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Those who keep advocating for the investment, multi billion dollar class to isn’t little or no class by using capital gains, need to read up on those two events. Classes permitted not to pay tax while trying to maintain the state on the backs of pheasants, I would have been in the 3rd Estate, caused mass rebellion. The crowd carried carried Gov. de Launay’s head on a pike. The National Assembly would action this violence. Meanwhile, Jean-Paul Marat would write: Citizens of France be very afraid. Given the chance the King and nobility won’t hesitate to massacre us all. The solution is simple. Executed them! Kill every last one of them! Cut off a thousand heads, and if that is not enough cut off a thousand more! Of course, that is exactly what happened. All because the King gave each class in the Estates General one vote each. Guaranteeing the 1st and 2nd Estates would remain free from the burden of maintaining the estate while the 90 percent 3rd class starved. | ||
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And this a wake up call fo Democratic Party as they are becoming kinda Russian and French elite The way I see it | |||
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Not to mention the fact that the “pheasants” had zero chance of maintaining the state. Any king worth his salt should have known that!  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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 The hazards of posting from a "smart" phone is the darn spell-checker. You know he meant peasant rather than pheasant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._the_Third_Estate%3F What Is the Third Estate? Qu'est-ce que le Tiers-État? (transl. What Is the Third Estate?) is an influential political pamphlet published in January 1789, shortly before the outbreak of the French Revolution, by the French writer and clergyman Abbé Emmanuel Joseph Sieyès (1748–1836).[1] Written during the Assembly of Notables between 6 November and 12 December 1788, it was sent to the printer by 27 December 1788 for publication in the early days of 1789.[2] There were eventually four editions of the text; initially published anonymously as a 127 page pamphlet, Sieyès revealed himself as the author after its third edition in May 1789.[3] The pamphlet was Sieyès' reply to finance minister Jacques Necker's invitation for writers to state how they thought the Estates-General should be organised.[citation needed] It was one of the most influential pamphlets of the early revolution: some 300,000 copies were printed, reaching around one million readers, establishing Sieyès as one of the principal leaders of the Estates-General upon its opening in May.[4] In the pamphlet, Sieyès argues that the third estate – the common people of France – constituted a complete nation within itself, providing in the end all the men necessary to man the army, to staff the churches, to administer the law, and every other operation of society.[5] It therefore had no need of the dead weight of the two other orders – the first and second estates of the, respectively, clergy and aristocracy – which Sieyès suggested abolishing.[5] Before all else Sieyès argued for the sovereignty of the nation, unfettered by ancient constitutional niceties, represented by its people and empowered to re-establish the political system.[6] He saw this actualised with genuine representatives in the Estates-General, equal representation to the other two orders taken together, and votes taken by heads and not by orders. Compared to the Federalist Papers and the Communist Manifesto in its influence, Sieyès pamphlet was profoundly influential in putting forth the ideas and goals of the French Revolution.[7][8] Summary The pamphlet begins with three rhetorical questions and Sieyès' responses. The questions and responses are: What is the Third Estate? Everything. What has it been hitherto in the political order? Nothing. What does it desire to be? To become something. Throughout the pamphlet, Sieyès argues that the first and second estates are simply unnecessary, and that the Third Estate is in truth France's only legitimate estate, representing as it does the entire population. Thus, he asserts, it should replace the other two estates entirely. ============================================= Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates_of_the_realm Estates of the realm (Intro) The estates of the realm, or three estates, were the broad orders of social hierarchy used in Christendom (Christian Europe) from the Middle Ages to early modern Europe. Different systems for dividing society members into estates developed and evolved over time.[1][2] The best known system is the French Ancien Régime (Old Regime), a three-estate system which was made up of a First Estate of clergy, a Second Estate of titled nobles, and a Third Estate of all other subjects (both peasants and bourgeoisie). ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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"Men at some time are masters of their fates: The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings." Here's an analysis of those words. It's not a mighty leap to see the applicability today. https://interestingliterature....ius-caesar-analysis/ A Short Analysis of Cassius’ ‘The Fault, Dear Brutus’ Speech from Julius Caesar By Dr Oliver Tearle (Loughborough University) (intro) In just over half a dozen lines, Cassius gives us two of the most famous lines from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar. ======================================================= Trump has a new idiom: I can fool some people all the time. I cannot fool all the people all the time. But I can fool the majority long enough to get what I want, for they are underlings. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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So having half the populace not paying any income tax, actually getting money from it, is better than the high end people not paying enough to reduce them to a lower level? I get that the Buffets of the world take advantage of the situation, but the bottom end should get its hands out of my pocket before I get too worried about the billionaires needing to pay a higher percentage. Flat tax. If we all had to shoulder the same rate, the public outcry for fiscal moderation would fix our elected hogs at their trough. As it is, the billionaires get carve outs and a majority of the populace has no skin in paying the bills. | |||
