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Webster’s:
nationalist

noun
na·​tion·​al·​ist ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-list
plural nationalists
Synonyms of nationalist
1
: an advocate of or believer in nationalism


nationalism
noun
na·​tion·​al·​ism ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-ˌli-zəm
Synonyms of nationalism
1
: loyalty and devotion to a nation

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Originally posted by MJines:
You tend to think in very simplistic terms. It is not Nationalism, Christianity, etc. as concepts that are inherently bad or evil. It is the perversion of those concepts by a fragment of the population that is evil. Christian values are not per se evil, but attempts by Christians to impose their values on everyone else regardless of their beliefs is evil. Nationalism is not per se evil, but justifying racism and other evils in the name of Nationalism is evil. You may enjoy thinking of yourself as a moderate, but there is little moderate or Libertarian in your actual views.

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Originally posted by MJines:
You tend to think in very simplistic terms.

Keeping things as simple as possible is an admirable trait. No need to kill a cockroach with a .500 NE when stepping on it with your boot will do. The simplest most straightforward surgical approach to correcting a fracture is usually the most rewarding.

It is not Nationalism, Christianity, etc. as concepts that are inherently bad or evil.

Exactly!

It is the perversion of those concepts by a fragment of the population that is evil. Christian values are not per se evil, but attempts by Christians to impose their values on everyone else regardless of their beliefs is evil.

Let’s run with this statement. And let’s not go back to the Crusades. Tell me what “evil” comes from this!?

Nationalism is not per se evil, but justifying racism and other evils in the name of Nationalism is evil.

You don’t have to do or condone those bad things to be a Nationalist do you? That is like saying I like money so I must be a bank robber.

You may enjoy thinking of yourself as a moderate, but there is little moderate or Libertarian in your actual views.

I can see the argument against me as a moderate but in the context of my neck or the woods and how I was raised…I am moderate. In the context of the population of the USA I am right-winged for sure. I don’t see me as far right as I know many way further right than I.

That said…as to being Libertarian…I challenge you or Joshua or anyone to point out where I am not.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

That said…as to being Libertarian…I challenge you or Joshua or anyone to point out where I am not.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Einstein please point out where I said extremism from one side is okay but evil from the other side. Too many binary thinkers here.

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Originally posted by MJines: you disingenuously argue that your “libertarian” beliefs make it okay to seek to impose your views, for example, on religion and abortion, on others.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Webster’s:
lib·er·tar·i·an
/ˌlibərˈterēən/
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noun
1.
an advocate or supporter of a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.
"no true libertarian would ever support a culture where citizens must show their papers to travel"
2.
a person who advocates civil liberty.

I believe that fits my beliefs to the core.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Now, back to the OP. Are there any Americans here who do NOT have “loyalty and devotion to a nation” — the USA.

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Originally posted by pointblank:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Einstein please point out where I said extremism from one side is okay but evil from the other side. Too many binary thinkers here.

My view is that the biggest problem this country has, is the loss of the moral fabric, that once held us together. I’m not particularly religious, but I was raised Christian, and I remember Sunday school, and the sermons of our Minister, and all of it was geared to “treat your neighbor, as you would want to be treated). I'm 52 now, and I’ve witnessed the complete moral decline of a nation, brought by the Left. The left has taken over the education system, and pushes no consequences for actions, as well as the normalization of abnormal acts/behaviors. This is the evil that brings us mass shootings, as well as the daily killing throughout inner cities. While yes, there a few whackos in every fringe group, Democrats are not a fringe group, and they represent the biggest threat to humanity.

Edit: I don’t believe all Democrats are evil, but they all enable this moral decay im speaking of.

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Originally posted by pointblank:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Einstein please point out where I said extremism from one side is okay but evil from the other side. Too many binary thinkers here.

My view is that the biggest problem this country has, is the loss of the moral fabric, that once held us together. I’m not particularly religious, but I was raised Christian, and I remember Sunday school, and the sermons of our Minister, and all of it was geared to “treat your neighbor, as you would want to be treated). I'm 52 now, and I’ve witnessed the complete moral decline of a nation, brought by the Left. The left has taken over the education system, and pushes no consequences for actions, as well as the normalization of abnormal acts/behaviors. This is the evil that brings us mass shootings, as well as the daily killing throughout inner cities. While yes, there a few whackos in every fringe group, Democrats are not a fringe group, and they represent the biggest threat to humanity.

