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Overdue.

https://thehill.com/latino/417...parks-dire-warnings/

Were just happy to send troops half a world away, but the catastrophe south of our border gets a blind eye.
 
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If the politicians really wanted to take care of the drug cartels, they could have done it many times before.

MONEY TALKS!

And politicians are the most corrupt versions of humanity! clap


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If the politicians really wanted to take care of the drug cartels, they could have done it many times before.

MONEY TALKS!

And politicians are the most corrupt versions of humanity! clap


True. The reasons to send billions to Somalia and ignore Mexico elude me.

For the good of all the Americas, Mexico should be solved.
 
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The brilliance we have come to expect from Republicans.

We're going to bomb and/or invade Mexico to shut down the fentanyl factories.

Going to be a very long campaign since the vast majority of fentanyl is made in China and Mexico really isn't much of a land route to China, but this crop of Republicans are as well-versed in geography as they are everything else.

Bombing South Dakota would do as much to stop the manufacture of fentanyl as bombing Mexico, and nearly all the fentanyl seized at the border is being carried by U.S. citizens, not illegal immigrants or drug mules.


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Well, I have another idea about drugs.

People take it by choice.

If you educate them, they might not.

We all know the negative effects, some choose to ignore them.

Some cities make it easier for drug addicts, instead of helping them.


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We will not be sending the troops to Mexico, simply not going to happen for a multitude of reason. Mexico does not want us there being the biggest reason.

Fodder for the base, have to keep them agitated about the "invasion".

It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.

Instead we are getting more beating of the nationalist drum.

Saeed, plenty of educated people use drugs. This is not an issue of lack of education. Substance abuse has occurred throughout history, it is part of the human condition though we are not all effected the same by it. Plenty of wealthy people have drug use issues but they have a much larger set of resources to offset the negativity associated with drug use. Opiates create much larger issues physically than many of the other substances people tend to abuse, fentanyl being one of the worst opiates.


The military is not going to solve the fentanyl crisis in America.
 
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Only stupid people use drugs!

Having being educated does not help.

Just look how stupid the voters are! jumping


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Not the case at all, plenty of very intelligent people make poor choices and have substance abuse issues.

Stupid would be believing a Monarchy has value as a form of governance clap
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


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No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration. A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction. An increase in the number of shilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.
 
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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration.

Does that not exist already?

A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction.

Agree.

An increase in the number of skilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

This exists now and has for a long time. It started under NAFTA and continues under USMCA today. It is extremely easy to get a work visa for skilled labor. We commonly hire Mexican and other South American veterinarians. I currently have a Mexican national veterinarian who we sponsored to get fully licensed in the USA who wants to be a partner. She is working on citizenship and expects it to be done now within the year.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.

Please elaborate on what is NOT working now…except for our current lack of enforcement of border security?


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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More fantasies about the war on drugs.

The idea that the US military could put a stop to the drug trade in Mexico is ridiculous.


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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration.

Does that not exist already?

A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction.

Agree.

An increase in the number of skilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

This exists now and has for a long time. It started under NAFTA and continues under USMCA today. It is extremely easy to get a work visa for skilled labor. We commonly hire Mexican and other South American veterinarians. I currently have a Mexican national veterinarian who we sponsored to get fully licensed in the USA who wants to be a partner. She is working on citizenship and expects it to be done now within the year.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.

Please elaborate on what is NOT working now…except for our current lack of enforcement of border security?


Did you notice that the new semi-conductor factory being built in NM was delayed for a year? The reasons sighted were a lack of semi-skilled and highly skilled workers.

The path to legal immigration is very long and arduous. Not viable for the vast majority of those wanting to come here.

We do need a secure border, and a system that allows for robust legal immigration. We have neither and I believe the two are related.
 
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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


Total bullshit. I'm sure waiting a few generations seems workable to most folks living in poverty.

Captain clueless is on the job again.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration.

Does that not exist already?

A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction.

Agree.

