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Denmark is a founding member of NATO. You truly piss on your allies. There is no recovery from this. Enemy is no longer only in the east, but in the west as well.


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Denmark is a founding member of NATO. You truly piss on your allies. There is no recovery from this. Enemy is no longer only in the east, but in the west as well.


the world chess has been changed for the good ... the western world will have to find a new routw without usa ...
 
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The lunatics are in charge of the asylum for sure.

The Danes have been one of the US's most supportive military partners. pretty much given unrestricted access and help as it was.
 
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JD only got the job because of Trump.

A most undesirable vermin of the human race!

He is taking orders from NitanHitler and Putin! rotflmo

America!

Land of the cowardly crooks.

Home of the morally bankrupt ! jumping


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The lunatics are in charge of the asylum for sure.

The Danes have been one of the US's most supportive military partners. pretty much given unrestricted access and help as it was.


Exactly. It’s profoundly sad that so much damage is being done to previously sound and close relationships.
 
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IMO, it's difficult to get an objective handle on this. There's several moving parts.

One doesn't want to reach radical conclusions quickly. Wink

As far as I know this source is respectable:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/...-allies-and-partners

How Trump Sees Allies and Partners

Note Denmark on the graph.

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https://simple.wikipedia.org/w...nternational_Studies

Center for Strategic and International Studies

The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) is a think tank in Washington, D.C., in the United States.[5] CSIS was created as the "Center for Strategic and International Studies" of Georgetown University in 1962. The center does policy studies and strategic analyses of political, economic and security issues throughout the world. They specifically focus on issues about international relations, trade, technology, finance, energy and geostrategy.[6]

In the University of Pennsylvania's 2019 Global Go To Think Tanks Report, CSIS is ranked the number one think tank in the United States across all subjects, the "Top Defense and National Security Think Tank" in the world, and the 4th best think tank in the world overall.[7][8] CSIS has been named the number one think tank for Defense and National Security every years since 2013, and has been named the 'Center of Excellence'.[8]

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Search CSIS on keyword "Greenland":

https://www.csis.org/search?keyword=greenland


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you guys realize that Denmark has openly admitted that it has neglected the defense of Greenland for decades (despite being asked to do a better job) and that it acknowledges how vital Greenland is to US defense right? THEY admit they haven't been a good ally..

but you're upset when Vance repeats what Denmark has already said?

They quite literally have offered to have the US military increase its presence in Greenland to try to resolve their own neglect..


https://www.marinelink.com/new...ing-greenland-520979

https://www.voanews.com/a/denm...-years-/7931744.html

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europ...nland-report/3447865

there are plenty of things to righteously get upset with the current administration over...

feigning outrage over something that both parties actually agree on is kinda ridiculous though..
 
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Only country which openly suggested invading Greenland is America!

The FUCKWIT MAGA ARSEHOLE said it!

Can you imagine, a draft dodging coward threatening America’s allies! rotflmo


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What Trump said might be one of those righteous things to get upset about as stated above Saeed.

Acting like you're outraged because JD Vance has repeated what Denmark has already said (the subject of the OP and many of the follow on posts).. is simply dumb..

Vance agrees with Denmark..

so Denmark (and AR members) should be angry about what Vance said?
 
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you guys realize that Denmark has openly admitted that it has neglected the defense of Greenland for decades (despite being asked to do a better job) and that it acknowledges how vital Greenland is to US defense right? THEY admit they haven't been a good ally..

but you're upset when Vance repeats what Denmark has already said?

They quite literally have offered to have the US military increase its presence in Greenland to try to resolve their own neglect..


https://www.marinelink.com/new...ing-greenland-520979

https://www.voanews.com/a/denm...-years-/7931744.html

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europ...nland-report/3447865

there are plenty of things to righteously get upset with the current administration over...

feigning outrage over something that both parties actually agree on is kinda ridiculous though..


They have been a good enough ally to allow the US to base its missile early warning system on their territory, thereby making it a target. The early warning system doesn’t benefit Denmark, it’s for the benefit of the US.
 
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As far as I know the main defense Greenland needs against imminent attack is due to Trump's attack.