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Fucking tax systems! Been thinking about the absurdity and conflict of it all. Id hate to be really low income and struggling, and would 100% take any offered handout alongside helping myself as best I could. On the other end, Im currently facing a bumper year- expected to bring in 250,000 USD more than budgeted. Great! Except if I put that money in the bank for the shit year that will come where I don't make my budget, I will get taxed to high hell, loose a shitload of it, and that's fine except part of our tax is paid upfront based on last years performance. So if I Get a bad year next year it's compounded by an ultra high tax rate. Stupid system! A good year followed by bad means crippling tax, a bad year followed by good means low tax. Just dumb. So the result is I have to find ways to level out and reduce my tax. That means spending on improvements in the good years, and cutting expenditure in the bad. Which follows on too the whole community, going through cycles of hard times and good times, which is in itself really hard for businesses. | |||
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interesting to read about the french revolution ... never forget that on roughly 28 to 30 millions above 18 millions were working the land without owning it. thus the noble side was replaced by bourgeoisie and of course the clergy never paid taxes and up to that day ... all the 3rd state people were paying taxes as they had to pay for the salt, entering cities etc ... it was complex but if most of the riches and owners are not paying taxes it will come back to you for sure ... | |||
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la grande terreur did not any distinction on which estates you belong ... on that in front of the guillotine all were equals. | |||
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Just look at the Health Insurance CEO murder and public response. I see that to them as synonymous. A member of the 3rd Estate put a 2nd Estate Member’s head on a pike. | |||
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Umm no. That kid is one of the privileged class. His family is well off and he’s been doing the travel and work thing.
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Amen!!!!!! Simple as a democrat. No political favors, no picking and choosing! EVERY CITIZEN has skin in the game! No politicians on either side, will ever go for it. They wouldn't be able to use other peoples money to pay for favors..... . | |||
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I am on record saying I could support a flat tax on two conditions, value of stocks not exempt after X amount. We can debate the cut off mark. | |||
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There were privileged gold who made up the 3rd Estate. The 3rd Estate by the time of the crisis has educated and wealthy folks in the class. So, um yeah. | |||
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So what you are saying, is that the privalledged and wealthy, most likely Urban, 'Elite", Used those lower levels of their class, the working man, as a weapon against those who they thought had more than them. And then took their place. | |||
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Communism is a prime example of that They absolutely destroyed the system and anyone with any wealth and replaced them with themselves and became ruthless ruling class | |||
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Well, Mr. LHeym, the queue is on you to make your case. Good luck. It's the same with your "policy debate" idea. IMO, this is an example of how it degenerates. Can you salvage your point? ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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What I dm saying is in both Russia and France the burden of paying for the state fell predominantly and heavily on the class that did not rule nor were clergy. That included mass poor who were shackled to landed estates and a group of educated enlighten thinkers in law, medicine, religion meeting w a merchant class. These groups made up the “3rd Estate.” They were not clergy nor noble. They had no representation. In government. Both the Estates General and ultimately the Dima were worked to prevent this 3rd Estate from advancing political reform. In both instances, the failure to recognize these grievances and address them with government and tax structure that alleviated this inequality in both the mechanics a of governments and funding of the state lead to mass revolution. Sadly, radical elements gained control of this revolutionary force. The ability of these radical ls to gain control is equal to the social inequality that that the reforms tried to change and was met w blackball stonewalling. An example of this, is giving the Estates General members