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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Jeff, you know damn well that if you had done what Biden did with classified information you might be just getting out of Leavenworth now.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Jeff, you know damn well that if you had done what Biden did with classified information you might be just getting out of Leavenworth now.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Service members they don’t care why you have them. You know that.

If I had them, they would charge me. And I’m not even in the military.

His possession of them in his house was the problem. If they had thrown politicians in prison for that way back when, then Trump would be where he should be… right next to Biden.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Service members they don’t care why you have them. You know that.

If I had them, they would charge me. And I’m not even in the military.

His possession of them in his house was the problem. If they had thrown politicians in prison for that way back when, then Trump would be where he should be… right next to Biden.

Except the Fed law and caselaw require more than mere negligence. Your position on the law is incorrect.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

Really?


Never has the government been more politicized. Trump is not a Boy Scout but he has been constantly dragged through a corrupt court system directed from the money provided by Soras and his democratic pawns, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and that groups underlings. Really a sad state in what the democrats want to turn our country into. I agree we don’t have good choices but the Clinton/Obama/Biden/Harris changes for our country is far from the USA I grew up to Love .

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.[/QUOTE

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find
ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage
to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

Really?


Never has the government been more politicized. Trump is not a Boy Scout but he has been constantly dragged through a corrupt court system directed from the money provided by Soras and his democratic pawns, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and that groups underlings. Really a sad state in what the democrats want to turn our country into. I agree we don’t have good choices but the Clinton/Obama/Biden/Harris changes for our country is far from the USA I grew up to Love .

Pelosi didn't indict Trump, Grand Juries made up of citizens did.

Obama didn't convict Trump of 34 felonies, a jury of American citizens did.

You're right, how much more peace and prosperity are we supposed to put up with, the deficit spending and bodies in reefer trucks under Trump was so much better.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

What have I claimed about Biden that's "baloney"?

Is the stock market not setting records?

Are we not producing more oil/gas than we ever have?

Have there not been 16 million jobs created during his Administration?

Wasn't practically every economist predicting a deep recession or worse when he took office?

Where's the baloney?

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by 4WD:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.[/QUOTE

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find
ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage
to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

Really?


Never has the government been more politicized. Trump is not a Boy Scout but he has been constantly dragged through a corrupt court system directed from the money provided by Soras and his democratic pawns, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and that groups underlings. Really a sad state in what the democrats want to turn our country into. I agree we don’t have good choices but the Clinton/Obama/Biden/Harris changes for our country is far from the USA I grew up to Love .

Pelosi didn't indict Trump, Grand Juries made up of citizens did.

Obama didn't convict Trump of 34 felonies, a jury of American citizens did.

You're right, how much more peace and prosperity are we supposed to put up with, the deficit spending and bodies in reefer trucks under Trump was so much better.

In Life
It’s Important to know
When to stop arguing
With people and simply
Let them be wrong
4WD

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Originally posted by JTEX:
And Scott, goofy joe and crooked Hillary earned plenty enough scorn....the just never received it....leftists are somehow immune.

I think that might be the op's point.

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by 4WD:
If the system was honest , how many felony charges would Bill & Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have if we spent the same amount of time, money, energy, coming up with felony charges?
Trouble is the Clinton accusers/witnesses seem to find some form of death before they can testify. Biden has his protectors. The ruling democrats are the largest group of political scum in our lifetime.

Who's voting for or defending the Clinton's or Biden? Jeff occasionally sings Bidens virtues but he's obviously full of baloney.

Again, since you and I are adults and are responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in, we can ask how did Trump manage to get where he is today?

Reagan and Eisenhower were never accused of felonies I think, Lincoln survived his possibly un constitutional moves and has his own memorial. Ford wasn't accused of felonies but I do believe "W" was guilty.

Again, give credit where it's due, Trump earned the scorn he has.

What have I claimed about Biden that's "baloney"?

Is the stock market not setting records?

Are we not producing more oil/gas than we ever have?

Have there not been 16 million jobs created during his Administration?

Wasn't practically every economist predicting a deep recession or worse when he took office?

Where's the baloney?

Ive called you on this several times and you look the other way.

The stock market has been growing since well before Biden.

The oil industry has been booming since the early years of The War in Terror and we've been a net oil exporter since 2015 and the exploration and development done previous to Biden is why we're producing so much today. Did you want to credit the exploration and development done years ago to Trump? The timing seems accurate.