Meanwhile there is another attack which Trump shows capitulation and actual support for the attacker.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/...raine-and-free-world

Europe’s Trillion Dollar Opportunity to Save Ukraine—and the Free World

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Europe Unable, America Unwilling
Since the war began, peace through strength in Ukraine has been pursued through a combination of Western-funded equipment and Ukrainian grit. As Trump put it last week: “They’re very brave,” but “without the United States and its money and its military equipment, this war would have been over in a very short period of time.”

But this formula is now in doubt because Ukraine’s main backers are reaching the political and economic limits of what they can provide. Europe, Ukraine’s largest backer to date, has plenty of political will but is hitting the limit of its fiscal and industrial capacity. Meanwhile, the United States has the opposite problem: It can afford and produce much more, but the political desire to do so has disappeared under the new administration. (Compare the administration’s stance on Ukraine to the $4 billion in military assistance and $12 billion in military sales expedited to Israel since January, for example.)

Europe and the United States have been Ukraine’s largest backers since 2022. Europe has been the most generous, providing $138 billion (and committing another $120 billion), compared to $119 billion (and $4 billion) from the United States. When measured proportionately, the United States lags much further behind—19 European nations have given more to Ukraine than the U.S. total of 0.53 percent of GDP since 2022, with some European nations even exceeding 2 percent.

These are large sums of money, but they are not enough to meet Ukraine’s needs. Russian forces continue to grind out small victories on the battlefield and attack civilian areas with hundreds of cost-effective drone and missile strikes. Zelensky has already warned that Ukraine is now running out of Patriot air defense missiles. Moreover, as the authors of a Kiel Institute report point out, for most nations this level of funding is “like a minor political ‘pet project’ rather than a major fiscal effort,” comparable to domestic subsidies for diesel fuel and company cars.

Yet even at these relatively low and inadequate levels, both Europe and the United States have significant constraints on their ability to maintain aid to Ukraine.

Europe has a plentiful supply of political goodwill toward Ukraine but lacks the fiscal and industrial capacity to make good on it.

Although overall European defense spending has risen sharply since 2022, spending levels vary widely. Nations closer to Moscow spend much more than others. But some of the leaders in spending measured by percentage of GDP are laggards in absolute investment, due to the size of their economies. (For example, in 2024, Latvia’s 3.15 percent of GDP equated to just $1.4 billion, while Poland and Italy both spend just under $35 billion even though Poland spent 4 percent of its GDP compared to Italy’s 1.5 percent.) Neither does the GDP measure indicate the quality or nature of investment.

Meanwhile, the European Union is limited by its 2023 Stability and Growth Pact on borrowing large amounts to fund higher defense spending—like it did after Covid-19 through a recovery fund of $840 billion. EU member states have equivocated over removing borrowing limits on defense spending since the war began but have yet to pull the trigger.

Even if they do, increased spending might not solve the problem of Europe’s limited defense industrial capacity. Ukraine now depends on the defense industry in Europe and elsewhere for two-thirds of its military aid. But current capacity is either low or nonexistent in key areas such as guided weapons, tanks, and aircraft. “Europeans and the Ukrainians have nothing in their depots,” according to the CEO of Rheinmetall. Meanwhile, the Russian defense industry is now outproducing the whole of Europe (when measured by purchasing power parity). Hence the Kiel Institute’s assessment that the war has become “a battle of procurement and military production.”

The United States also has industrial capacity issues. However, Washington’s limits on providing support to Ukraine are primarily political.

A good shorthand for President Trump’s policies is to assume he will do the exact opposite of the Biden administration. This is true for Ukraine. While Biden committed to support Kyiv “for as long as it takes,” Trump campaigned on removing support for Ukraine. Where Biden aimed to force Russia to negotiate (or capitulate) by putting Ukraine in a position of strength, Trump aims to compel Ukraine to accept compromises for the sake of a deal and use the potential for Ukrainian weakness to incentivize Moscow. As he said when asked if the United States would keep providing Ukraine with weapons: “Maybe until we have a deal with Russia . . . We need to have a deal, otherwise it’s going to continue.”

This dramatic reversal in Washington’s policy leaves the burden of “peace through Ukrainian strength” resting on Europe’s shoulders. This may have been the whole point.

Washington’s shift in Ukraine policy was accompanied by a broader shift in its policy toward Europe. The last three weeks have cemented the new reality that transatlantic security is no longer Washington’s foreign policy priority.

