What a bunch of stupid, selfish, IDIOTS!

Good thing I am not in charge.

I would cancel their passports!

Let them try find another home!

I'm not sure when the custom of putting one's hand over the heart began, but when I was in Boy Scouts we were taught to put our hands over our hearts when saying the Pledge of Allegiance, but not for the national anthem. When in uniform, we were told to salute.

The reason is that in saying the Pledge, you are taking an oath. While the national anthem is a patriotic song, there is no oath involved.

That is not the point.

You are in an international competition, representing your country, and your national anthem is being played.

Show some respect.

You are ok making money out of it, and disrespecting your country too??

When I was in Cub Scouts (come to think about it, it might have been the 2 finger salute, but my memory is unclear) then Boy Scouts, If in full uniform (Class A) , we did the Boy Scout Salute for the Pledge and Anthem, when not in full uniform, hand over heart for both -


There isn't a law for civilians on this - but here's the customs



Ah, I found a us.gov definition of what should happen - link will be provided
Title 36, Chapter 10—PATRIOTIC CUSTOMS

§171. National anthem; Star-Spangled Banner, conduct during playing During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

§172. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”, should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.

https://www.govinfo.gov/conten...f/CDOC-108hdoc97.pdf

Much ado about nothing. Nikki Haley must eat stupid pills for breakfast every damn day.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...c117e6daf5788c&ei=19

As for the hand over the heart, I've been to a hundred basketball games & dirt track races, soccer games, etc. 90% of the people just stand there, and that's it.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Much ado about nothing. Nikki Haley must eat stupid pills for breakfast every damn day.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...c117e6daf5788c&ei=19

As for the hand over the heart, I've been to a hundred basketball games & dirt track races, soccer games, etc. 90% of the people just stand there, and that's it.

Petty criminals supported by major criminal!

Anyone supported by Hitlery doesn’t deserve any!

I’ll wager half or better of the forum members here would not put their hands over their hearts nor would they sing the song.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I’ll wager half or better of the forum members here would not put their hands over their hearts nor would they sing the song.

The ones who voted for Kamal I bet!

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I’ll wager half or better of the forum members here would not put their hands over their hearts nor would they sing the song.

How many would doff their hats/caps?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I’ll wager half or better of the forum members here would not put their hands over their hearts nor would they sing the song.

The ones who voted for Kamal I bet!

First, I would stand, place my hand over my heart, and face the flag.

Second, I would not sing the lyrics for no other reason I do not want to sing it. I would rather focus on, think about, the lyrics song by the person who is there to do the job.

Third, it has long been settled to mandate saying the pledge by a state actor is compelled speech. The same would go for singing the anthem. Glad Saeed and his world view does control as freedom of political speech is protected here in the US. This assumes a political statement was even being made.

Fourth, they stood at attention. Now, we are going to critique intent. This is ridiculous. They kneel for political point of view, and the heat comes. If they stand at attention as we demand in the market place both commercial and ideas, we complain they did not sing.

Fifth, this thread assumes that by being silent, no singing, a political statement was being made. That statement is protected speech. If a private and commercial sponsor wants to withdraw support over such speech do be it. It is just likely they choose not to sing for singing sake.

This is just stupid. Like soccer is stupid. Saeed is just mad the AUE is not going to win, and the USA Team will at least make the finals.

Singing the song is never stupid. You represent the country you play for and if that song doesn’t get to you then perhaps you’re not American. How come everyone else sings their song? How come so many others are proud to sing their own songs while most of the petulant fools on our side do not. It’s a disgrace and a scandal. They are overpaid and unworthy of the uniform. I guess you are calling billions of people around the world stupid. It’s only the world game. Doubt you even have a scintilla of understanding of the game nor why it raises such passion in the fans. I suppose you get it or you don’t but calling it stupid says more about you than the rest of us who do get it. For the record I would be prouder than a peacock to sing the song loud and proud on the world stage. You come across as an apologist on the other hand.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
What a bunch of stupid, selfish, IDIOTS!

Good thing I am not in charge.

I would cancel their passports!

Let them try find another home!

The Vietnamese girls probably get arrested by their government if they don't pledge properly.

I dunno, most people don't seem to understand proper protocol for the national anthem. I was at a Rangers game the other day and a significant number of the crowd kept their ballcaps on during the anthem.

One more example of moral decay. I saw a little boy walk into church this weekend with his ball cap on.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
I’ll wager half or better of the forum members here would not put their hands over their hearts nor would they sing the song.

Put me in the half and half side of that --
i ALWAYS put my hand over my heart, when in attendance, and (being something of a Karen) hiss at people to at least remove their caps...

but i DO NOT sing -- why? because I don't want to hurt anyone with my terrible singing ... boots-in-a-dryer carries a tune better than i do