America doesn’t even qualify as a THIRD WORLD country as far as healthcare is concerned!

Texas has been at the bottom of that list for a very long time. Shameful.

Our idiotic Lt. Governor Danny Goeb spends virtually all of his time these days trying to impose a complete ban on THC and CDB products. Wiping out an $8 billion dollar a year industry and putting 55,000 Texans out of work. Pure stupidity.

How can you put a value on pointing his finger and shaking his head at “those people”?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Texas has been at the bottom of that list for a very long time. Shameful.

Our idiotic Lt. Governor Danny Goeb spends virtually all of his time these days trying to impose a complete ban on THC and CDB products. Wiping out an $8 billion dollar a year industry and putting 55,000 Texans out of work. Pure stupidity.

The THC ban is stupid. But, gs, i wonder what key metric drives insurance numbers in Texas... it couldn't be illegals, could it?

Well, since Arizona, New Mexico, California all have plenty of those illegals, maybe not. Every state around Texas is better off. Seems to me most of the problem is in red states. Does Alaska have a big illegals problem? Wyoming? Indiana? & others?

Simple has a good point.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Well, since Arizona, New Mexico, California all have plenty of those illegals, maybe not. Every state around Texas is better off. Seems to me most of the problem is in red states. Does Alaska have a big illegals problem? Wyoming? Indiana? & others?

That's a perspective from 1500 miles away. California has cali med or something. Like that, for illegals too. Texas doesn't break federal law by providing benefits to illegals, with federal funds

Texas is awful y'all fine upstanding leftards stay away! Please, please, please stay away!!!!!

Yeah, where a woman with a dying fetus in her will be sent home to bleed out and become sterile.

Texas, yeeehaw.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Well, since Arizona, New Mexico, California all have plenty of those illegals, maybe not. Every state around Texas is better off. Seems to me most of the problem is in red states. Does Alaska have a big illegals problem? Wyoming? Indiana? & others?

That's a perspective from 1500 miles away. California has cali med or something. Like that, for illegals too. Texas doesn't break federal law by providing benefits to illegals, with federal funds

What does Arizona do? Your assumption has not been supported.

You may be right, but you have not made an actual argument.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by wymple:
Well, since Arizona, New Mexico, California all have plenty of those illegals, maybe not. Every state around Texas is better off. Seems to me most of the problem is in red states. Does Alaska have a big illegals problem? Wyoming? Indiana? & others?

That's a perspective from 1500 miles away. California has cali med or something. Like that, for illegals too. Texas doesn't break federal law by providing benefits to illegals, with federal funds

What does Arizona do? Your assumption has not been supported.

You may be right, but you have not made an actual argument.

Texas has rhe longest border with Mexico, everywhere else is either a wasteland or Baja. 12 million legal, snd the majority of illegals come through Texas. Cold hard facts don't require explanation. If YOU care, I bet Google works on your phone too.

Calmed is running in the billions in deficit because they offer to illegals.

Charity begins at home

There are likely more illegals with 2 miles of me than are in KY, which I think runs 0.6% Hispanic for the entire state.

Az is entirely a desert at the birder and for a goodly ways in to boot.

And dummy that's spent time in any of these places can look by eyeball mark 1 to see the differences... plain as the nose on your face

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by wymple:
Well, since Arizona, New Mexico, California all have plenty of those illegals, maybe not. Every state around Texas is better off. Seems to me most of the problem is in red states. Does Alaska have a big illegals problem? Wyoming? Indiana? & others?

That's a perspective from 1500 miles away. California has cali med or something. Like that, for illegals too. Texas doesn't break federal law by providing benefits to illegals, with federal funds

What does Arizona do? Your assumption has not been supported.

You may be right, but you have not made an actual argument.

Texas has rhe longest border with Mexico, everywhere else is either a wasteland or Baja. 12 million legal, snd the majority of illegals come through Texas. Cold hard facts don't require explanation. If YOU care, I bet Google works on your phone too.

Calmed is running in the billions in deficit because they offer to illegals.