This stance is not new—the United States has been pivoting to Asia since at least 2011. Neither does it mean Washington will abandon Europe. As U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth told NATO defense ministers on February 13: “We must make NATO great again . . . suggestions of abandonment otherwise continue to be disingenuous and we are—we are proud to be part of this alliance and stand by it.”

Even so, Europe must now assume responsibility for its own security to an extent it has not done since before 1941. This will take decisive action and sustained investment to strengthen Ukraine’s hand and defend the continent from Russian aggression.

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There's a lot more in the article


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Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

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you guys realize that Denmark has openly admitted that it has neglected the defense of Greenland for decades (despite being asked to do a better job) and that it acknowledges how vital Greenland is to US defense right? THEY admit they haven't been a good ally..

but you're upset when Vance repeats what Denmark has already said?

They quite literally have offered to have the US military increase its presence in Greenland to try to resolve their own neglect..


https://www.marinelink.com/new...ing-greenland-520979

https://www.voanews.com/a/denm...-years-/7931744.html

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europ...nland-report/3447865

there are plenty of things to righteously get upset with the current administration over...

feigning outrage over something that both parties actually agree on is kinda ridiculous though..


They have been a good enough ally to allow the US to base its missile early warning system on their territory, thereby making it a target. The early warning system doesn’t benefit Denmark, it’s for the benefit of the US.


No one has said they haven't done something...

what DENMARK has said is that they have neglected the defense of Greenland for decades, despite being asked to fix the problem, they chose not to.. and NOW they are interested in working toward a resolution..

DENMARK has acknowledged they have not honored their commitments specific to the defense of Greenland.


Doing something clearly isn't good enough... and both Denmark and Vance agree on that..
 
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DENMARK has acknowledged they have not honored their commitments specific to the defense of Greenland.

And that gives the US a free ticket to annex Greenland? The US seems hell bent on moving their status from ally to enemy.


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DENMARK has acknowledged they have not honored their commitments specific to the defense of Greenland.

And that gives the US a free ticket to annex Greenland? The US seems hell bent on moving their status from ally to enemy.


well they are trying to canada as well ... they are not anymore your ally do not fool yourself ... nato with usa is gone ...
 
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DENMARK has acknowledged they have not honored their commitments specific to the defense of Greenland.

And that gives the US a free ticket to annex Greenland? The US seems hell bent on moving their status from ally to enemy.


Where exactly did I say that?

Reading is fundamental..

Trump has said a lot of things worthy of concern..

Vance said nothing about annexing Greenland... (nor did I)..

Making issue out of Vance agreeing with Denmark, that Denmark has not been a good ally and not met its obligations, is a bit stupid however..

If you want to be pissed about what what was said.. be pissed at Denmark. they freely admit they have fallen short on their commitments "for decades"..


The other thing to ask yourself is...

Do you really think Trump or Vance care about Denmarks response?

Have you paid any attention to whats been going on for the last 3 months? Or any attention to what happened during the prior 4 years that Trump was in office?

Crying like children over the evil orange man does exactly nothing to change anything.. if anything it emboldens him.. he loses zero sleep at night over it.. and those deeply entrenched in the Trump camp are equally emboldened..

If you cant tell, Im not a particular fan of Trump..

I just recognize facts and truths when I see them..

the fact is DENMARK admits they have fallen short.. they admit they have been asked to fix the problem multiple times.. they admit they chose not to fix it... they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades.

now Vance is calling them on exactly what they have already admitted to...

but you want to be upset with Vance.. while at the same time not acknowledge Denmarks role in the problem..
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


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1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..
 
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Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...


So you think that gives us a green light to invade & conquer foreign lands? Putin like? Greenland has made it clear we are not welcome to do so nor entitled to.
 
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Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...


So you think that gives us a green light to invade & conquer foreign lands? Putin like? Greenland has made it clear we are not welcome to do so nor entitled to.


Once again, reading is fundamental.. as is reading comprehension I suppose..

Where exactly was that said?

What has been said over and over again is Denmark has openly admitted fault..

Vance has called them on the fault.. and has repeated what Denmark has already stated..

Getting pissed at Vance is simply stupid.. unless you are also going to be pissed at Denmark.. because Vance and Denmark are actually in agreement..
 
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Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...


So you think that gives us a green light to invade & conquer foreign lands? Putin like? Greenland has made it clear we are not welcome to do so nor entitled to.