An increase in the number of skilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

This exists now and has for a long time. It started under NAFTA and continues under USMCA today. It is extremely easy to get a work visa for skilled labor. We commonly hire Mexican and other South American veterinarians. I currently have a Mexican national veterinarian who we sponsored to get fully licensed in the USA who wants to be a partner. She is working on citizenship and expects it to be done now within the year.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.

Please elaborate on what is NOT working now…except for our current lack of enforcement of border security?


Did you notice that the new semi-conductor factory being built in NM was delayed for a year? The reasons sighted were a lack of semi-skilled and highly skilled workers.

And I am telling you that if they existed in Mexico, under USMCA, it would be fairly easy to get work Visas for them.

The path to legal immigration is very long and arduous. Not viable for the vast majority of those wanting to come here.

So, in your opinion it should be as easy as just wanting to? And I know many who have completed it…sponsored a couple. Completely doable. Yes, it requires effort. Don’t most things worth while?

We do need a secure border, and a system that allows for robust (Elaborate on robust and the need for it.) legal immigration. We have neither and I believe the two are related.


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A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


Total bullshit. I'm sure waiting a few generations seems workable to most folks living in poverty.

Captain clueless is on the job again.


You are the one clueless. I do business in Mexico and on the border.

Yep, it would not happen overnight but the longterm KEY to helping Mexico is ridding them of the cartels.

That country is ripe to thrive! Mexico is a nice place…sans the cartels. Most Mexican people would actually prefer to live in Mexico. They are very nationalistic. They need help with the burden of the drug cartels.


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J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.
 
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Originally posted by ledvm:
The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


Total bullshit. I'm sure waiting a few generations seems workable to most folks living in poverty.

Captain clueless is on the job again.


You are the one clueless. I do business in Mexico and on the border.

Yep, it would not happen overnight but the longterm KEY to helping Mexico is ridding them of the cartels.

That country is ripe to thrive! Mexico is a nice place…sans the cartels. Most Mexican people would actually prefer to live in Mexico. They are very nationalistic. They need help with the burden of the drug cartels.


The drug cartel only success is because of you lot!

Stop using and the cartel will go bankrupt! clap


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Originally posted by ledvm:
The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


Total bullshit. I'm sure waiting a few generations seems workable to most folks living in poverty.

Captain clueless is on the job again.


You are the one clueless. I do business in Mexico and on the border.

Yep, it would not happen overnight but the longterm KEY to helping Mexico is ridding them of the cartels.

That country is ripe to thrive! Mexico is a nice place…sans the cartels. Most Mexican people would actually prefer to live in Mexico. They are very nationalistic. They need help with the burden of the drug cartels.


Maybe you missed the recent cartel wars? The huge number of innocent Mexican citizens that died?

The Government in Mexico has come out and stated that they do not have the appetite for more violence related to confronting the cartels. You might have a different idea but without the Mexican Government onboard, the cartels will stay right where they are, in power.

You are clueless if you think somebody struggling in poverty is going to wait for the cartels to lose power and for Mexico to become thriving. Totally clueless.....
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration.

Does that not exist already?

A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction.

Agree.

An increase in the number of skilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

This exists now and has for a long time. It started under NAFTA and continues under USMCA today. It is extremely easy to get a work visa for skilled labor. We commonly hire Mexican and other South American veterinarians. I currently have a Mexican national veterinarian who we sponsored to get fully licensed in the USA who wants to be a partner. She is working on citizenship and expects it to be done now within the year.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.

Please elaborate on what is NOT working now…except for our current lack of enforcement of border security?


Did you notice that the new semi-conductor factory being built in NM was delayed for a year? The reasons sighted were a lack of semi-skilled and highly skilled workers.

And I am telling you that if they existed in Mexico, under USMCA, it would be fairly easy to get work Visas for them.

The path to legal immigration is very long and arduous. Not viable for the vast majority of those wanting to come here.

So, in your opinion it should be as easy as just wanting to? And I know many who have completed it…sponsored a couple. Completely doable. Yes, it requires effort. Don’t most things worth while?

We do need a secure border, and a system that allows for robust (Elaborate on robust and the need for it.) legal immigration. We have neither and I believe the two are related.


If we need skilled workers, why should they have to come from Mexico? Plenty of other sources of educated workers, why not allow educated and skilled Indians(among others) Immigrate easier?