Any chance of a recession or depression was eliminated by the retarded influx of Corona cash into the economy. As I said before, Biden wandered the halls, America spent their bailout money like drunk sailors and the federal debt soared. I read just in the last day or two that the percentage of Americans "upsidedown" in their auto loans is increasing. Bidens fault?

The only luck or success or victory that Biden/ Harris can claim is that Trump could actually be worse.

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Was Donald Trump accurate in saying that “I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country”? And was Kamala Harris correct in commenting that “Bidenomics is working” in reference to her and President Joe Biden’s policies?

The data shows us the Trump economy was far from the best in history. Considering GDP, employment, and production, it was mediocre to poor. Indeed, the economy expanded much more strongly under Biden and Harris.

But when it comes to voters’ perceptions of whether Bidenomics is working, it’s not the economy, it’s inflation on which they are focusing.


Before any analysis can be performed, a decision has to made on how to handle COVID-19.

While COVID and the shutdown of nonessential businesses started during Trump’s term, it was still going full-tilt when Biden took over. Biden also had to cope with the resulting tangled global supply chain, labor and transportation shortages, bird flu, wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, and a Fed that was tardy in cutting interest rates.

Adjusting Trump’s economic numbers for COVID might be doable, but not his inflation numbers. Correcting Biden’s economic and inflation numbers for the crises he faced would be impossible.

Historians judge presidents on their entire term and how they deal with the crises they faced. The best way to evaluate presidents is by their entire time in office.

Looking at each presidency in its entirety, the overall economy expanded faster under Biden than Trump.

The most encompassing measure of economic activity is GDP. The Trump economy expanded by a 1.9% annual average growth rate over his four years. Under Biden, through the second quarter of 2024, the average rate was 2.9%, one full percentage point faster.

To put these numbers in perspective, the average GDP growth rate for the last eight presidents from Carter through Biden was 2.7%. Trump’s performance tied with George W. Bush for the slowest growth rate of that group. Biden came in fourth.

There are several measures that talk to the state of the labor market: The number of employees, the number of individuals working, and the unemployment rate. How did Trump and Biden do?

The economy lost jobs under Trump, but employment surged under Biden.

At the end of the Trump administration, there were 2.7 million fewer workers on business payrolls than when he took office. From Biden’s inauguration through September 2024, businesses created 16.2 million new positions.

Of the last eight presidents, Trump is the only one who saw total payrolls decrease from when he took office. Biden, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama all created double-digit millions of new jobs. Biden’s average monthly increase was the largest of all.

Similarly, when Trump left office, there were 2.3 million fewer people working compared to the month he took office. This September, there were 12 million more individuals working than when Biden took office.

No other president in the past 50 years posted employment declines during their tenure.

Finally, let’s look at unemployment. The unemployment rate increased during the Trump administration — from 4.7% at the end of the Obama administration to 6.4% in January 2021.

Of the eight recent presidents, only in the two Bush presidencies was the unemployment rate higher at the end than the beginning.

Furthermore, in April 2020, the rate reached a post-WWII high of 14.8%, amid COVID-related shutdowns, but it fell sharply subsequently.

Under Biden, the unemployment rate in September was 2.3 percentage points lower than when he took over. It should be noted that the rate bottomed at 3.4% in early 2023 and while still historically low, it has slowly increased over the past eighteen months.

Manufacturing employment is a hot-button issue in this campaign, and former President Trump has claimed he was great for the manufacturing sector.

During Trump’s four years, the manufacturing sector lost 178,000 jobs.

So far under Biden, the manufacturing workforce has expanded by 729,000 employees, the second-most by any president in the last 50 years.

A second manufacturing measure is industrial production.

Under Trump, manufacturing output decreased by about 1.2%. So far under Biden, it has increased by roughly 2.5%.

Of the eight most recent presidents, the only other who saw manufacturing output shrink during his administration was George W. Bush (-5.2%).

One other hot-button issue being raised is oil production. Trump grew oil output faster than Biden, 26% to 18%. But, under Biden, U.S. oil production is at the highest level in history.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Jeff, you know damn well that if you had done what Biden did with classified information you might be just getting out of Leavenworth now.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Jeff, you know damn well that if you had done what Biden did with classified information you might be just getting out of Leavenworth now.

And, trump should be doing time in a federal prison right now for the same thing in addition to sedition and conspiracy. US Attorneys have discretion on who to charge and what to charge them with. It's the only reason your boy ain't in jail as we type.