Once again, reading is fundamental.. as is reading comprehension I suppose..

Where exactly was that said?

What has been said over and over again is Denmark has openly admitted fault..

Vance has called them on the fault.. and has repeated what Denmark has already stated..

Getting pissed at Vance is simply stupid.. unless you are also going to be pissed at Denmark.. because Vance and Denmark are actually in agreement..


the rethoric you are using is the same putin used for invading and the war in ukraine ...
 
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DENMARK has acknowledged they have not honored their commitments specific to the defense of Greenland.

And that gives the US a free ticket to annex Greenland? The US seems hell bent on moving their status from ally to enemy.


Where exactly did I say that?

Reading is fundamental..

Trump has said a lot of things worthy of concern..

Vance said nothing about annexing Greenland... (nor did I)..

Making issue out of Vance agreeing with Denmark, that Denmark has not been a good ally and not met its obligations, is a bit stupid however..

If you want to be pissed about what what was said.. be pissed at Denmark. they freely admit they have fallen short on their commitments "for decades"..


The other thing to ask yourself is...

Do you really think Trump or Vance care about Denmarks response?

Have you paid any attention to whats been going on for the last 3 months? Or any attention to what happened during the prior 4 years that Trump was in office?

Crying like children over the evil orange man does exactly nothing to change anything.. if anything it emboldens him.. he loses zero sleep at night over it.. and those deeply entrenched in the Trump camp are equally emboldened..

If you cant tell, Im not a particular fan of Trump..

I just recognize facts and truths when I see them..

the fact is DENMARK admits they have fallen short.. they admit they have been asked to fix the problem multiple times.. they admit they chose not to fix it... they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades.

now Vance is calling them on exactly what they have already admitted to...

but you want to be upset with Vance.. while at the same time not acknowledge Denmarks role in the problem..


it is funny the number of people not fan of trump explaining us what trump is ....and what he wants ...
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101...


The gist of it is what I mostly strive for. And I see that you are not the normal Rightist analysist. I like that.

I might agree with you, but that's too easy. Instead, I like the challenge of partial agreement and partial disagreement. Wink

I don't buy your defense of Vance, but that's not the point.

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Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.


What requirements? Denmark met the NATO 2% https://www.atlanticcouncil.or...invasion-of-ukraine/

So, that graph affirms your claim:

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Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...


You may like this video which explains Trump 101. And you may see why some of us get "emotional" as you say.

https://youtu.be/zXCw40BQFMQ?si=0R0FJf9f8H3e0aZp


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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Greenland’s prime minister slams ‘highly aggressive’ visit by US officials


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Degenerate 1:1
1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".

Degenerate 1:2
2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."

Degenerate 1:3
3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr.

“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain

"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus


 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..


I'd call that bullying. A good neighbor doesn't bully his neighbors, even if he has power to do so.

Trump also said in his book that he favored banning ARs and was pro-choice on abortion.
 
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Vance has called them on the fault.. and has repeated what Denmark has already stated..

Getting pissed at Vance is simply stupid.. unless you are also going to be pissed at Denmark.. because Vance and Denmark are actually in agreement..



You're overlooking the context of Vance's remarks: Trump's threat to invade and conquer Greenland.
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..


I'd call that bullying. A good neighbor doesn't bully his neighbors, even if he has power to do so.

Trump also said in his book that he favored banning ARs and was pro-choice on abortion.


the issue is you, and others, are blending two different arguments

No doubt Trump is bullying.. no one has said otherwise...

No doubt Trump has changed his position on ARs and Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life..

Neither of those things have anything to do with the OP.. which related to Vance calling out Denmark...

Vance repeated what Denmark has already admitted to on their own...

Therefore, what exactly is there to be upset about with Vances comments? Unless you were already upset about Denmark stating them..

Trump being an asshole is a completely different discussion/issue...

Hes an asshole... I don't think even his most ardent supporters would argue otherwise..
 
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I'l try again, since you missed it the first time.

Vance is part of an administration that has threatened to invade and conquer Greenland. When he says Denmark is not a good neighbor, it smacks of Putin's talk before he invaded Ukraine.

If you don't see why Denmark may perceive Vance's words as another threat, I can't help you.
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..


I'd call that bullying. A good neighbor doesn't bully his neighbors, even if he has power to do so.