Edit: I don’t believe all Democrats are evil, but they all enable this moral decay im speaking of.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

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Originally posted by pointblank:

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Einstein please point out where I said extremism from one side is okay but evil from the other side. Too many binary thinkers here.

My view is that the biggest problem this country has, is the loss of the moral fabric, that once held us together. I’m not particularly religious, but I was raised Christian, and I remember Sunday school, and the sermons of our Minister, and all of it was geared to “treat your neighbor, as you would want to be treated). I'm 52 now, and I’ve witnessed the complete moral decline of a nation, brought by the Left. The left has taken over the education system, and pushes no consequences for actions, as well as the normalization of abnormal acts/behaviors. This is the evil that brings us mass shootings, as well as the daily killing throughout inner cities. While yes, there a few whackos in every fringe group, Democrats are not a fringe group, and they represent the biggest threat to humanity.

Edit: I don’t believe all Democrats are evil, but they all enable this moral decay im speaking of.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

Like, I dunno.....the Nazis?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Nationalism.

Tribalism.

and other Humanisms.

Hummm

https://psmag.com/social-justi...ism-and-scapegoating

WHY WE ENGAGE IN TRIBALISM, NATIONALISM, AND SCAPEGOATING
Robert Sapolsky reveals the biological basis for our most unfortunate traits—and insists change is possible.
TOM JACOBSMAR 5, 2018

Excerpt:

The percentage of people who have friends with different political viewpoints is decreasing. The odds of you marrying someone with a different political orientation are also down. I think that reflects the ways in which social media, etc. have made this such a polarizing atmosphere.

We do our worst when we're surrounded by a lot of people who agree with us. For example, devout religious belief is not a predictor of extremism. Devout religious observance isn't either. But devout religious observance in a group setting is. Studies show that support for terrorism in majority Muslim countries is unrelated to how often you pray, or how devout you are about food prohibitions. But it is related to how often you pray in a mosque. The same is also true of right-wing Jewish extremists in Israel. When sacred values are re-affirmed in groups—that's when things get scary.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

Like, I dunno.....the Nazis?

Mike,
Your post makes no sense.

But I ask do you exhibit loyalty and devotion to a nation?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

Like, I dunno.....the Nazis?

Mike,
Your post makes no sense.

But I ask do you exhibit loyalty and devotion to a nation?

My post makes perfect sense. What on earth do you think it was that allowed Hitler to take power in Germany? Maybe the extreme form of German Nationalism that he advocated?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

Like, I dunno.....the Nazis?

Mike,
Your post makes no sense.

But I ask do you exhibit loyalty and devotion to a nation?

My post makes perfect sense. What on earth do you think it was that allowed Hitler to take power in Germany? Maybe the extreme form of German Nationalism that he advocated?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
As I just showed, your definition is incomplete.

I suspect you know that.

My definition was not incomplete.

The addendum does not negate the fact that one who exhibits/feels “loyalty and devotion to a nation” is defined as a Nationalist in the purest form — which is my intent.

Like, I dunno.....the Nazis?

Mike,
Your post makes no sense.

But I ask do you exhibit loyalty and devotion to a nation?

My post makes perfect sense. What on earth do you think it was that allowed Hitler to take power in Germany? Maybe the extreme form of German Nationalism that he advocated?

Mike you need to remember that Lane sees everything through his ideology tinted lens. Everyone understood your reference, he choses to just ignore it. What was Nazi an acronym for, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte. Key tenets of the party were xenophobia and nationalism. The notion that too much of anything is a bad thing seems to be a concept lost on Lane.

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A lot of leftists are nationalistic, but want something different as far as policy, and if they are not being fulfilled, claim that the country is betraying them. That doesn’t change their nationalism, just dislike of the current order.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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A lot of leftists are nationalistic, but want something different as far as policy, and if they are not being fulfilled, claim that the country is betraying them. That doesn’t change their nationalism, just dislike of the current order.

100%^^^

The vast majority of the US population are nationalists — vast majority.

No a single US citizen here has yet dared to say they are not loyal and devoted to the USA.

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especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Judicial activism GAVE us the RvW ruling. Justice Alito and company merely set it right.

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No more semantic games please.
We all know what someone means when they call someone a nationalist.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Judicial activism GAVE us the RvW ruling. Justice Alito and company merely set it right.