equal 1, 1, 1 vote to each estate. Therefore, the 3rd Estste representation at the Estates General represented over 90 percent of France. However, when the King dictated that each estate had one vote each, the 1st and 2nd Estate was free to block by 2-1 serious reform. That included tax reform. The Bolsheviks, even within the Communist, of Russia were a minority. However, when the majority become useless, and process does not deliver needed change. Radical minorities take the lead of history. The continual tax cuts that provide most of us no relief nor provide job growth while adding to our debt is not an answer. The continual practice of allowing multibillion dollar investment class to hide taxable wealth through stocks is an analogue to this history. I pay 48 percent to the state and federal government. I believe President Trump when he says he is smart and only legally pays 7 percent. The practice must be stopped in law. The 3rd Estate, working professionals, laborers, trades, service people are the source of funding the state both state and federal. It is time to address this. Congress members are permitted to inside trade, and prevent that wealth from being taxed as stock. The Joel Osteens of the world live a tax free existence with their wealth being listed of the Church. Or do not. Luckily, our elections act as a pressure safety valve. Anyone who tells you we can cut our way out of debt is lying to you. Anyone who tells you if we tax stocks grandma’s 410k is going to get taxed more is being disingenuous. Yes, I advocate for the major cooperations who enjoy unlimited right to speech through cash, and their controlling heads to pay like we all do to support our state. The isolation of the rulers from the financial burden of the state ended in mass violence and destruction of the state for something worse. | |||
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I read two articles today, and meant to save and post them. One was about Trump's plan to cut taxes on the oligarchs and the other was to make up for the trillions with cuts in Medicare and SS and social safety net. If anyone is interested, I'll search for the articles. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Adding new taxes doesn’t solve your problem here. Getting rid of cut outs and exemptions that only can be used by the elite would. Example- there should not be tax rebates for things like electric cars or windmills. Getting rid of the capital gains tax would discourage long term investment and encourage more of the bad business practices that the MBA management types have promulgated. I would agree that investment banks should not be considered capital gains. The down side of your counting value of portfolio as taxable is it will likely damage the overall stability of the market. One idea that I could support is changing tax brackets from income based to being tiered to your location in assets rank. Ie, top 80% is taxed at 5% Top 60%ile at 10% Top 40 at 15 And so on. Get rid of single/married, etc.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...7ef3ff1c7ba1def&ei=9 'Slashing welfare': GOP eyes chopping $5 trillion to pay for Trump priorities — like tax cuts ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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If there are jobs out there begging for people, then getting rid of welfare would force them to go to work. But yes, I realize that there really aren't that many jobs and further that most of the folks on welfare are not capable of producing even minimum wage labor.
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I always thought welfare and alike programs could be driven by market…enough said And all the bullshit giveaway programs including all mentioned on here should always and always have sunset clause Only constitution is written in stone, everything else should be and could be easily adjustable by and on yearly basis So easy right… | |||
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I think LHeym is describing a Trickle Up economy or scheme favoring the oligarchs. But lately the trickle is a flood. In Reagan Spin, it's Trickle Down. In reality - same thing. ************* Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis "Stupid is as stupid does". Forest Gump "Fascist is as fascist does". Magine Enigam D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Somewhat. I am describing a tax sved that gives massive tax breaks to large cooperations and shareholders thst do not create jobs while pls info the cost of funding the state on the non-major investment class. In addition, Congress members play by indulging in insider trading and that wealth held in stocks not bring taxed. The revolutions in event and result are cautionary tales of what happens when classes are insulated from funding the state at the expense of everyone else. Congress cannot pass a budget. We are stuck in a whirlpool of temp spending measure leveraged against their own deadlines. There is no easy. This is a singular and simple example of the government not working. I honestly do not know how we ever get to an actual budget because the deadline of short funding measures makes the process unworkable. Let us assume an amendment is passed that Congress must pass a 2 year or 4 year budget. How does the federal courts enforce that mandate when negotiations break down? I do not see a way to so enforce. Are the Courts going to write the budget when Congress fails to deliver a budget to the President by date certain as specified in the amendment? What if the president vetos it? The answer to this is the courts are not going to. Such an amendment is not actually enforceable, or workable. Technically, the Constitution is not set in stone. It is subject to amendments, at least and most. The Incorporation Doctrine that completely changed our notion of citizenship and minimized old federalism distinctions between state and federal government does not happen wo the 14th Amendment. | |||
