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Originally posted by ledvm:
All the women I know well enough to know there politics…are pro-life.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All the women I know well enough to know there politics…are pro-life.

It is not "pro-life" to force a woman to carry an unviable pregnancy at the risk of her life and reproductive future.

It's merely pro-control.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All the women I know well enough to know there politics…are pro-life.

It is not "pro-life" to force a woman to carry an unviable pregnancy at the risk of her life and reproductive future.

It's merely pro-control.

As I have said…I am for carve-outs.

16000 in 5 months in Texas was legal murder.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My mother, life-long public servant as a public school teacher/school librarian is the most ardent pro-life person I know. All, my mother in-law, wife, sister (recently deceased) and daughter are all pro-life.

I employ >25 less than 40 females. While we try to not discuss politics in the work environment…it comes up occasionally with the ones in management. They are all pro-life to some extent.

Tonight I will be traveling to McKinney to a party at Rick’s Chophouse hosted by our corporate law firm out of Dallas. It is woman-lawyer heavy. They are a noted (professionally) pro-life.

In my experience…TX and OK women are weighted to the pro-life side.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I am for protecting the rights of the most innocent form of human life that exists.

Granting the freedom to live…is libertarian.

The right to live (not be killed) is the greatest liberty I know of. How about you?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My mother, life-long public servant as a public school teacher/school librarian is the most ardent pro-life person I know. All, my mother in-law, wife, sister (recently deceased) and daughter are all pro-life.

I employ >25 less than 40 females. While we try to not discuss politics in the work environment…it comes up occasionally with the ones in management. They are all pro-life to some extent.

Tonight I will be traveling to McKinney to a party at Rick’s Chophouse hosted by our corporate law firm out of Dallas. It is woman-lawyer heavy. They are a noted (professionally) pro-life.

In my experience…TX and OK women are weighted to the pro-life side.

. . . ask them at your dinner tonight if Kate Cox should be forced to carry a fetus with trisomy 18 to term.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I am for protecting the rights of the most innocent form of human life that exists.

Granting the freedom to live…is libertarian.

The right to live (not be killed) is the greatest liberty I know of. How about you?

. . . then I presume you oppose any abortion . . . or you’re a hypocrite. I’ll bet it is the latter.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I am for protecting the rights of the most innocent form of human life that exists.

Granting the freedom to live…is libertarian.

The right to live (not be killed) is the greatest liberty I know of. How about you?

. . . then I presume you oppose any abortion . . . or you’re a hypocrite. I’ll bet it is the latter.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I am for protecting the rights of the most innocent form of human life that exists.

Granting the freedom to live…is libertarian.

The right to live (not be killed) is the greatest liberty I know of. How about you?

. . . then I presume you oppose any abortion . . . or you’re a hypocrite. I’ll bet it is the latter.

Mike, you know he's not a hypocrite, he has different beliefs than you (have expressed)

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What about this woman’s freedom to live.

I have stated I am for a compromise here. And, I believe the Texas Law carves that out. Does it not?

The exceptions cannot be legislated against. Allowing this level of government interference into an actual human’s life is not libertarian.

Killing innocent humans is definitely not.

He is a hypocrite and a lier.

I am neither. And you’re a POS for calling me a liar. Hope I get the chance to tell you that personally some time.

I sure this woman and the other Texas women who are experiencing this care Dr. Easter has performed horse abortions to give him a sense of right.

“”

I asked him point blank if his religious interpretation should set national policy. He refused to answer. Instead he asked me a series of questions that I answered directly.

And I said anyone voting or setting policy against their religious convictions IS the true hypocrite. Further, I went forth and said I always vote with my commitment to Jesus Christ as the first and foremost factor.

His horse Abortion experience has no relevancy in the conversation of whether the state or the individual woman should make this distinction or what restrictions apply.

And you are the only one dumb enough to ever think I stated that.

I stated that that experience solidly scientifically shows that fetuses resist removal and death once they reach a certain age. And it is FACT that they do.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I have stated I am for a compromise here. And, I believe the Texas Law carves that out. Does it not?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are not okay. You are a very low person.

And now you are so desperate in your attempt at debate that you have resorted to personal attack.

I will take what I have advocated for before minors to deliver children, women sent away from hospitals bleeding only to become sterile, thus women in the thread, or a judge deciding who has been raped enough to qualify for an abortion.

You are a morally bankrupt person.

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You used the example of performing a horse abortion as to why a fetus should have agency. Lier.