It should be easier than it is, not as easy as just wanting to come here, but far less complex, time consuming and costly. The system needs to be reformed.

We clearly have a need for immigration and for it to be robust. See the above comments on the delay in building the semiconductor factory as well as AG, many other fields have needs as well.

Isolationism and nationalism is not the answer to our porus border nor our labor needs.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Certainly, it would start with a viable path to legal immigration.

Does that not exist already?

A reasonable number of temporary worker visas for seasonal workers(ag sector among others) would be a huge step in the right direction.

Agree.

An increase in the number of skilled technical workers to fill much needed openings.

This exists now and has for a long time. It started under NAFTA and continues under USMCA today. It is extremely easy to get a work visa for skilled labor. We commonly hire Mexican and other South American veterinarians. I currently have a Mexican national veterinarian who we sponsored to get fully licensed in the USA who wants to be a partner. She is working on citizenship and expects it to be done now within the year.

You know, a functional immigration system that actually works as it was intended to do.

Please elaborate on what is NOT working now…except for our current lack of enforcement of border security?


Did you notice that the new semi-conductor factory being built in NM was delayed for a year? The reasons sighted were a lack of semi-skilled and highly skilled workers.

The path to legal immigration is very long and arduous. Not viable for the vast majority of those wanting to come here.

We do need a secure border, and a system that allows for robust legal immigration. We have neither and I believe the two are related.


That's New Mexico for you, should have been built further east
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


I have listed 12 points of reform before multiple times.
 
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I know many that have come here from other countries legally. It cost them 7-10 grand each for a lawyer. It sounds like many pay that much to the cartels.
I havnt heard numbers recently, but most of the illegals now are not Mexican are they? They just come through that way because it is so easy.
 
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I havnt heard numbers recently, but most of the illegals now are not Mexican are they? They just come through that way because it is so easy.


Correct.

Depending on the source, illegal foreign nationals from between 120 and 140 countries have been encountered on the Southern border.

A large part of the problem usc&bp has faced in temporarily housing this newest hoarde, is that the government's facilities were originally designed to hold primarily migrant Mexican men.


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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Immigration reform = Open Borders

Just like a "Woman's health care" = Abortion at will, regardless.

Just like "common sense gun control" = making legal stuff illegal and making law abiding Americans criminals.


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But what about the cartels' 2nd Amendment rights?

Their guns come from straw buyers in the States, sure would be a lot of sad gun dealers if they were shut down.


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But what about the cartels' 2nd Amendment rights?

Their guns come from straw buyers in the States, sure would be a lot of sad gun dealers if they were shut down.


Yep, agree. Straw buys like the Obama Administration. Remember operation Fast and Furious?


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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Immigration reform = Open Borders

Just like a "Woman's health care" = Abortion at will, regardless.

Just like "common sense gun control" = making legal stuff illegal and making law abiding Americans criminals.


Completely false, typical right wing propaganda.

I have stated repeatedly that we need secure borders.

Just like most folks, me included are fine with restrictions after viability.

If gun people were to involve themselves in the gun control conversation we could possibly add some common sense to the regulations.

Your extreme positions make any sort of common sense solutions not possible.
 
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It would be nice if the GOP actually did something to address the border situation, immigration reform would be a good starting point for them.


I hear this commonly.

Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?


Immigration reform = Open Borders

Just like a "Woman's health care" = Abortion at will, regardless.

Just like "common sense gun control" = making legal stuff illegal and making law abiding Americans criminals.


Completely false, typical right wing propaganda.

I have stated repeatedly that we need secure borders.

Just like most folks, me included are fine with restrictions after viability.

If gun people were to involve themselves in the gun control conversation we could possibly add some common sense to the regulations.

Your extreme positions make any sort of common sense solutions not possible.


The discussion stops at "My extreme positions"

There is nothing extreme about a 12-14 week abortion ban

There is nothing extreme about an effective border wall

There is nothing extreme about defending our gun rights, as they are. The folks advocating AR type rifle bans are simply incrementally disarming us. If AR's were outlawed, here's the path to what's next.

