was like pissing into the wind.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...f7491edffac621&ei=17

Can Trump be seen as a unifying force in second term? Presidential historian weighs in

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Trump is unifying alright. He unifies radicals.

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Maddow says it better:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-m...-a-type-229822021927

Authoritarianism 101: Maddow explains how Trump's embrace of violence follows a type

Rachel Maddow explains that Donald Trump's embrace of political violence on his behalf, particularly after pardoning the January 6 rioters, is a familiar practice among autocrats and has happened in every country that has had to contend with a leader like Trump.
Jan. 21, 2025

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
We just witnessed j0bama commit pardon atrocities to the highest order and you guys are worried about a few folks who got mad that the Democrats exploited a crisis to rig an election.

Your revisionist history is astounding. If the election was rigged why was no evidence ever offered in court in over 60 cases?

Time frame.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Felon followers of a felon president.

Are Trump voters feeling embarrassed yet?

No

They all did time and learned lesson and it’s time for them to go home
Again, good for him and sky is not falling

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
They all did time and learned lesson and it’s time for them to go home
Again, good for him and sky is not falling

Exactly.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
They all did time and learned lesson and it’s time for them to go home
Again, good for him and sky is not falling

Exactly.

They attacked our capital, tried to stop the certification of an election and deserve to rot in jail.

Trump is a POS, just like those he pardoned. Total scum....

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
They all did time and learned lesson and it’s time for them to go home
Again, good for him and sky is not falling

Right, they learned their lesson, the "QAnon Shaman" posted on "X" that the first thing he's gonna do is "buy a bunch of guns".

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
We just witnessed j0bama commit pardon atrocities to the highest order and you guys are worried about a few folks who got mad that the Democrats exploited a crisis to rig an election.

Your revisionist history is astounding. If the election was rigged why was no evidence ever offered in court in over 60 cases?

Time frame.

Time frame? Trump's people filed the lawsuits, were they so inept they filed suit without having evidence for their claims?

I guess that's why so many were disbarred...

He even pardoned the seditious conspirators and those who assaulted the police.

Trying to rewrite the Constitution concerning citizenship w an executive order against S.Ct. precedent from 1868.

These executive orders are why I would not vote for him and those who have should be ashamed.

Look at what really fuels Trump, pre wrestling, UFC (same promotion), reality tv, tech billionaires that even Dr. Easter see as heroes, streaming events.

The issues Trump picks. “ I am going to take back the Panama Canal.” This is not a coincidence as President Carter is lying in state. The breaking of protocol and respect concerning lowering the flags.

He is truly a disgrace.

Dr. Easter Findlay tells the truth that he is an election denier. The election was not rigged, and this is worse than what President Biden pardoned.

I’m happily ashamed voting for him and as for the 14th, somebody should have done something about it long time ago

One cannot correct a donkey.

How does it feel having voted for a man who thinks he can amend the Constitution or write out S. CT., precedent w an executive order?

Obviously, you do not care that those who attacked our Constitution are now pardoned.

I’m simply my own man and all the name calling just slides of my back so nice try
At times, strong leader is what’s needed
Previous one was weak link

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weak link

Speaking of weak links, I think you are one.

Does that surprise you? Of course you think you are strong and are right-minded.

Do you ever consider that your strong-man has manipulated you specifically because of your worldview, and he uses you, just like he has all the rogue militias ready at his command.

Think about it like this:

It's very clear that Trump fancies himself as a strong man, and portrays it. He's got the celebrity mentality, and acts it out. His best game is bully, rage, revenge and fear. There's nothing intellectual with Trump. It's all rote gut, the instinct of a monster.

Is that the "strong leader" you respect?

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
I’m simply my own man and all the name calling just slides of my back so nice try
At times, strong leader is what’s needed
Previous one was weak link

Sad and pathetic, commonly known as a sheep.

My Constitution and my intellectual honesty are worth more than a man or a party.

Trump is within his vested constitutional power to pardon these people.

If we care about honesty, VP JD Vance was adamant that those who assualt police should not be pardoned. Apparently, VP Vance did not run that one by his boss.

Again, I will be the first to say, “ President Trump in his sole discretion can pardon these people.”

What he can’t do is change the Constitution nor Supreme Court precedent on the matter by an Executive Order. If President Obama had so blatantly and arrogantly tried that, say the 2nd Amendment, M. Shy and his kind (which includes me) would shout such dm act down.

That is the intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy of the far Right.

Ah yes, a strong leader. They called other folks who sought “total control of the government.” That is the language used while Trump signed executive orders. I cannot call the use of Executive Orders to circumvent the Constitution anything else than an abuse of power and power grab.

The Constitution does not permit any president to change or modify S. Ct. precedent that goes back to 1868 that interprets the Constitution as amended by the 14th Amendment.

That is an abuse of power. When a president assumes power not delegated to the office by the Constitution, he is acting tyrannical. The fact one may agree with the policy is immaterial and irrelevant. Luckily, the Supreme Courr is still here to squash this attempt.