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Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
This could get interesting.

Probably not. I don't argue with Doc or Jtex or Steve, the other Steve, Mike , you, the Jeff's, etc,.... We can exchange ideas, disagree and that's that.

Naki is an easy example, why argue? He's a goon, everyone here thinks so but so what? Arguing or insulting doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what Naki thinks, nothing is being won here. We'll all wander in and out as long as we please and Saeed allows.

So, why do you argue with Lane? In particular why do you step on his ego? Questioning his credibility is like using a fly swatter on his erection. You know he just gets harder and inflamed.

I was hoping that you would explain more about why, in your opinion, he loses credibility for the comparison of the former military generals to the recent ones who denounced Trump. But you chickened out and deflected to Naki name calling and insults instead.

Hummm. Why suddenly nihilistic?

Last count, I can't think of a single high rank retired who supports Trump except Flynn. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

His highest rank was Lieutenant General as I recall.

Per Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...curity_Advisor,_2017

"In September 2011, Flynn was promoted to Lieutenant General and assigned as assistant director of national intelligence in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. On April 17, 2012, President Barack Obama nominated Flynn to be the 18th director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.[62][63] Flynn took command of the DIA in July 2012.[64] He simultaneously became commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board."

"In mid-2014, his two-year term at the DIA was not extended."[52]

"On November 18, 2016, Flynn accepted Trump's offer for the position of National Security Advisor.[130] During their meeting in the Oval Office two days after the election, Obama expressed "profound concerns" about placing Flynn in a sensitive, high-level national security post, and warned President-elect Trump against hiring Flynn."[131]

Also, I can't think of a single living former POTUS or VP who supports Trump and at least one, Chaney, has denounced him. Last I read, Carter was looking forward to voting for Harris. He's 100 this year as I recall.

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On further research, here's something disturbing:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...-overseas-rcna173741

Oct. 2, 2024

Former Trump national security aides endorse him amid turmoil overseas
The letter of support was released shortly after special counsel Jack Smith's team argued that Trump "resorted to crimes" in an effort to stay in office after his 2020 electoral defeat.

Some people are looking for a job and some are not.

Excerpt:

A person familiar with the effort to collect signatures and write the letter, which refers to the Sermon on the Mount and “the Judeo-Christian principles upon which our nation was founded,” said it proves Trump would be able to fill a new administration with top-quality aides.

"This letter shows the establishment and the left are woefully inaccurate in saying the president would not attract top talent in term two," the person said.

One of the signers of Wednesday's letter was former Attorney General William Barr, who last year called the Jan. 6 prosecution a "legitimate case."

"There was very grave wrongdoing here," Barr told PBS at the time. "And I think it’s reasonable to say that it falls within the obstruction of a proceeding."

The signers do not include Trump's first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, or his secretaries of defense, James Mattis and Mark Esper.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
I sure do wish I could buy Lane for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth, I'd be an instant oligarch.

That’s a laughable proposition from a man who couldn’t begin to appraise either value.

I know what your word is worth, the truth ain't in you.

Jeff,
Have you ever heard the phrase: “talk is cheap but it takes money to buy whiskey?”

I’d be willing to bet that my word has a helluva lot more buying power than yours.

If Trump has proven anything, it's that demagoguery and fascist rhetoric, lies and propaganda, Fox MAGA bullhorn dis/misinformation, farce christofascism, and broligarchs are like money in the bank. So much money to possibly to buy a country and run it like a cash machine, for the bros, an end perpetuated by the same means.

A 700+ million $$ defamation lawsuit settlement for lies is just a drop in the bucket. There's a lot more money where that came from to replace it and spread it like a band of thieves - top dribble down. The end justifies the means - always. And also always, recognizing what it, the trajectory, the power, is sobering (for lack of a better word).

The question is - where on earth and history has that "end" ever been sustainable? One example I can think of is Saudi Arabia. Its wealth has a superpower and it's all oil.

Drill Baby Drill, while it lasts.

I can't think of anything in human nature more primal than the power mongers structuring society, through governance, as a top dribble down resource allocation machine, where perpetuating the power at the top is utmost.

It's disturbing to watch as many who are in the sub-structures of society grant those at the top the power to dribble down to a hierarchy of loyalists.

