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I disagree that availability has not changed, AR's and AWs were virtually unheard of in the 1980's and 90's, the AWB was lifted and now 10's of millions of them are out there. These are the guns that mass shooters choose. One thing that has changed is the militarization of our gun culture, no question about that. Go to a gunshow and what do you see? Nothing but black guns, camo and jerky. I think AR's and AW's need much tighter regulation but should not be banned. An inconvenience? Certainly, but so are many things in life. Would it stop the crimes? Hard to say but it is easy to see that mass shootings do not take place with guns that are more strictly regulated, like class 3 firearms. You feel tighter restrictions on AR's are an inconvenience, I feel all the other regulations the left was able to pass because of AR's is a much bigger inconvenience. We now have a state firearms licensing department in Colorado meaning I need a state license in addition to an FFL, a three day wait, secure storage requirements etc. None of which would have been politically possible without the massive numbers of AR's in circulation. | |||
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Or…we could just quit voting for the morons that pass these bills into law. Vote for zero Democrats. Then, vet your GOP candidates well before voting in the Primary.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I hate to point out the obvious, but the Dems and gun control are making strong progress on a state level, this is only happening BECAUSE of increased numbers of military style guns on the market. Had the AWB not been lifted, the Dems could not have passed the restrictions that they have. | |||
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It is not happening in Texas or Oklahoma so I could take the same stance as you ARs in general…but I don’t. I try to help (R)s everywhere defeat (D)s. Always vote for the candidate who can defeat a Democrat…every chance you get. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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There were M1 carbines all over the place. How are AR’s fundamentally different than them- and they were the hot range toy for a long time. I call the new laws inconveniences because they don’t work for reducing violence. Strange that you mention all the AR’s that sold once the ban went away… not like banning them didn’t cause your listed problem? Has gun culture militarized? I’m not so sure of that. I remember my dad talking about all the WWII stuff that his friends brought at them. Fundamentally the culture has changed to a more selfish and entitled one. How and why it has, who can say for sure, but the cultural shift of the country as a whole is the root cause of the problem. Firearms were more available, and magazine fed intermediate cartridge weapons were out there before the mass shooting craze. | |||
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. . . an absolutely asinine comment. Mike | |||
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Really? Because from what folks older than me say it always was kind of. Gas masks, bayonets, uniforms, holsters, rucksacks, etc. it’s just you see more of the younger generation at these now… and the pressure on gun show loopholes probably has something to do with fewer regular firearms on offer.
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Did you ever attend a gunshow before y2k? and now? Do you see a difference? I do. How about the stories featured in gun magazines ? In the 80's and 90's you read about far more sporting arms than you do today. Or the offerings from major manufacturers? Did Winchester, Ruger or Remington make many AR platform or other military style guns in the 90's? Gun culture has most certainly become more militarized in my opinion. | |||
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What it has done is shifted generations. Young folks like modern things. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The market has changed. Adults not born in y2k are buying guns and they like modern ones. Just a fact. Many old vendors from pre y2k are gone. Just another fact. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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10's of millions more of AR's and AW's on the market. Just a fact... | |||
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When John Wayne was making movies we all played "cowboys and Indians" and had plastic toy six guns. When Star Wars came out we all had Light Sabers. After decades of M.E. war and failed ones to boot, Americans all want to emulate Seal Team 6. If "W" would have finished his war in his first term and we'd have gotten back to peace and Americans wouldn't feel this attraction and desire for everything Tactical, including the AR. | |||
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My first centerfire rifle was a South American surplus 93 Mauser in 7 X 57 mm. Military surplus, of course, bought at Western Auto. Added a Williams 5D and went out to hunt. It is still out in the world, somewhere...hopefully not killing humans any longer. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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