Some nut-job climbs up on a building with a common deer rifle, like a 700 with a 4x10 scope chambered in 30-06. The left will then cry out "Americans don't need sniper rifles, chambered in military cartridges."

Thats how we incrementally wind up with sharps, single shot carbines.


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The GOP wants far, far more than a 12-14 week abortion ban. After crying this is a States Rights issue, now they want a nation wide ban, to remove the abortion pill and more. Your team, the GOP has taken an extreme position. The vast majority of voters feel this way. See the recent ballot initiative in Ohio.

We need a secure border on that we can agree. I would say a wall has proven to be failure.

I have not advocated banning AR's, I do think more restrictions and more thorough background checks on them is needed.

I'm a single shot rifle guy myself, not much use for repeaters beyond bolt guns which do not do much for me either.

Something special about only having one shot to get the job done, then I like muzzleloaders as well.

The change in US gun culture in the last 20 years has not been positive. I see nothing good about the militarization of sporting arms. Others are free to disagree.
 
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The GOP wants far, far more than a 12-14 week abortion ban. After crying this is a States Rights issue, now they want a nation wide ban, to remove the abortion pill and more. Your team, the GOP has taken an extreme position. The vast majority of voters feel this way. See the recent ballot initiative in Ohio.

We need a secure border on that we can agree. I would say a wall has proven to be failure.

I have not advocated banning AR's, I do think more restrictions and more thorough background checks on them is needed.

I'm a single shot rifle guy myself, not much use for repeaters beyond bolt guns which do not do much for me either.

Something special about only having one shot to get the job done, then I like muzzleloaders as well.

The change in US gun culture in the last 20 years has not been positive. I see nothing good about the militarization of sporting arms. Others are free to disagree.


Unlike the nutty leftist in here, I can admit when I think "my side" is wrong. On the outright abortion ban, I think its political suicide. It's my belief that America could come to agreement on 12-14 weeks or even what Pence advocated for in the debate, "when a fetus feels pain" who could argue that?

Trumps border wall was getting desired results. If you aren't willing to admit he had a much better handle on the border than what we have now, there's no further discussion on immigration needed.

I'm sure you've seen the photo's of the wall with sections welded open? They Democrats are using the excuse that it's for migrating Antelope.

The problems with most of these mass shootings is mental health and the advocacy of prescription psychotropic medication.

"Most" mass shooters are/were on the radar of officials, LEO or even the FBI. More laws aren't the answer.


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Originally posted by skb:
The GOP wants far, far more than a 12-14 week abortion ban. After crying this is a States Rights issue, now they want a nation wide ban, to remove the abortion pill and more. Your team, the GOP has taken an extreme position. The vast majority of voters feel this way. See the recent ballot initiative in Ohio.

We need a secure border on that we can agree. I would say a wall has proven to be failure.

I have not advocated banning AR's, I do think more restrictions and more thorough background checks on them is needed.

I'm a single shot rifle guy myself, not much use for repeaters beyond bolt guns which do not do much for me either.

Something special about only having one shot to get the job done, then I like muzzleloaders as well.

The change in US gun culture in the last 20 years has not been positive. I see nothing good about the militarization of sporting arms. Others are free to disagree.


Unlike the nutty leftist in here, I can admit when I think "my side" is wrong. On the outright abortion ban, I think its political suicide. It's my belief that America could come to agreement on 12-14 weeks or even what Pence advocated for in the debate, "when a fetus feels pain" who could argue that?

Trumps border wall was getting desired results. If you aren't willing to admit he had a much better handle on the border than what we have now, there's no further discussion on immigration needed.

I'm sure you've seen the photo's of the wall with sections welded open? They Democrats are using the excuse that it's for migrating Antelope.

The problems with most of these mass shootings is mental health and the advocacy of prescription psychotropic medication.

"Most" mass shooters are/were on the radar of officials, LEO or even the FBI. More laws aren't the answer.


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The GOP is pushing the abortion debate contrary to public opinion. They want more and more restrictions or an outright ban anywhere and everywhere they can. And they just won't stop....