It changes the meaning of "We the People" to wee the people.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
I sure do wish I could buy Lane for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth, I'd be an instant oligarch.

That’s a laughable proposition from a man who couldn’t begin to appraise either value.

I know what your word is worth, the truth ain't in you.

Jeff,
Have you ever heard the phrase: “talk is cheap but it takes money to buy whiskey?”

I’d be willing to bet that my word has a helluva lot more buying power than yours.

And you think that's all that matters.

Your fascist oligarch is getting more Black and Latino votes than Romney McCain Dole and both Bush’s ever dreamed of.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
I sure do wish I could buy Lane for what he's worth and sell him for what he thinks he's worth, I'd be an instant oligarch.

That’s a laughable proposition from a man who couldn’t begin to appraise either value.

I know what your word is worth, the truth ain't in you.

Jeff,
Have you ever heard the phrase: “talk is cheap but it takes money to buy whiskey?”

I’d be willing to bet that my word has a helluva lot more buying power than yours.

And you think that's all that matters.

It matters because people trust my word and back that trust with money.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
200+ fmr. generals, admirals endorse Trump

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Hundreds of national security officials, ex-Cabinet members, Gold Star families endorse Trump

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Your fascist oligarch is getting more Black and Latino votes than Romney McCain Dole and both Bush’s ever dreamed of.

The world had no idea that there were so many fascists and wannabees and fodder in the USA until Trump's rise and division flushed them out in broad daylight.

A real life reality show, his specialty, of the walking dead, who really believe there are, in the final summary, solutions found in fascism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...daf9730ea38250&ei=69

Trump says he’s ‘really, really rich.’ With a possible presidential victory looming, here’s how much he’s actually worth
Story by Jane Thier • 7h • 2 min read

Nonetheless, he’s chugging along. He currently ranks 473rd on Bloomberg’s Billionaire Index list of the world’s 500 richest people. As of this week, Bloomberg pegged Trump’s fortune at $6.61 billion, and while Trump Media is responsible for most of that recent bump, it ultimately cites real estate as the source of the wealth.

Indeed, one of the standout avenues of Trump’s recent wealth growth is his newest venture, Trump Media & Technology Group Corp., which owns social media platform Truth Social. Trump Media’s share price has almost tripled in the past month. The company announced this week that it had launched an app for Amazon Fire TVs to access Truth Social’s Truth+ streaming platform, also available for Androids, Apple TVs and on the web.

But not every outlet agrees with Bloomberg. Per the Wall Street Journal, it hovers between $7.5 billion and $10 billion, more than double what it was when Trump was running for president the last two times. Meanwhile, Forbes, which is perhaps best known for its net worth estimates, reports that Trump is worth $6.5 billion.

Consider Trump Media, for one. Its stock price has, this year, risen and fallen in tandem with Trump’s election odds. In recent weeks, as his chances have improved, Trump Media’s share price soared from its all-time low in September—with the expectation that it will continue to rise if he’s actually elected. (When, earlier this year, Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts, the price fell precipitously.)

Despite which publication’s estimation a voter buys, the actual dollar figure is unlikely to clearly emerge before the election. New York attorney general Letitia James has said Trump, at various points, has probably overstated his net worth by even $3.6 billion over the years.

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Truth Social proves that "Truth" is flexible. And Trump has exploited every aspect of flexible as it pertains to Truth.

Here are the many synonyms for flexible and they all apply to Trump Truth:

malleable,
adjustable,
bending,
ductile,
elastic,
extensible,
extensile,
formable,
formative,
impressionable,
like putty,
limber,
lithe,
moldable,
plastic,
pliant,
spongy,
springy,
stretch,
stretchable,
stretchy,
supple,
tensile,
tractable,
tractile,
whippy,
willowy,
yielding,
adjective as in adaptable,
acquiescent,
adjustable,
amenable,
biddable,
complaisant,
compliant,
discretionary,
docile,
gentle,
going every which way,
hanging loose,
like putty in hands,
responsive,
manageable,
open,
rolling with punches,
tractable,
variable.

IOW, Truth is a commodity:
noun
an article of trade or commerce, especially a product as distinguished from a service.
something of use, advantage, or value.

It is the entire basis for Trump's alt-reality and Fox News profits.

Reality itself is too rigid for fascism.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Interesting if you're not American. I saw another headline just now that said a top analyst or somebody like that was predicting a Trump win. Wasn't important enough for me to get details.