Lier is a town in Belgium…If you are going to throw a personal attack…you should at least learn how to spell it correctly.

What I stated was that fetuses want to live and try to survive and my experience has validated that. As innocent humans…they deserve agency. To say that an innocent human doesn’t deserve the right to live is depraved. No lies on my part.

Go call some more gay people abominations and marriage equality a defect to the country.

I am glad a person like you would cuss me.

I told you when you started calling gay people abominations, I do not drink a people like you.

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Go support another indicted politician. Morally bankrupt in display.

I don’t support Trump. I plan to vote for the second most viable (R) candidate in the primary. Any sane individual would do whatever it takes to oppose Democratic executive control in the General. Thus, if Trump is the GOP candidate…he will get my vote and support once he is nominated. Plenty…again PLENTY of politicians on both sides who are not good people…I would venture to say the majority. I vote policy.

You only associate (socially…correct) and have value to people (Wrong as usual…ALL people are God’s children and have equal value to him. I do my best to do “right” by all.) like you.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

I have stated I am for a compromise here. And, I believe the Texas Law carves that out. Does it not?

You need to read the Texas law before you comment on it. There is not even an exception for rape or incest.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are not okay. You are a very low person.


You are a morally bankrupt person.



You only associate and have value to people like you.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . find it yourself and read it. Or continue to comment on it knowing nothing about it.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So Mike…did the Texas SCOTUS get it wrong?

. . . the legislature got it wrong.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So Mike…did the Texas SCOTUS get it wrong?

. . . the legislature got it wrong.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
So Mike…did the Texas SCOTUS get it wrong?

. . . the legislature got it wrong.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
My mother, life-long public servant as a public school teacher/school librarian is the most ardent pro-life person I know. All, my mother in-law, wife, sister (recently deceased) and daughter are all pro-life.

I employ >25 less than 40 females. While we try to not discuss politics in the work environment…it comes up occasionally with the ones in management. They are all pro-life to some extent.

Tonight I will be traveling to McKinney to a party at Rick’s Chophouse hosted by our corporate law firm out of Dallas. It is woman-lawyer heavy. They are a noted (professionally) pro-life.

In my experience…TX and OK women are weighted to the pro-life side.

. . . ask them at your dinner tonight if Kate Cox should be forced to carry a fetus with trisomy 18 to term.

I won’t bring it up. But knowing this group for years and having been at many of their functions…it may come up. If it does…I will report.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and another can of worms

the people that are one way on abortion, but the other way on the death penalty - in that both are legal termination of a human life

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
You are not okay. You are a very low person.


You are a morally bankrupt person.



You only associate and have value to people like you.

pretty unnecessary, over-the-top ad homme approach.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and another can of worms

the people that are one way on abortion, but the other way on the death penalty - in that both are legal termination of a human life

One is guilty of heinous sin and one is the purest most innocent human life in existence.

I personally see a stark difference.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let’s approach the issue another way. Forget about the Texas law. Just as a matter of individual choice, should a pregnant woman carrying a fetus with trisomy 18 . . . a defect where studies have shown that only 50% of babies who are carried to term will be born alive and the median of survival among live births has varied between 2.5 and 14.5 days and where about 90% - 95% of babies do not survive beyond the first year . . . be legally prohibited from exercising her own judgment to terminate such a pregnancy?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and another can of worms

the people that are one way on abortion, but the other way on the death penalty - in that both are legal termination of a human life

One is guilty of heinous sin and one is the purest most innocent human life in existence.

I personally see a stark difference.

and yet one of those can exist outside it's host, and the, not so much. I do respect you, but I think we are wrong on this one. IIRC< something like 80% of all human pregnancies result in spontaneous abortions - it's been a minute since bio for bio majors, and I could be wrong in the %

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Originally posted by MJines:
Let’s approach the issue another way. Forget about the Texas law. Just as a matter of individual choice, should a pregnant woman carrying a fetus with trisomy 18 . . . a defect where studies have shown that only 50% of babies who are carried to term will be born alive and the median of survival among live births has varied between 2.5 and 14.5 days and where about 90% - 95% of babies do not survive beyond the first year . . . be legally prohibited from exercising her own judgment to terminate such a pregnancy?

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The religious zealots are against abortion.

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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The religious zealots are against abortion.

i approach this from a scientific humanist
ideology
either “ it” the zygote (fertilized egg)
has unique human DNA and is therefore human
or it is not

if “it” is human
“it” has the same inalienable ( unalienable) rights as does any other “human”