Probably the most famous person to come out of Brownsville Texas where I was born and raised. His family home was right across one cross street from where I grew up and on my paper route as a kid. Loved his stuff. It was generally a little dark, like Bobby Magee, but I think his best was Sunday Morning Coming Down. He will be remembered.

Kristofferson rejected redneckism embracing Mexican American civil liberties leader and befriended pro Palestinian folks.

He rejected pro British arguments in Ireland. I doubt he would support White minority rule in Africa.

“I’ve been a radical for a long time,” he told Esquire. “I guess it’s too bad. I’d be more marketable as a right-wing redneck. But I got into this to tell the truth as I saw it.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/m...-workers-1235120247/

Well God bless him.

I'm glad he charted his own path .

It's hard to be a redneck in South Texas where anglos are a definite minority.

I will take Kris Kristofferson at his word and actions.

I love his music and his movies, politically …who cares …not getting into that as nowadays everyone seems to insert some politics into everyone else’s life…stupid

The point is his works view shapes his art.

Kristofferson was a song writer first.

I also find it odd those who buy, listen, and consume Kristofferson, Cash, Waylon, etc get all upset about Taylor Swift or LeBoron James.

If they looked and give deep thought they would realize the people they like and speak well of were very Swift and James like on politics and public advocacy.

These guys were “woke” before the contingency here told our public figure to just dribble balls and play music.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/musi...m7Z?ocid=socialshare

Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

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Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

The Boss knows.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

The Boss knows.

And water is wet

Kristofferson was a bad-ass.

Rhodes Scholar. Airborne. Helicopter pilot. Crazy famous song-writer and musician. Actor.

Life well lived.

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Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

The Boss knows.

And water is wet

Serious question: why do most artists support Democrats and dislike conservatives?

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Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

The Boss knows.

And water is wet

Serious question: why do most artists support Democrats and dislike conservatives?

No clue, and I carr less. Perhaps if David Gilmore called me and said something, i might listen to a solitary artist. Then again, if Roger waters called me, I wouldn't.

Uhm, that might be it. Those two could influence my thoughts, but they have for decades. I couldn't care less what an entertainer has to say on politics.

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Bruce Springsteen Endorses Harris

The Boss knows.

And water is wet

Serious question: why do most artists support Democrats and dislike conservatives?

No clue, and I carr less. Perhaps if David Gilmore called me and said something, i might listen to a solitary artist. Then again, if Roger waters called me, I wouldn't.

Uhm, that might be it. Those two could influence my thoughts, but they have for decades. I couldn't care less what an entertainer has to say on politics.

Not saying it makes a difference...although it probably does....I don't care one way or the other.

Just wondering if the Boss saying he's voting for Harris might make a difference. He's got a couple fans.

Trump has Kid Rock and Ted Nugent to rely on. So...there is that. Lotta people.

Voters are typically idiots. It's what trump and you folks count on.

It makes sense to be against Trump, but being for Harris is inexplicable. Bill

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It makes sense to be against Trump, but being for Harris is inexplicable. Bill

I was thinking Bruce Springsteen explained it very well, sanely.

OTOH, perhaps Ted could explain it all to your (emotional) satisfaction:

https://www.newsweek.com/ted-n...rump-message-1932436

Ted Nugent's Donald Trump Message Goes Viral—'I'm Not Insane'
Published Jul 31, 2024 at 6:14 AM EDT
Updated Jul 31, 2024 at 12:07 PM EDT

Ted Nugent's message about Donald Trump has gone viral, with the singer saying it's "common sense" to vote for the former president in November's election.

Ahead of his performance at the York State Fair in York, Pennsylvania, on Sunday, the 1970s rock star shared a "PSA to America" via his YouTube channel.

Dubbing himself the "defiant middle-finger Tsar" of the U.S.A., Nugent reaffirmed his support for Trump in the 2-and-a-half-minute video.

"I've got this American dream, 'cause I improvise, adapt and overcome," the 75-year-old said in the clip. "I'm a critical thinker, I could have wrote the Constitution".

"It's common sense, it's self-evident truth, logic and common sense."

He said: "It's we the people, giving the finger to the kings, and the tyrants, and the dictators and the slave drivers. It's alive and well, but you have to vote [for] that."

Describing himself as a "heart and soul asset," Nugent hit out at "the numb n***" he believes are a "liability" to the country.

"We don't want liabilities, we want heart and soul assets to the American Dream," the guitarist said, before slamming the Biden administration, referring to the government as "blood-sucking scammers."

"Everybody around the world is looking at America now and going 'Oh my God, what have you done," Nugent said.

"How could you give up the only experiment in self-government, real rugged individualism, self-sufficiency, independence, fiery p*** and vinegar? How could you give that up and give it to these corrupt monsters in the government?

"Uncle Sam is the enemy of America, the enemy of freedom, and the enemy of the world and we're going to fix that."

"This is insanity," the Nugent added. "But I'm not insane."

Newsweek has reached out to representatives for Ted Nugent and Donald Trump for comment via email and Joe Biden via contact form.

Nugent is a long-time supporter of Trump. In 2016, the musician said the Republican politician should "be given the Medal of Freedom for speaking his mind in such a bold, honest, and straightforward manner."