What bothers me and I'd guess the foreigners find interesting is that we are here.

Historically we and the world used to respect and look up to our fighting men and those who have served our country. Eisenhower, JFK and Washington are on our money. Arlington cemetery is dedicated to respecting our military, there's the memorials like the Vietnam war memorial, the Washington memorial, holidays like Veterans day and Memorial day. War movies are some of our favorite entertainment, many of us here like the idea of owning a Garand and everyone knows what the Medal of Honor is for, what it takes to receive it and that the recipient is commonly dead when they do. Seems like that's gone. Miley, Kelly and Mattis are disrespected and dismissed. What our veterans fought for for years in Europe, for a decade in south east Asia and for decades in the M.E.is said to be of no value.

At the same time, some of us advocate division. "Our fellow Americans are the worst enemy". Trump calls for the suspension of the Constitution, military tribunals for his political opponents and the suppression of the Press and a significant percentage of United States citizens say, "yep". It's a guarantee that Trump won't reach across the aisle for any reason and therefore his tenure is certainly doomed to fail and his constituents cheer.

On the other hand, the opposition runs out Biden and Harris.

If Trump is so terrible why in the world is the contest so close?

If Biden/Harris is so terrible why in the world is the contest so close?

I've been looking at retirement options in Argentina and Chile.

Yes, Scott, your OP is interesting, indeed.

I've been trying to stay on-topic.

In my above post, the word I was looking for is "fungible". Truth is a fungible commodity. Reality is not fungible. Alt-reality, being a byproduct of fungible Truth, is also fungible.

Trump and his MAGA media support are masters of manipulating and marketing the alt-reality of fungible Truth. Do we really want a reality show celebrity in the WH? Many answer yes.

Here's a reality - since Trump got where he is exploiting fungible Truth, and although his alt-reality may become reality with that means, in that realm there will never be a pivot. Truth will always be fungible, and alt-reality will morph like a ghost.

By "pivot", I mean like this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry...59fde4b00a4f9829be9e

Chris Wallace Gives Unvarnished Brutal Truth About Why He Left Fox News
The veteran anchor didn't hold back this time in discussing his days at the conservative network.

“I saw a poll that said that 70% of Republicans did not think that Joe Biden is the legitimate president,” Wallace said. “That’s horrifying. When you talk about why did you leave and why was it unsustainable? I had no problem with conservative opinion any more than I do with liberal opinion. But what I do have a problem with is conspiracy, lies. The truth is non-negotiable. It’s not something that you can sit there and shade or in any way play with. And I saw way too much of that happening.”

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I never watch or read anything out of Newsmax, but here's an exception to show my point. I didn't watch it all, just the first part up until the lies started.

This is not "News". It's persuasion from a smooth talker, with an agenda. He's telling his audience what to think, providing lies and affirmations.

https://www.newsmaxtv.com/Show...-Gorka-Reality-Check

It's very effective and persuasive. It's all alt-reality stuff, selling fungible Truth.

It's free speech, of course, but the audience buys it, either cognitive bias affirmations or they just don't have sense enough to sort it out.

The Swamp!!! This nation has never seen a Swamp such as Trump and Heritage Foundation have planned for us. Fox and Newsmax are essential parts of the machine. They are counting on it, in billions of $. They lay the groundwork with every broadcast. It's a solid investment with high stakes and high reward, plus it's paying now, already.

The country is the pawn.

Just finishing up my travels around the states now. It's been awesome and thought provoking and enjoyable.
But above all surprising.
My observance is that I see much more confidence coming from the Republican camp, andthan the Democrat one.

You mean confidence like this?

https://youtu.be/FznbfmZ0JZE?si=HLldd9mQaPsT5B-G

Pro-Trump think tank leader makes ominous threat about ‘second American Revolution’

Proud Boyz and Oath Keeper leaders had confidence and instilled it, until they were convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Of course they will be among the first to be pardoned if Trump is elected.

To your question above, I'd ask you in reply, do you see anyone winning? Doc and Jeff are now back and forth with "nutter" and "fascist". Do you see an imminent victory for either side?

I shared a thought, discussed it as far as I was interested and that's all for now. I think I'm right, especially about being a man of your word.