Of course the Democrats are using the breached portions of the wall for political advantage, it was a flawed plan from the beginning. The traffickers had circumvented the wall within hours of completion, as predicted.

Do tell about the Antelope, I'm not up on that.

The fact is, our gun control is as broken as our immigration policy. You point it out yourself that most of these guys are indeed on the radar, yet the Right fights every step of the way any attempt to stop these nutters from getting guns and killing people. I think a more thorough background check for semi-autos is the least we can do to try to implement "common sense" gun laws.

Tell me the answer because what we are doing sure as hell is not working.
 
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"Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?"

I haven't seen a single damn idea from anyone on the right other than fantasy bullshit that has no chance of making a difference. Like the wall, or DeSantis wanting to just shoot everybody or stupid fallacies about invading Mexico.
 
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The military COULD control the border…desperately needed. The drug cartels are very similar to the Taliban. Eliminating them would eliminate the want for Mexican citizens to come to the USA. Mexico sans cartels…is a nice place.


far more complicated than your simplistic analyzation. You leave out the biggest driving factor for illegal immigration, the ability to provide a higher standard of living for your family here in the States. People want to come here so they can live a better life, you can earn far more money here than in Mexico. That is the motivation for coming here, removing the cartels does nothing to change that.


Ahh ye of little knowledge of Mexico.

Remove the cartel control…all of the above can and will occur in Mexico. Mexico is a nice place. Traditional Mexican people are good solid God fearing, hard working conservatives.

It is the corruption bought and paid for by the cartels that keeps Mexico from advancing.


Total bullshit. I'm sure waiting a few generations seems workable to most folks living in poverty.

Captain clueless is on the job again.


You are the one clueless. I do business in Mexico and on the border.

Yep, it would not happen overnight but the longterm KEY to helping Mexico is ridding them of the cartels.

That country is ripe to thrive! Mexico is a nice place…sans the cartels. Most Mexican people would actually prefer to live in Mexico. They are very nationalistic. They need help with the burden of the drug cartels.


Maybe you missed the recent cartel wars? The huge number of innocent Mexican citizens that died?

The Government in Mexico has come out and stated that they do not have the appetite for more violence related to confronting the cartels. You might have a different idea but without the Mexican Government onboard, the cartels will stay right where they are, in power.

You are clueless if you think somebody struggling in poverty is going to wait for the cartels to lose power and for Mexico to become thriving. Totally clueless.....


The governments of Panama, Grenada, Nicaragua, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and others were, "onboard"?

And why is intervention in Mexico made out to be a full scale invasion or bombing?

I don't see the downside in wiping out the cartels, be it with soldiers, bombs, or the Treasury Department.

Nation wide, state wide and within our municipalities criminals no longer fear the law and the consequences of being a criminal. I think we should reverse that.
 
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"Yep, agree. Straw buys like the Obama Administration. Remember operation Fast and Furious?"

You're not gonna mention Operation Wide Receiver are you? Of course and you never will.
 
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The GOP is pushing the abortion debate contrary to public opinion. They want more and more restrictions or an outright ban anywhere and everywhere they can. And they just won't stop....

Of course the Democrats are using the breached portions of the wall for political advantage, it was a flawed plan from the beginning. The traffickers had circumvented the wall within hours of completion, as predicted.

Do tell about the Antelope, I'm not up on that.

The fact is, our gun control is as broken as our immigration policy. You point it out yourself that most of these guys are indeed on the radar, yet the Right fights every step of the way any attempt to stop these nutters from getting guns and killing people. I think a more thorough background check for semi-autos is the least we can do to try to implement "common sense" gun laws.

Tell me the answer because what we are doing sure as hell is not working.


Antelope excuse.

https://www.marca.com/en/lifes...68e3e806d8b458b.html


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"Can you elaborate on what “immigration reform” would look like?"

I haven't seen a single damn idea from anyone on the right other than fantasy bullshit that has no chance of making a difference. Like the wall, or DeSantis wanting to just shoot everybody or stupid fallacies about invading Mexico.


So, just remove, weld open and open gates to let 6 million in.

I'd post illegal immigration stats during Trumps years but why? You guys would just refute it.


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