Nugent endorsed Trump during his 2020 campaign, calling the 78-year-old "the greatest president in the history of America" during an appearance on the Pat's Soundbytes Unplugged podcast.

"I think he's the greatest leader in the history of the human experience," he told host Pat Calamari.

"I really believe in truth, logic, common sense and those really controversial things, like the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights and the Declaration Of Independence—you know, all those really controversial things".

"I absolutely believe... that he is the best there is right now. And I pay attention to the president."

Speaking to LondonRealTV that same year, Nugent said the real estate mogul was "sent by God" to "drain the toxic swamp."

In March 2023, Nugent urged fellow Trump fans to "remain peaceful," after the former president announced he was going to be arrested on Truth Social.

This was in reference to Trump's New York criminal case, for which he was indicted in April 2023. In May, the former president was found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records to hide "hush money" payments to Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 general election.

The adult film star said she and Trump had a one-night-stand in 2006. Trump has denied the affair and the charges against him and has suggested his legal struggles are politically motivated.

"Put on your truck light. Put on your porch light. Carry a lantern. We need to stand strong," Nugent said on his YouTube show, The Nightly Nuge.

"If they wanna arrest President Trump, we need to not protest; we need to not put on rallies... because Antifa, Black Lives Matter and these imported Chinese nationals and Somali nationals who are coming across our open border, as orchestrated by Biden Satan gang, they are ready to do battle."

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Willie Nelson ENDORSES Kamala Harris

I have never seen why a celebrity endorsement sways a voter.

I see why someone likes having a celebrity who supports something they do, especially if they like the person's work. I could care less if some rap artist is a republican... because I don't want to listen to his work anyhow.

Like Schwarzenegger... or Reagan. While I tended to support their policies, I failed to see why their jobs (especially Arnold) meant anything as far as voting for the person.

It seemed that Kristofferson at least understood that his political commentary hurt his sales to some extent- and I don't remember him being particularly in your face about his political stance... To me, its foolish to make a big deal about your politics in your business.

No way I am going to talk my political beliefs with patients/in work. Its a field that is only going to hurt you.

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I have never seen why a celebrity endorsement sways a voter.

But we have seen just being a celebrity has swayed voters.

Schwarzenegger, Reagan, Trump, Jesse Ventura and others.

Most of them were republicans. Why are republicans so swayed?

What it shows is that folks who don’t have strong political beliefs are willing to vote over celebrity status.

Someone who is popular tends to not be thought of negatively by those who like them.

Regan probably rode his acting past into the California governorship, but his personality (honed by his grainy as an actor) got him to be able to connect with the public.

Arnie schwartzenegger rode his popularity into the governors office, but his personal life harmed him, and his disagreement with his chosen political base has harmed his further electability. I don’t see him getting elected to national or high state office again.

His political career also probably has hurt his acting career at this point as well.

Why don’t we see democrat politicians who are celebrities? Not sure. Probably because most leftist celebrities know they are particularly vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy.

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I have never seen why a celebrity endorsement sways a voter.

But we have seen just being a celebrity has swayed voters.

Schwarzenegger, Reagan, Trump, Jesse Ventura and others.

Most of them were republicans. Why are republicans so swayed?

Well, Doc, I left it open-ended with my last post to see what you would say in response.

Your first sentence doesn't hold up with Trump as the example. I think it's accurate to say that most Trump supporters have strong beliefs, whether political or something else. After all, extremists and radicals are known for their strong beliefs gone too far. That's why they are extremists.

Reagan put on a good act. Trump's act is different. Logically, he should be rejected as a politician. The fact that he's not by republicans says a lot about republicans. Likewise, the fact that he's rejected by liberals says a lot too. Trump is an open book and speaks for himself re character, experience, knowledge, competence, morals, vision, goals, respect, Self-actualization, etc.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=...ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

In Trump's case self-actualization means the narcissist in him is fully actualized, internally and externally and his alt-reality. That's his goal.

"I have self-actualized. Pardon me whilst I adjust my glowing halo."
Ted Nugent - Trump Aficionado

Rightists seem to like the familiarity and attribute something in some celebrities that isn't really there. The right kind of celebrity can sway them. It's an emotional thing.

OTOH, leftists like credentials and competence and experience, like what you would find in a good resume, and don't buy BS in the interview.

They know a deceptive smooth talker, con artist, emotion rouser when they see one. Emotional sway has less to do with it.

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What it shows is that folks who don’t have strong political beliefs are willing to vote over celebrity status.

Someone who is popular tends to not be thought of negatively by those who like them.

Regan probably rode his acting past into the California governorship, but his personality (honed by his grainy as an actor) got him to be able to connect with the public.

Arnie schwartzenegger rode his popularity into the governors office, but his personal life harmed him, and his disagreement with his chosen political base has harmed his further electability. I don’t see him getting elected to national or high state office again.

His political career also probably has hurt his acting career at this point as well.

Why don’t we see democrat politicians who are celebrities? Not sure. Probably because most leftist celebrities know they are particularly vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy.

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I have never seen why a celebrity endorsement sways a voter.

But we have seen just being a celebrity has swayed voters.

Schwarzenegger, Reagan, Trump, Jesse Ventura and others.

Most of them were republicans. Why are republicans so swayed?