Charity begins at home

There are likely more illegals with 2 miles of me than are in KY, which I think runs 0.6% Hispanic for the entire state.

Az is entirely a desert at the birder and for a goodly ways in to boot.

And dummy that's spent time in any of these places can look by eyeball mark 1 to see the differences... plain as the nose on your face

You're right. Fuck all those illegals who come here to work. If they get sick or hurt on the job, fuck them. No matter that they put in an honest day's work for some shit job. Fuck 'em.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Texas is awful y'all fine upstanding leftards stay away! Please, please, please stay away!!!!!

Well, sure, if you say so.

I had this dreadful longing to go to Texas...until you said you don't want me.

Now I'll stay home. Or go to Hawaii for my vacation.

The Texas Medical Association refers to uninsured “Texans” which strongly implies citizenship.

https://www.texmed.org/TexasMe...Detail.aspx?id=49562

Also from the Texas Medical Association:


Who Are the Uninsured in Texas?
The uninsured are a diverse group that includes people who cannot afford private health insurance; who work in small businesses that do not offer insurance; who simply choose not to purchase health insurance, even though they can afford it; who are eligible-but not enrolled-in government sponsored programs such as Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Plan (CHIP); and recent immigrants.

According to a summary of national data by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), groups with a high likelihood of lacking health insurance include:

People in families with income below 200 percent of the poverty level;
Hispanics;
Young adults, age 19 to 34;
People in families in which the adults worked either part-time or only part of the year; or
Individuals in fair or poor health status who are significantly more likely than others to be uninsured for longer periods.

Texas workers are less likely to have employment-based health insurance coverage than those in other states. 50 percent of all companies in the US offer health coverage for their employees.The 2017 stats show the U.S. average for employment based health insurance is 46.8, compared to 49.4% in Texas. The Kaiser Family Foundation reports 89 percent of the uninsured in Texas have at least one family member who works either full-time or part-time in 2017.

The average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance in 2017 was $6,715 for single coverage and $19,565 for family coverage. The average annual worker contribution in 2017 was $1,427 for single coverage and $5,431 for family coverage. For family coverage, the worker contribution increased 204% ($1,787 to $5,431) from 2001 to 2017. Workers in small firms (3–199 workers) have lower average contributions for single coverage than workers in larger firms ($1,035 vs. $1,330), but contribute significantly more for family coverage ($7,805 vs. $5,271).

People making moderate and low wages are much less likely to have job-based health insurance coverage than those earning more. In Texas, an average of 47 percent of uninsured adults had incomes below 100 percent of the federal poverty in 2014.

Again, the above implies it ain’t majority illegals as it identifies families with one full time employed parent.

A comparison between the 4 most populace states:

https://www.texmed.org/Template.aspx?id=42282

This is the best statement I can find on uninsured, undocumented persons in Texas:

Health Insurance Coverage Among Special Populations in Texas
Health Insurance Coverage in Relation to Race and Ethnicity

Disparities based on race and ethnicity also exist. People of racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to go without health insurance than whites. In Texas, 29 percent of Hispanics/Latinos were uninsured, compared to 12 percent of whites.

Uninsured Among Non-Citizens in Texas

In Texas, non-citizens are almost three times as likely to be uninsured as native U.S. citizens. Immigrants, many of whom are Hispanics, often work in economic sectors less likely to offer health insurance than others, such as construction.

Foreign Born Residents and Non Citizens in Relation to Uninsured Population

Non-citizens are almost three times as likely to be uninsured as are native US citizens. Over 45 percent of undocumented immigrants went without insurance in 2018, compared to 10 percent of US native citizens and 23 percent of lawfully documented immigrants. In Texas, over 30 percent of the uninsured are non-citizens.

Again, this is from the Texas Medical Association. Texas has a lot of undocumented , uninsured folks, a lot of lower educated uninsured citizens, a lot of low income/poverty citizens in general, and a lot of poverty folks uninsured.

40% OF UNINSURED HISPANIC TEXANS ARE U.S. CITIZENS in Texas.


https://comptroller.texas.gov/...20/oct/uninsured.php

It is multifaceted.

Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

In civilized countries health insurance is provided to all employees!

At no cost to them!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

In civilized countries health insurance is provided to all employees!

At no cost to them!

From what I know as far as the EU is concerned, a mandatory contribution towards pension and health insurance is deducted monthly from your wages.

It goes without saying that medical cover when needed will be catered for by the National Health Service at no cost though wait-listed except for emergency situations.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

In civilized countries health insurance is provided to all employees!

At no cost to them!

From what I know as far as the EU is concerned, a mandatory contribution towards pension and health insurance is deducted monthly from your wages.

It goes without saying that medical cover when needed will be catered for by the National Health Service at no cost though wait-listed except for emergency situations.

I was talking about the UAE.

Health insurance is mandatory for all employees.

Citizens get free health treatment regardless.

But most do carry insurance.

Search on: US ranking in healthcare in the world

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AI Overview:

According to the 2023 Commonwealth Fund International Health Policy Survey, the United States ranks 11th out of 11 high-income countries in overall healthcare system performance.

Here are some additional details:

Life expectancy: The US ranks 34th out of 39 high-income countries.

Preventable deaths:
The US has the highest rate of preventable deaths among high-income countries.

Access to care:
The US ranks 10th out of 11 countries.

Quality of care:
The US ranks 6th out of 11 countries.

Efficiency:
The US ranks last out of 11 countries.

It's important to note that these rankings can vary depending on the specific measures used and the sources consulted.

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The United States consistently ranks near the bottom or last in healthcare system performance comparisons among high-income countries. Studies by organizations like the Commonwealth Fund often find the US ranking last or near last on various measures, including access to care, health outcomes, and efficiency.

Here's a more detailed look at the US's ranking:

Overall:
The US has been ranked last or near last overall in health system performance comparisons.

Access to Care:
The US often ranks last on access to care, with Americans facing barriers to accessing and affording healthcare.

Health Outcomes:
The US also struggles with health outcomes, including shorter life expectancy and higher rates of avoidable deaths.

Efficiency:
The US ranks poorly on administrative efficiency, with issues related to insurance approvals and billing.

Equity:
The US has been found to have disparities in how people with various incomes and from different backgrounds access and experience healthcare.

Quality:
While some studies have found the US to perform well on certain aspects of quality (like patient-centered care), it still lags behind other developed nations in areas like pandemic preparedness and infrastructure.

Cost:
The US spends significantly more on healthcare per capita than other high-income countries, yet doesn't necessarily get better outcomes for that investment.

Sheikh Saeed,

If healthcare there is so much better than in the U.S., then why is it that royalty from the Gulf States fly in their private jets to America to be treated at Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins?


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Originally posted by JTEX:
Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

Yup, just run to anecdotal BS. Yeah, but.....I knew a guy.....

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Sheikh Saeed,

If healthcare there is so much better than in the U.S., then why is it that royalty from the Gulf States fly their private jets to America to be treated at Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins?


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Because for them money is not an issue. Not rocket science.

I asked about the care.

Not the insurance.

Try to keep up, Professor von Braun...


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Originally posted by Saeed:
America doesn’t even qualify as a THIRD WORLD country as far as healthcare is concerned!

For Professor von Braun's edification.


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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Odd that.

All my adult life I never had a job that didn't provide availability to health insurance.....in Texas......blue collar....

When I was an employer I offered health insurance with small employee participation. Many chose not to participate.....

Yup, just run to anecdotal BS. Yeah, but.....I knew a guy.....

And yet the discussion is about Texas, and your college roommates ex girlfri3nds dogs human uncles ex wife's opinion is gold to you.

You are a joke.. go back to your coffee clutch

Anyone who thinks government provided health insurance or care is free needs to go back to school.

Probably starting at grade school.

There are lots of reasons why US healthcare results are so poor, and while funding is a part of it, I wouldn’t say it’s the #1 reason.

At a rudimentary level, it's not free if your neighbors are paying for it.