Chickening out has nothing to do with anything as far as I'm concerned.

Of course I'm winning.

A little friendly prodding seems fair IMO.

Hope you don't mind. I just felt that you didn't make your case enough, so I helped.

Notice that I didn't contradict you harshly.

Your comment regarding Trump and your non-support, tied to your firm principle about being a man of his word is solid.

Re your question about "imminent victory" - I try not to think of it that way. To me arguments like that are like a debate, and the winner is the one who makes the best argument with support in facts and evidence and perhaps some help from others chiming in. It can go either way. For example, Lane posted some links to facts that I wasn't aware of in one of our arguments, and it swayed me - a little Granted, I wasn't fair about it and didn't say so.

I gave up on getting agreement through argument or debate. I just state my case and try to support it. It's a venue for expression, that's all. Effect or affect externally as a byproduct is not expected, but a bonus if it happens.

I've thought about it a lot. Arguments like we have herein when done in person have definitely proven futile for me. They lead to much frustration. That degree of frustration isn't the same as experienced here. It's much less. Being able to vent herein saves me a lot of angst in personal relationships with family and friends.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Of course I'm winning.

A little friendly prodding seems fair IMO.

Hope you don't mind. I just felt that you didn't make your case enough, so I helped.

Notice that I didn't contradict you harshly.

Your comment regarding Trump and your non-support, tied to your firm principle about being a man of his word is solid.

Re your question about "imminent victory" - I try not to think of it that way. To me arguments like that are like a debate, and the winner is the one who makes the best argument with support in facts and evidence and perhaps some help from others chiming in. It can go either way. For example, Lane posted some links to facts that I wasn't aware of in one of our arguments, and it swayed me - a little Granted, I wasn't fair about it and didn't say so.

I gave up on getting agreement through argument or debate. I just state my case and try to support it. It's a venue for expression, that's all. Effect or affect externally as a byproduct is not expected, but a bonus if it happens.

I've thought about it a lot. Arguments like we have herein when done in person have definitely proven futile for me. They lead to much frustration. That degree of frustration isn't the same as experienced here. It's much less. Being able to vent herein saves me a lot of angst in personal relationships with family and friends.

Again, id suggest not arguing with your family and friends.

Heym got after me a few times for repeating myself to much so I've tried to improve. After about twice it seems to me I've been heard enough. I don't need imminent victory and rarely pursue the last word.

The original intent of this topic was to mention my impression of how things seem to have changed. Traditional values that the Republicans use to espouse are in the trash bin. Those in service to our nation are scorned. Truth, honor, justice, publicly acknowledged as having no value. "Never mind his words." Judges are political hacks, being an American isn't enough to have basic rights, (liberals,) and of course the cornerstone of our society, The Constitution is actually not a foundation but a rag subject to the whims of the moment.

The above has been mentioned before, I don't see why I need to repeat it another six times here.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You mean confidence like this?

https://youtu.be/FznbfmZ0JZE?si=HLldd9mQaPsT5B-G

Pro-Trump think tank leader makes ominous threat about ‘second American Revolution’

Proud Boyz and Oath Keeper leaders had confidence and instilled it, until they were convicted of seditious conspiracy.

Of course they will be among the first to be pardoned if Trump is elected.

No. Not like that. I mean the ordinary citizens who I've met. The ones with no political influence.... except thier vote.

I'd also say that from the people I've talked with. It could equally be said that neither "side" seems to be voting on the candidate. But rather the party.
Had dinner and got shown round chicago by a young couple in thier 20s last night. Their perspective was very interesting.

Well I see some of the Trump supporter posts herein, supposedly from ordinary people, who have a tone in their expressions that goes beyond party. Of course the party and candidate are part of it, but there is something more.

The "tone" I see is the hope and want, through party and candidate, for the expression of their hate by means of retribution. The "confidence" is the hope and want is deemed inevitable, so righteous that it's a matter of sooner or later.

There is no doubt that the Heritage Foundation and the authors of Project 2025 have that mind-set. Ominous is the correct word for it.

I can't say whether your experiences are representative of whatever, but I've thought for a long time that the participants herein represent a broad spectrum.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
bah blah blah - demonize anyone that doesn't agree with me. blah blah

.. while i voted for the libertarian candidate, please list quemala's top 5 attributes that support voting for her, you can't use the word trump .. we'll wait

I don't know who quemala is.