Trump also said in his book that he favored banning ARs and was pro-choice on abortion.


the issue is you, and others, are blending two different arguments

No doubt Trump is bullying.. no one has said otherwise...

No doubt Trump has changed his position on ARs and Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life..

Neither of those things have anything to do with the OP.. which related to Vance calling out Denmark...

Vance repeated what Denmark has already admitted to on their own...

Therefore, what exactly is there to be upset about with Vances comments? Unless you were already upset about Denmark stating them..

Trump being an asshole is a completely different discussion/issue...

Hes an asshole... I don't think even his most ardent supporters would argue otherwise..


again another one telling us he is not a supporter but defends the positions of the supreme leader ...
 
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I'l try again, since you missed it the first time.

Vance is part of an administration that has threatened to invade and conquer Greenland. When he says Denmark is not a good neighbor, it smacks of Putin's talk before he invaded Ukraine.

If you don't see why Denmark may perceive Vance's words as another threat, I can't help you.


We're clearly talking past one another..

I see why Denmark doesn't like what Vance has said.. they are not in a good position... and certainly don't want any more focus on that poor position.. and no one cares for name calling (although the Europeans don't seem to care if they are the ones participating in name calling.. they just want to feign outrage when someone does it to them)...

I acknowledge that Vance is part of the Trump administration.. which has clearly made threats to Denmark... (nonsensical and ridiculous threats.. but threats nonetheless..)...

What I don't see is why a bunch of non Danes want to wince, moan, act like they are outraged, and scream like children over Vances comments.. when the fact is Vance has merely stated what Denmark has taken full ownership of already..

Are people are so desperate to be outraged and upset, that they'll cling to anything they can possibly put their hands on rather than focusing on the things that are actually important.. or bother to acknowledge that there are actually multiple parties at fault on a particular situation..

If the Trump administration is so blatantly evil and vile, crying about it does nothing to change it.. all that does is further motivate the MAGA loyalists and the administration itself..

The far better response is to acknowledge ALL facts.. and find solutions to solve the problems at hand.. rather than only acknowledging the things that support your argument or your position while conveniently ignoring facts that don't support your position..

Trump isn't changing.. nor is his administration... and if the D party continues to poll the way it has for the last 60 days, there wont be any changes at the mid terms..

So whats the solution? more crying, bitching, moaning, and complaining?

Even the historically most loyal of left leaning strategists and public figures (Carville, Mahr, et al) are very clear that continued bitching about how bad the orange man is, isn't helping.. its actually hurting the D party's future chances..

So Trump sounds like Putin... he is an asshole in general... So what if he makes irresponsible and ridiculous threats to make Canada the 51st state, Greenland the 52nd State, and makes Gaza a protected territory? How does bitching about it and refusing to acknowledge things like there are disputes related to all three of those issues, and that no one party is 100% innocent in how the relationship got to where it is actually fix anything?

Hes not changing.. he will continue to be a bombastic asshole and bully until the day he lays down for his final dirt nap...

So perhaps acknowledging that perhaps Denmark played a role in getting to where we are (Denmark has clearly acknowledged it themselves, but no one on AR can manage to acknowledge it?).. that Canada has played a role as well.. that the Israelis and the Palestinians have played a role.. and that no matter who is most at fault at whatever issue we want to discuss, EVERYONE has some shit on their shoes on all of these issues..

Bitching doesn't solve problems.. nor does name calling (whether its Trump calling names, the Europeans calling names, or AR members calling names).. being emotionally attached to a position is also a terrible negotiation tactic.. Trump knows this.. which is exactly why he pushes buttons and gets people emotional (again, he doesn't deny this at all.. he openly admits this.. hell, he's proud of it..)...
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..


I'd call that bullying. A good neighbor doesn't bully his neighbors, even if he has power to do so.

Trump also said in his book that he favored banning ARs and was pro-choice on abortion.


the issue is you, and others, are blending two different arguments

No doubt Trump is bullying.. no one has said otherwise...

No doubt Trump has changed his position on ARs and Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life..

Neither of those things have anything to do with the OP.. which related to Vance calling out Denmark...

Vance repeated what Denmark has already admitted to on their own...

Therefore, what exactly is there to be upset about with Vances comments? Unless you were already upset about Denmark stating them..

Trump being an asshole is a completely different discussion/issue...

