Why on earth has he pardoned him ?

Because they are rioters he incited. They are his people.

TDS in spades. The guy may or may not be worthy of a pardon, I surely don’t know. Yet the fact that the guy was in prison since 2013, years before Jan 6th is dispositive that Roland’s comment is just another knee jerk brought on by Trump’s name…. So it must be bad.

The guy has nothing to do with the mess on J the 6th, he is one of the biggest drug dealers ever.

Worthy of pardon? Hardly.

Did I mention before that I have noticed how scum is attracted to scum?

But the MAGATs will continue to talk about how they support law and order.

Do a little research Judge, then let me know why this POS should be walking the streets. You conservatives love to go on about the fentanyl crossing the southern border, please tells us how freeing one on the biggest drug dealers we had in custody is the way our laws should be enforced and how we are now safer.

The hypocrisy is simply astounding.

If Trump did it, it must be right!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
If Trump did it, it must be right!

Seems to be the line of "thinking" that the MAGATs stick to.

Did I ever say the guy was worthy of a pardon?
I was just pointing out that TDS requires the sufferer to make knee jerk assumptions as Roland did… and, it seems you did also by assuming I supported Trump in this particular grant. I don’t…

BTW, I think he’s wrong Constitutionally and getting bad advice about the 14th Amendment birthright citizenship (but maybe not the anchor baby consequence.) I don’t believe a citizen has an absolute right to bring in relatives. Current laws may allow it (and even encourage it) but a Constitutional right… I doubt it.

At least I read Saeed’s article and knew the recipient was in the can eight or so years prior to Jan 6th.

Heck, Liz Cheney may be more deserving.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Did I ever say the guy was worthy of a pardon?
I was just pointing out that TDS requires the sufferer to make knee jerk assumptions as Roland did… and, it seems you did also by assuming I supported Trump in this particular grant. I don’t… and I think he’s getting bad advice about birthright citizenship (but maybe not the anchor baby consequence.)

At least I read Saeed’s article and knew the recipient was in the can eight or so years prior to Jan 6th.

Heck, Liz Cheney may be more deserving.

Then why did you not say you didn't support Trump's actions in your first post? Instead, you played the old " The guy may or may not be worthy of a pardon, I surely don’t know" card. Had you come out against Trump's actions, instead of attempting to give cover to his shitty behavior, we would not be having this conversation.

Must be tough trying to maintain your integrity and still supporting Trump's actions. You have my simpathy Ernest.

You make my point. Folks with TDS have to believe anyone who mentions Trump’s name or policy without calling him a traitor, fascist or the like is a full-blown MAGA fanatic and worthy of distain. I think I made myself very clear. I don’t know the guys story. Still don’t. Like I suggested earlier, read Grissom FRAMED. I’m not writing in a vacuum. Plenty of folks are railroaded into prison. I’ve had to undo it often. One article isn’t going to sway me. Just weighing the odds, the guy was rightfully convicted…. But I’m making no value judgment on that, just the Roland knee jerk clearly before he read Saeed’s article.

You misinterpreted it. It’s not your character I know, just the sad division in this country. You gotta admire Saeed, though. He not a fan of either side of the breach.

No, you did not make yourself clear, you intentionally muddied the water and gave cover to Trump's shitty behavior until you were pressed on the matter.

We know Trump's character and I have watched you support him no matter how shitty that behavior is.

I don't support either side either and said several time that my choice would be a moderate Republican.

What I don't admire is those of you in the cult of personality that support Trump no matter what. It disgusts me really.

Now America has two groups of people!

Those with TDS and those with their heads up Trump’s arse!

We had a D.I. tell us once, “Hate is a terrible thing to waste.”

Logic and English language skills seem to have left you.

Good luck on your recovery.

Saeed: Hang in there, my friend. You know I love you. Be careful or I’ll tell all about what a selfless and generous man you really are.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Now America has two groups of people!

Those with TDS and those with their heads up Trump’s arse!

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
We had a D.I. tell us once, “Hate is a terrible thing to waste.”

Logic and English language skills seem to have left you.

Good luck on your recovery.

Some folks struggle when asked to be accountable for their behavior. You are not alone Ernest, you have plenty of company in the MAGA crowd.

Disgust and hate are not the same. I do not hate anyone over politics. The rational that you MAGATs use to support your cult leader does disgust me though.

It is you that needs a remedial course in English.

https://youtu.be/inhbozg6ByU?si=6JMIGqwYp9ZZvg__
Here’s one of my cases. I’ve not seen any edited final at all, but (though I’m the judge in the series) I was the guys attorney after trail

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
We had a D.I. tell us once, “Hate is a terrible thing to waste.”

Logic and English language skills seem to have left you.

Good luck on your recovery.

Some folks struggle when asked to be accountable for their behavior. You are not alone Ernest, you have plenty of company in the MAGA crowd.

Disgust and hate are not the same. I do not hate anyone over politics. The rational that you MAGATs use to support your cult leader does disgust me though.

It is you that needs a remedial course in English.

Is your point that you believe in law and order and a fair application of those laws? If so, we are in agreement on that point.

Where I tend to disagree with you Trump supporters is that I believe those laws and standards should apply to Trump as well as the rest of us( I am not referring to Presidential immunity). A good example would be you defending Trump's call to Raffensburger when he was asking him to "find" the votes that Trump needed. Simply unacceptable behavior, yet you defend it.

That type of rational disgusts me, but I don't hate you or anyone else because of it.