Not a single person I've spoken with. Outside of the internet. Talks of hate.
I think places like this are magnifies. But they are not necessarily magnifying the important things. Maybe you get the hate you do because you constantly represent the others as evil. The average cropper out in the small towns is prioritizing being listened too rather than being spoken too.

That's why I used the word "tone".

They don't say the word hate. They buy into terms like "enemy within" or "vermin", etc.

When I say "they" I don't mean those you spoke with on your trip.

Those are not the clues or represent hate that I'm talking about. Your experience, face to face, may be whitewashed.

Keven Roberts didn't use the word "hate", but his tone/attitude screamed it.

Quote: "Maybe you get the hate you do because you constantly represent the others as evil."

That's like the term "now look what you made me do". It's also a psycho projection.

BTW, I usually avoid the word "evil" because it's not generally a secular assessment term. You won't find that word in the rule of law. It's Biblical.

Quote: "I think places like this are magnifies."

Yes, generally political forums magnify or intensify. But this one is relatively mild, thus leaving/providing much space for real expression well below hysterical levels.

I think face to face or small friendly groups are the opposite of magnifiers, for good and necessary reasons, but not good indicators. Like having Thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of relatives is Not the place or time to magnify political or religious disagreements.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I don't know who quemala is.

Look at your signature and try to say that again, with a straight face. This is one of a critical fault you facists miss, you are fine being DIRT BAGS to the other side, but want to be all prissy when it comes back to you. To answer your questions, yes, YOU can be with unknowingly facist and hypocrite.. YOU are proof of it


oh, sweet little pensive thing - when you stop saying anything other than PRESIDENT DJT, we can play the same game ... but, to not offended your little "sensibilities" -- kamala .. care to step up now, little pensive?

not even *I* think you are this stupid, btw

this "lack of knowledge" has stopped your from responding in the past, what changed, kabob? hypocrite

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
That's why I used the word "tone".

They don't say the word hate. They buy into terms like "enemy within" or "vermin", etc.

When I say "they" I don't mean those you spoke with on your trip.

Those are not the clues or represent hate that I'm talking about. Your experience, face to face, may be whitewashed.

Keven Roberts didn't use the word "hate", but his tone/attitude screamed it.

Quote: "Maybe you get the hate you do because you constantly represent the others as evil."

That's like the term "now look what you made me do". It's also a psycho projection.

BTW, I usually avoid the word "evil" because it's not generally a secular assessment term. You won't find that word in the rule of law. It's Biblical.

Quote: "I think places like this are magnifies."

Yes, generally political forums magnify or intensify. But this one is relatively mild, thus leaving/providing much space for real expression well below hysterical levels.

I think face to face or small friendly groups are the opposite of magnifiers, for good and necessary reasons, but not good indicators. Like having Thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of relatives is Not the place or time to magnify political or religious disagreements.

I have been asking for it though. Who and why.
Evil is a word I would happily use to describe no religious action. In not religion focused.
Regardless my opinion of the end result has swayed once again. That's not an opinion of what I want or anything. Just a reading of the mood I experienced.
The young people I talked with are hoping for a large youth turnout.

Shanks
Don't you love it, when a person not there, not having the experience, and not an authority for you try to tell you how you should evaluate your lived experiences?

Its frustrating at this stage.

Doc

You are totally WRONG. The Democrats are not a "fringe ideology". The Harris platform is very similar to Ronald Raegan's.

Since Carl Rove started pushing the GOP to the right, you have had the kooks take over. QAnon, Britebart, Proud Boys etc. are now main stream GOP. They are not even the fringe!

See below what I posted in another thread.

Let us look at what Trump is most likely to do if he wins the election.

1. He will push is "Immunity advantage" to the full extent. He will consider himself above the law. All other actions and decisions will be anchored by this single position.
2. He will have no controls and vestige of due process in appointing staff / positions. His family will become free agents. He will use Manafort, Bannon, Guiliani, Roger Stone etc. blatantly
3. He will use his executive orders to attack the press
4. He will issue executive orders to the military to act on his behalf
5. He will shakedown large corporations and foreign countries to enrich himself, just like he did with Qtar and China.
6. He will implement Project 2025 in its most extreme and vulgar form.
7. He will openly assist Putin to control Ukraine

I am sure he will do a lot more. Lots of articles on the web.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...1hPZQ08&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...r4ytL4J&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...86Wdi6z&opi=89978449

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Originally posted by crbutler:
It’s close because both sides are trying to hold the country hostage to their fringe ideology.