Hes an asshole... I don't think even his most ardent supporters would argue otherwise..


again another one telling us he is not a supporter but defends the positions of the supreme leader ...


yet another one telling us how offended he is, that offers no solution for a problem, and refuses to admit that Canada plays a role in any relationship it has or doesn't have..

Keep thinking that Trudeau did your country lots of favors and didn't have anything to do with the current conflict between Canada and the US..

We'll see how well Canada fares in the future with that sort of belief system..
 
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Mdwest: I don't agree that the way you address outrageous words and behavior--especially by a leader--is to ignore them.

What you're doing now is blame-shifting from Trump to Denmark. It's not Denmark's fault Trump is threatening to invade Greenland. Again, you sound like Putin.

I find your argument against dissent from what Trump's doing even more unconvincing. The right to dissent is an old and honored US tradition--the heritage of a free people.

The German people failed to dissent when they should have; we know how that turned out.
 
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they admit this has been a problem that has been around for decades


So, it seems that it was a latent problem for decades, until Trump says he wants Greenland.

So, now it's a problem?


That would certainly appear to be the gist of it..

Trump told them in 2016 that they needed to meet their requirements.. they acknowledged they weren't doing what they had committed to do.. and continued to not do what they committed to do...

Trump tells them if they wont do it, he'll do it himself in 2025 (we'll take Greenland!).. and now, they not only say they are going to fix the problem, they are inviting the US to put additional military assets in Greenland to assist in securing the artic...

This is Trump 101.. anyone that has bothered to read the book he published in 1987 would know this is exactly how he negotiates... he tells you up front that he plays to fantasy (his words in his own book), and intentionally sets opponents on their heels.. he encourages them to get emotional.. because emotional people don't negotiate well... which then gives him the upper hand...

Instead of responding with emotion, outrage, hurt feelings, and other silliness, you'd think the world would have figured this out by now.. this is nothing new.. he's literally done it his entire career in both business and in politics.. and he wrote it all down on paper more than 35 years ago, telling everyone exactly what to expect when dealing with him..

So.. if people want better results and outcomes... stop responding with outrage and emotion.. you're giving him EXACTLY what he wants..

Instead, consider the FACTS.. then take action in a manner that best secures your national interests...

If Denmark really believed it was in its national interest to end a military or economic relationship with the US, it would be doing that rather than bitching about how "aggressive" the American delegation is in its negotiation..

In their bitching they are losing their position..

You'd think someone would have figured this out by now..


I'd call that bullying. A good neighbor doesn't bully his neighbors, even if he has power to do so.

Trump also said in his book that he favored banning ARs and was pro-choice on abortion.


the issue is you, and others, are blending two different arguments

No doubt Trump is bullying.. no one has said otherwise...

No doubt Trump has changed his position on ARs and Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life..

Neither of those things have anything to do with the OP.. which related to Vance calling out Denmark...

Vance repeated what Denmark has already admitted to on their own...

Therefore, what exactly is there to be upset about with Vances comments? Unless you were already upset about Denmark stating them..

Trump being an asshole is a completely different discussion/issue...

Hes an asshole... I don't think even his most ardent supporters would argue otherwise..


again another one telling us he is not a supporter but defends the positions of the supreme leader ...


yet another one telling us how offended he is, that offers no solution for a problem, and refuses to admit that Canada plays a role in any relationship it has or doesn't have..

Keep thinking that Trudeau did your country lots of favors and didn't have anything to do with the current conflict between Canada and the US..

We'll see how well Canada fares in the future with that sort of belief system..


i do not support trudeau nor defends his actions except on one subject: the answers made against the tariffs war and of course the attempt of annexion and even that i think he was weak and the answers were not strong enough. if you do agree on that annexion and the annexion of greenland good on you but do not be surprised if the people of greenland and canada do not welcome you ... your country started the conflict against us not the contrary ...
educate yourself:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/12...da-claims/index.html

the only issue we had was not paying enough for the mutual defense will it be norad and nato but it doesnt open the doors of attacking and or seizing countries at your will ...

now please come and get us and you will see ... do no sent your boys come by yourself ...
 
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An american delegation wil visit Greenland here on friday. Trump say they were invited, but no one knows who invited them. Officially they are not invited. They are trespasses as they have been asked to stay away.