I assume you have listened to the entire tape of the phone call. What part do you find criminal or offensive. Be aware, that to my knowledge, there has not been a single Georgia state-wide election where mistakes were not made in tabulating and recording votes. Some years were worse than others, but the burden for the complainant is generally that the mistakes are great enough that they could change the election. That was one of the criteria in the summary decisions judges made. “Finding” misreported or improperly excluded votes is s.o.p. Both parties file suites claiming more votes need to be counted (for them) in every election.

Reports of the results are only as good as the reporter ad the tabulated, human or mechanical. With over 150 counties (and God only knows how many precincts) in Georgia, mistakes, big and small, are bound to happen.

Was there any threat in the call? Any offer of quid pro quo? Any request to do an illegal act?


I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending against the criminalization of opposing political views.

Asking a State's AG to "find" you the votes that you need to win is not SOP anywhere. This is EXACTLY what I am referring to. You are rationalizing Trump's despicable behavior, it is sad, more so for someone that has spent a lifetime working as a lawyer and judge.

It is even more sad that you do not see it when it is pointed out to you.

I guess you haven’t listened to the tape. The call wasn’t to the AG but the Sec. of State.

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Asking a State's AG to "find" you the votes that you need to win is not SOP anywhere. This is EXACTLY what I am referring to. You are rationalizing Trump's despicable behavior, it is sad, more so for someone that has spent a lifetime working as a lawyer and judge.

It is even more sad that you do not see it when it is pointed out to you.

My mistake, the SOS, not the AG. The premise remains though. I listened to Trump ask him to find "11,780 votes".

How you can defend that behavior and claim to have integrity is a mystery to me. Trump could not be more corrupt, yet you defend that corruption with a straight face.

Sad, very, very sad.

I have listened to the entire tape.

The federal exec has no buddy telling a state officer to find that defeated president enough votes.

There is no, “ I think he is wrong.”

President Trump in issuing an executive order to re-write controlling S. Ct. precedent of the 14th Amendment is truly a tyrannical abuse of power.

Had President Obama or President Biden used an executive order to void Heller and McDonald the intellectually dishonest and hypocrites of the right on here would be shouting doen such action. I would join. There would be no, “ I think.”

Still no one has come up with why someone who facilitated drug deals and worse on the dark web deserves a pardon.

I can see the logic of him pardoning his supporters, tho I don’t agree with it, but why he would pardon this guy is beyond me.

I’m not American, I have no say in this, but as the outsider looking in my thought would be that pardons should be for miscarriages of justice and the like.

Deserve has nothing to do w pardons.

No, this was a bad idea. He's a notorious bad guy in cyber

The guy has spent 10 or 11 years in jail. That’s a long time. Without knowing all the facts of evidence proved at trial, my presumption is that he intentionally broke the law and should suffer accountability. To my mind, a pardon wasn’t the appropriate grant unless there’s something unreleased to date. A commutation of the life sentence to time served (10 years) would be less controversial and more acceptable to most of us, I reckon. Maybe hard to swallow but it’s not preemptive and the conviction is still there.

You’re correct as to authority, of course, but the country should be able to trust its elected officials not to abuse the power. It’s now dueling pardons and the albino kid hasn’t even hit a lick on his banjo yet.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Deserve has nothing to do w pardons.

A pardon that is not an abuse is not an abuse of power. It is the sole and fully vested power.

The use of a power like an executive order to do something the Constitution does not permit like void the Constitution as amended is an abuse of power.

A pardon is not even an abuse of discretion.

Again you’re correct. I should realize “abuse of discretion” is a term of the art. If a magistrate so acts, there’s usually a remedy. There’s no remedying a POTUS pardon by a higher tribunal.

That said, the POTUS, even he has the power to do so, should not “abuse” (in the laymen’s meaning of the term) that power. The remedy for that layman’s “abuse” is at the ballot box. Unfortunately, both the acting POTUS won’t face that remedy.

Inappropriate pardons are an abuse of legal authority. They are not illegal, and the only remedy is impeachment of the president or governor doing them, but it is an abuse of their power.

From what I’ve seen here, this was an abuse.

Bad on DJT.

No, Washington pardoned those who took up arms against the government.

This is a vested power given to that sole discretion of the president.
If you don’t like it, then do not vote for him.

Enough did. That is enough said.

An abuse of power is when a president uses a vested power to do something he is not permitted by the Constitution to do.

It’s laughable how both sides make excuses for their side’s abuse of executive privilege… Of course it’s no surprise either. Same shit, different day…

I saw tonight where he pardoned the leader of the Oathkeepers. When he was asked as he left prison if he had any regrets about the violence, he said no.

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Still no one has come up with why someone who facilitated drug deals and worse on the dark web deserves a pardon.

I can see the logic of him pardoning his supporters, tho I don’t agree with it, but why he would pardon this guy is beyond me.

I’m not American, I have no say in this, but as the outsider looking in my thought would be that pardons should be for miscarriages of justice and the like.

He made billions that were successfully hidden from the various authorities, might have had some influence on this corrupt action.

This wasn't a guy selling a few drugs at a flea market table, he set up and ran the global flea market for not only drugs but murder-for-hire and slavery.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Saeed: Hang in there, my friend. You know I love you. Be careful or I’ll tell all about what a selfless and generous man you really are.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Now America has two groups of people!

Those with TDS and those with their heads up Trump’s arse!

Ernest my friend.

You and me are irrelevant.

Politics has become the new RELIGION!

Wherever we live, under whatever political system, it is those in power than make the decisions.

Not us.

Hence my universal dislike of everything political.

To get to the level of irrelevance, I’d have to raise my status a bit.

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Ernest my friend.

You and me are irrelevant.

Politics has become the new RELIGION!

Wherever we live, under whatever political system, it is those in power than make the decisions.

Not us.

Hence my universal dislike of everything political.