The right is pointing at the stupidities of the left and asking the rest of us if we want that. The left is pointing at the failures of the right and telling us we don’t want that.

Where is the box on the ballot that says neither is acceptable?

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Doc

You are totally WRONG. The Democrats are not a "fringe ideology". The Harris platform is very similar to Ronald Raegan's.

Since Carl Rove started pushing the GOP to the right, you have had the kooks take over. QAnon, Britebart, Proud Boys etc. are now main stream GOP. They are not even the fringe!

See below what I posted in another thread.

Let us look at what Trump is most likely to do if he wins the election.

1. He will push is "Immunity advantage" to the full extent. He will consider himself above the law. All other actions and decisions will be anchored by this single position.
2. He will have no controls and vestige of due process in appointing staff / positions. His family will become free agents. He will use Manafort, Bannon, Guiliani, Roger Stone etc. blatantly
3. He will use his executive orders to attack the press
4. He will issue executive orders to the military to act on his behalf
5. He will shakedown large corporations and foreign countries to enrich himself, just like he did with Qtar and China.
6. He will implement Project 2025 in its most extreme and vulgar form.
7. He will openly assist Putin to control Ukraine

I am sure he will do a lot more. Lots of articles on the web.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...1hPZQ08&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...r4ytL4J&opi=89978449

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...86Wdi6z&opi=89978449

And the shrieking, grunting baboon reappears.

M.E., do you really wonder why I refer to Naki as a goon?

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Probably not. I don't argue with Doc or Jtex or Steve, the other Steve, Mike , you, the Jeff's, etc,.... We can exchange ideas, disagree and that's that.

That's why I always read what you post! Agreeing to disagree is what men do!

You are one of the good guys!

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Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Probably not. I don't argue with Doc or Jtex or Steve, the other Steve, Mike , you, the Jeff's, etc,.... We can exchange ideas, disagree and that's that.

That's why I always read what you post! Agreeing to disagree is what men do!

You are one of the good guys!

We probably would agree that we know so little about each other and any of us from what is written here. I think I know M.E., you, Mike and Doc, but the body of work is such a small fragment, I find it impossible to judge or condemn. I think the worst anyone can pin on me is referring to one participant as short and the other as a child. If they can't take that truth, well it seems they have some growing to do.

The Internet is illuminating, but at the same time a dark curtain.

There are many, many people here and around the nation that I have a good relationship with and yet that relationship is 100% devoid of politics. My 87 year old mother is apparently going to vote for Trump this year despite calling him a terrible person a few years ago. My younger brother tattled on Mom this last summer and quoted her as saying Biden is an "asshole".
Mom and I don't discuss it and we go along just fine.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

And the shrieking, grunting baboon reappears.

M.E., do you really wonder why I refer to Naki as a goon?

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I find it impossible to judge or condemn. .

I remember you saying in one of your posts that you don't name call.

You have answered your own question.

I read Naki's posts and most are very well written and thought out, some with broad and astonishing content. He may have name called, but I don't remember it.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:

That's why I always read what you post! Agreeing to disagree is what men do!

You are one of the good guys!

Well, that's the one and only thing JTEX has said that I can agree with.

But still, an endorsement from JTEX? Good Grief!!!

First, he talks about what men do and he is one who throws the most insults and name calling on the forum. Aside from being a fanatic, he's a liar and hypocrite. I have him on ignore and only read his posts when someone quotes him. It just means that he knows how men are supposed to behave, but he does girly/bitch stuff anyway.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
Hundreds of national security officials, ex-Cabinet members, Gold Star families endorse Trump

Lane, you say you are a scientific, fact orientated analytical person.

Your post is about former cabinet members (and others) endorsing trump - but what that post shows us is that many of his former cabinet didn't endorse him. If you were thinking about this objectively the fact that many people who he selected, and who know the mans character in far greater depth than you or I as they have worked with him, people who are politically of his persuasion, chose not to endorse him including his previous VP, should be the thing which you take away from that list.