Trump is a predator. He doesn`t like things given to him. He wants to predate. This american provocation is no longer about Denmark have added more dogs to a snowsled. Trumps wants Greenland by hostile takeover.

Its becomming more and more tempted to invite the chinese. They seems in generel to be more polite.


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An american delegation wil visit Greenland here on friday. Trump say they were invited, but no one knows who invited them. Officially they are not invited. They are trespasses as they have been asked to stay away.

Trump is a predator. He doesn`t like things given to him. He wants to predate. This american provocation is no longer about Denmark have added more dogs to a snowsled. Trumps wants Greenland by hostile takeover.

Its becomming more and more tempted to invite the chinese. They seems in generel to be more polite.


well i do hope the uninvited delegation will not be well welcome by the people of greenland ... start to raise the fork and the pitches ...
 
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An american delegation wil visit Greenland here on friday. Trump say they were invited, but no one knows who invited them. Officially they are not invited. They are trespasses as they have been asked to stay away.

Trump is a predator. He doesn`t like things given to him. He wants to predate. This american provocation is no longer about Denmark have added more dogs to a snowsled. Trumps wants Greenland by hostile takeover.

Its becomming more and more tempted to invite the chinese. They seems in generel to be more polite.


well i do hope the uninvited delegation will not be well welcome by the people of greenland ... start to raise the fork and the pitches ...


The White House have just announce the will only visit the army base in Thule only. JD.Vance will be there too.

There has been an defence agreement between Denmark and the US since 1951. Here Denmark gave the US free acess but with no nuclear warheads. Nevertheless the US did have NC warheads back in the 1950s up there.
In regards to this pickle that Denmark didn`t comply with Trump in 2019 was for the fact Trump didn`t know about the agreement made back in 1951. If there ever was a threat against the US or Greenland the military presence could step-up as the US wanted.


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Mdwest: I don't agree that the way you address outrageous words and behavior--especially by a leader--is to ignore them.

What you're doing now is blame-shifting from Trump to Denmark. It's not Denmark's fault Trump is threatening to invade Greenland. Again, you sound like Putin.

I find your argument against dissent from what Trump's doing even more unconvincing. The right to dissent is an old and honored US tradition--the heritage of a free people.

The German people failed to dissent when they should have; we know how that turned out.


no one is saying to ignore it... once again, I personally fully acknowledge it..

and no blame shifting is happening... what is happening is full recognition and acceptance of the facts.. which tell us very clearly that both parties involved have failed.. Im not choosing to recognize Trumps failures only.. or Denmarks.. they both have very clearly made numerous missteps that have gotten us here..

I also could care less about dissent.. dissent all you like.. you are absolutely correct.. its not just part of our heritage.. it is a freedom we enjoy that much of the rest of the world does not..

dissent alone however is valueless..

in this particular case, dissent alone may in fact be worse than valueless.. if you listen to Carvelle, Mahr (and others.. those are just the two names that come to mind immediately).. if you pay attention to the 2x liberal polls that came out last week showing the D party favorability at 27% and 29% among all voters and sub 49% among D voters specifically.. its pretty clear that whatever is being done is simply not working..

So maybe its time to think about something else..

lilike less bitching, finger pointing, name calling, etc.. and more action..

perhaps its time for D's (and other liberals, other world governments, or anyone else involved with having to deal with the Trump Administration) to start figuring out a new way to manage through..

Clearly the old way hasn't had the desired effect... He not only got elected again.. he's making far more headway at a far faster pace than the last time around..

2 months ago everyone was shouting "he's only got 2 years.. we'll stop him every step of the way.. and after the mid terms the D's will take back congress!"...

Well.. here we are 60 days later.. and no one that's actually involved in geopolitical matters at any measurable level believes that would be the case if the elections were held tomorrow..

The clock is ticking.. if the left actually wants change.. its probably time for a new game plan.. the old one has failed.. sticking to it will simply result in more failure..
 
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The clock is ticking.. if the left actually wants change.. its probably time for a new game plan.. the old one has failed.. sticking to it will simply result in more failure..


Of course the Left wants change.

Trump especially and Trumpism in general thrives off drama.

If there isn't conflict, they feel lost.

Fighting fire with fire is what they expect.

It would be a strategic mistake. The best is to speak the truth, and speak out, and let them fuck themselves.


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