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And.....no one, not even friggen illegals go without healthcare in Texas.....

Well that is not true. They use the WR for stabilizing care, beyond that they do not.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Anyone who thinks government provided health insurance or care is free needs to go back to school.

Probably starting at grade school.

There are lots of reasons why US healthcare results are so poor, and while funding is a part of it, I wouldn’t say it’s the #1 reason.

No one is saying anything about free. We are saying that a large percentage of Texas uninsured encompasses more than illegals.

Some are saying as a policy, Texas needs to find away to ensure folks.

Only on AR land is mass uninsured considered acceptable from a policy stand point.

Simply being insured is not the be all and end all. Insurance that does not pay for anything is worthless. Look at Medicare. It pays for very little. That is why we see older folks working to obtain employer funded insurance, but not violate SS caps, or pay for supplemental insurance.

I can't even imagine the national health care system or health insurance GOPers would force on the country if they weren't constrained.

And they apparently can't imagine it either since they haven't shown a comprehensive plan.

All they do is fuck up anything constructive.

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And.....no one, not even friggen illegals go without healthcare in Texas.....

they go to "county" hospitals ER rooms - can see it everywhere -

oh, Joshua, please don't speak of things you have never experienced - While they do not get PCA ongoing care, they ABSOLUTELY come back, repeatedly, for the same illness, that they would go to primary care for, had they insurance. They come back, wait, and are eventually seen -- broken arm, wellness checks, cast removal - kids in 2-3 times for the same cold or other illness - and hundreds of millions of unpaid bills - You have NEVER been inside a county ER in Texas, you have no basis for your thought, which i won't dignify with the description of opinion

"find a way to insure folks" - it's a bit early to be drinking - it's ILLEGAL to provide medicaid/medicare to illegals with federal money - but not cal-med

sure, we can assume there is a large, but not majority, % of Citizens without insurance - but we don't have that data - Jim outlined cases where people that COULD afford it, don't buy it -- Hint, until obamacare, having insurance was OPTIONAL and MANY MANY MANY young, healthy people don't buy healthcare insurance -- that's why there's a MANDATE for them to do so, to FUND the services of those consuming them....

the young folks (say unmarried and under 30) only buy "high deductible" plans at work, and that has only changed since it was MANDATED by a "tax" "where do you get those numbers" the last couple companies i've been at, I've been part of the benefits package selection team -- i done seent the numbers

of course, being without insurance doesn't MEAN being without healthcare, even though there's a crisis of rural hospitals and clinics shutting down, especially after being bought by for profit healthcare providers. Rural people, and I expect it's the same in KY, don't tend to buy healthcare insurance if they aren't FORCED BY LAW to do so. until I married, i never bought company insurance, and when i got married, we were pretty broke AND i was still in school, which meant 3-4 months of each half year, i wasn't "conventionally" working - and *I* used the ER for healthcare for the kids, and applied for medicaid and paid it all back, while i was in school trying to learn more to earn more

then there are the inner city poor --- they compete for ER space with the illegals, and are equally likely to pay the bill

but, just to be clear, there are MORE illegals in Texas than there are people in KY -- remember me trying to convince you that the housing starts you see in KY aren't even 5% of Texas -- you can't understand the scope without seeing it, as humans are horrible at estimation. houston, dallas, dallas/fort worth, and Austin/San Antonio ALL have more people in the metros than the state of KY -

Look at a map -- and zoom in on roads and trains, to figure out why Texas is the passthrough state for illegals - even West Texas is inhospitable, and it only gets worse the more west you go, which is why Texas PoE and nearby areas are overwhelmed, THEN the illegals move into the country-- there's next to no roads in the desserts of Mexico

but, illegals 100% break the law anyway, why would they suddenly change to comply with obamacare, as they don't file insurance, anyway?

immigrants are always the problem ... trump is from germany and musk from south africa ... i can bet the followers of the cult of the supreme leader has no problem with that lol

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
I asked about the care.

Not the insurance.

Try to keep up, Professor von Braun...


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As if there is no connection.