That list should be a red flag if you had thought about it, its certainly not a positive!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

And the shrieking, grunting baboon reappears.

M.E., do you really wonder why I refer to Naki as a goon?

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Originally posted by Scott King:
I find it impossible to judge or condemn. .

I remember you saying in one of your posts that you don't name call.

You have answered your own question.

I read Naki's posts and most are very well written and thought out, some with broad and astonishing content. He may have name called, but I don't remember it.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

That's why I always read what you post! Agreeing to disagree is what men do!

You are one of the good guys!

Well, that's the one and only thing JTEX has said that I can agree with.

But still, an endorsement from JTEX? Good Grief!!!

First, he talks about what men do and he is one who throws the most insults and name calling on the forum. Aside from being a fanatic, he's a liar and hypocrite. I have him on ignore and only read his posts when someone quotes him. It just means that he knows how men are supposed to behave, but he does girly/bitch stuff anyway.

I don't believe you are one that should mind the variable behavior in others.

As far a Jtex is concerned, "fanatic" is in the eye of the beholder, I'm not familiar with any dishonesty in him and I believe he's been very faithful in his beliefs. The three of us know I don't always agree with him, but I consider him very dependable in his opinions and priorities.

M.E., you like to poke and fight as much as anybody here, that you get it back shouldn't be surprising. Name calling is not something you've been above.

Its something Ive said before, But an opinion I feel is correct.
Straight out name calling or telling someone to go fuck themselves etc, Is often a sign of honest frustration, anger etc. Its passive aggressive insults and comments designed to create negative emotions without seeming to cross a line, that are the worst impactors. They are very hard to deal with, and a sign of dishonesty in my opinion.
The intent behind a posters contribution also. Thier history and the picture they have built are also valuable indicators.
ME for example, you might occasionally support him on the surface, but in that regard I see very few of you jump in to agree on individual posts.
I have a theory thats because at some level you/we all recognise that and dont wish to be associated with such a rabbit hole.

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M.E., you like to poke and fight as much as anybody here, that you get it back shouldn't be surprising. Name calling is not something you've been above.

Speaking of passive aggressive - hummm

I think I've been insulted with a sly false equivalence, somehow.

I reserve name calling for a select few. I prefer descriptive terms. Yea, yea, I realize goon is descriptive.

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Originally posted by shankspony:

I have a theory thats because at some level you/we all recognise that and dont wish to be associated with such a rabbit hole.

Just because you got burned a time or two isn't really an indicator of my general attitude.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

As far a Jtex is concerned, "fanatic" is in the eye of the beholder, ... but I consider him very dependable in his opinions and priorities.

M.E., you like to poke and fight as much as anybody here, that you get it back shouldn't be surprising. Name calling is not something you've been above.

Fanatics are dependable.

I got an invite to dinner recently where there were several bikers in attendance. One in particular was interesting, because he didn't say much. I didn't want to judge him and make the mistake that he was just stupid. Of course I avoided politics in the conversations. But someone else brought it up. Then he lit up. I don't recall everything but the topic was Democracy. He was explaining to a 14 year-old girl who had recently earned scholarships, as an athlete and academically. He said Americans just like to argue. It's all just part of it. He is correct. I thought of this forum when he said that.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

I have a theory thats because at some level you/we all recognise that and dont wish to be associated with such a rabbit hole.

Just because you got burned a time or two isn't really an indicator of my general attitude.

Thats an interesting deflection. What is your attitude?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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M.E., you like to poke and fight as much as anybody here, that you get it back shouldn't be surprising. Name calling is not something you've been above.

Speaking of passive aggressive - hummm

I think I've been insulted with a sly false equivalence, somehow.

I reserve name calling for a select few. I prefer descriptive terms. Yea, yea, I realize goon is descriptive.

If you were insulted it's because you took offense, not because I gave offense.

I no more or less offered my opinion that you give and you get. In our conversations you and I have chosen not to and I think that suits us well. In your conversations with Jtex you are happy to sling barbs and he's happy to meet the challenge.

In Naki's case, I and it seems the majority here are comfortable dismissing and distaining him. Naki insists on shrill, shrieking ignorance and I'm just not interested. I throw the occasional barb to him and not much else. For those I appreciate like you and Mitchell I think I'm generally respectful or at least some kind of polite.