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While it would be messy, if they don’t pass the budget, the country goes into default. The economy tanks. The sorry bas$&$ds then lose their sears as voters do vote for their economic perception of things. Going to a hard timeframe would be ugly, most likely. But it would fix the problem, hopefully before things get irredeemable. The economy when we had the sequestration limits did pretty well… but the congresscritters hated it… they were unable to give gravy at the public trough for votes. | |||
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Doc, We haven't had an approved budget since bushii/ obama incoming year opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Yes and I consider it derelict and a glaring example of the Federal government in failure. I just do not know what to do about it. The perfect answer is to firing, not elect any of them back, and elect folks who will pass a budget. That is as unlikely as figuring out a way to enforce an amendment. | |||
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Until we the people realize we have to stop accepting free money we are screwed | |||
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I have never been able to find a number of registered voters who non-employed. Then breaking down the number of unemployed, registered voters broken down among those who receive: private pension recipients, Social Security Retirement recipients and other public pensions recipients, SSD or SSI recipients, beside register voters who are just simply unemployed. I am also aware that my posting was used by national socialist to target internationalism, banking, investment finance which was linked into the Jewish problem. See Rudolf Jung. I do mkt like the identification of a problem so providing a solution. At least, a plan to work from to arrive at consensus. This is a second and glaring problem w our government. We have become accepting and rewarding of those who engage in politics of grievance, complaint wo forcing to provide an answer. Thus, the stone throwers get elected w no idea how to work to a consensus to address problems that need legislative answers. The border/migration is a specific example or funding the government to stay in this game. However, as the issue of identifying problems and providing no solutions applies to the budget. I fail to provide any frame work to relive the matter. The reasons being for what I have given above. That I will summarize that even if we pass an amendment requiring a budget for every year, 2 years, or 4 years to be on the President’s desk on April 15, I do not know how the courts would ever enforce that. I mean in theory you could pass an amendment that that places the responsibility for the budget in an agency separate from Congress, just for example the Federal Reserve, or a new 3rd Entity the State’s Comptroller Commission. The amendment would specify how this commission would be chosen, 1 selected by the President, 1 by the House, and 1 by the Senate. This Commission independent of Congress and the President w subpoena power obtains the numbers and sets the 2 year budget. This bypasses political institutions. Thst is not going to happen. | |||
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I was responding to it they passed a law mandating a budget. Of course, the law would hopefully have some sort of consequences in it. How about any member of a congress who does not pass a budget by a certain date immediately loses their seat in congress, and is inelegible to hold any federal office from that point forward and loses any congressional pensions. Special elections to replace the congress and senate will be held in 2 months from the date of budget being due, and the new congress will pass a budget within 2 months, with the above provisions again being held active. | |||
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I mean we are taking a boy a hypothetical amendment. That would work, but is not realistic of bring passed either. I would even support it. The issue we get is, is passing any budget even a bad one to satisfy this amendment a better thing? | |||
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The way I wrote it would require a constitutional amendment. I’m not sure that a budget mandate bill passed by congress would need to be a amendment. I think it would depend on the enforcement and penalties. As to any budget even a bad one, yes. That’s congress’s job and responsibility. If they do it badly, we the people are to vote them out It’s easier to point at a bad act than it is to hold someone to an omission that you can blame on others. Either the guy voted for the bad budget or he didn’t… | |||
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It would require an amendment. A bill mandating Congress pass a budget would require the courts to enforce. See my previous critique. Any bill they would strip a state of its senator or a district of its representative would require an amendment. If Congress could pass a budget mandate bill. They could pass a budget. | |||
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or, could just be a house/senate rules, approved by simple majority -- not as binding, but still valid -- we could make a 2a parallel, but i don't feel like typing all morning opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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