The rumor around the Courthouse is Hunter Biden has pled to, 2 Fed Indictments by Information.

It is true
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...b2e78a12eb233aea9631

Pled to 2 misdemeanors.

5 year investigation and.................. 3 MISDEMEANORS!!!!!






mUh jUsTiCe sYsTeM iS sTrOnG.............

I think the plea is too light. The Feds like to hammer folks on Tax charges

The Felony Firearms Charge is getting diverted which means it will be dismissed w prejudice if he stays out of trouble.


The US Attorney is a President Trump appointee.

He has paid millions to resolve the tax issue when the heat came.

Right place

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I think the plea is too light. The Feds like to hammer folks on Tax charges

The Felony Firearms Charge is getting diverted which means it will be dismissed w prejudice if he stays out of trouble.


The US Attorney is a President Trump appointee.

He has paid millions to resolve the tax issue when the heat came.

Right place

Atta boy.

This is just the DOJ slap on the wrist and anyone that pays attention knows that.

Does that mean this shit is done - over?

Or can the Right still get some mileage out of it and the theories, with the help of Russian Assets and such?

The NYT article in the OP needs a subscription to read.

This one doesn't require subscription, only an open mind, and the absence of a Russian Asset agenda:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...9e74a8ea787410&ei=13

Hunter Biden live updates: Plea deal on tax charges potentially ends DOJ probe
18m ago

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Does that mean this shit is done - over?

Or can the Right still get some mileage out of it and the theories, with the help of Russian Assets and such?

Until she can balance the scale, it will NEVER be over lil shilling buddy.

Only the corrupt and imbecilic believe it has in regards to the Bribens.

Here is an interesting take on why DOJ has agreed to divert the gun charge:

His lawyers told Justice Department officials that, if their client is charged with the gun crime, they will challenge the law under the Second Amendment, according to a person familiar with the private discussions granted anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly. That could turn a case that is already fraught with political consequences into a high-profile showdown over the right to bear arms.

I doubt given the last decision the Justice Department wanted to risk the Supreme Court getting another chance to erode firearms laws over the alleged conduct.

The diversion offered fir that reason seems reasonable.

I’m sure Martha Stewart and Leona Helmsley would agree with you.

I am not talking about the tax charges.

I am in record in this thread that the TW desk is too light.

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I think the plea is too light. The Feds like to hammer folks on Tax charges

He hasn't done 1/10 of 1% of what the trumps & Kushner have done, so what's your point?

That doesn't matter though. That argument is the same as the republicans arguing what about the clintons.

To be honest, if the level of circumstantial evidence existed about the son or daughter of an acting NZ prime minister. NZ citizens would make their term untenable and they would be replaced.

Martha Stewart was convicted of, among other things, lying to the FBI. Leona Hemsley was convicted of multiple charges of falsifying documents. While the gun charges could be arguably be challenged as to possession, I’m not sure how you get out of the fact that there’s a deliberate lie on the application. Heck, we know the FBI charges 100 of people a year for lying to them when they’re asking about their acts or whereabouts that are constitutionally protected.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I am not talking about the tax charges lying to Federal investigators.

Leona Helmsley was convicted of multiple counts of falsifying documents (false swearing?).

I am in record in this thread that the TW desk is too light.

I saw that you were in line with most of us that the plea (misdemeanors) was too lenient . I agree. I’m just pointing out that the gun charges had some horsepower behind them and something else must’ve been involved other than a constitutional question.

One country, two justice systems.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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I think the plea is too light. The Feds like to hammer folks on Tax charges

He hasn't done 1/10 of 1% of what the trumps & Kushner have done, so what's your point?

So now we do the "whatabout" dance of the seven veils? OK, then.

We finally get a presidential administration that's "...tough on gun crime...", ready and willing to "...stand up to the NRA...".

And it wimps out. Understandably. There are bigger fish to fry, but the opportunity for an example has passed.

Martha Stewart went down for white collar crime colloquially called insider trading x

Not, a legitimate questionable statute relating to firearms. When the S. Ct., has recently created an untested standard.

I agree, on its face, the tax deal seems to light.

Others are arguing the tax deal is on line. My limited view the Feds like to hammer tax.

The DOJ being concerned of Judicial review of the drug portion of the firearm statute given the last war case is responsible.

MS case is not applicable to the firearm issue presented here.

MS case maybe applicable to the Tax charges.

There was a know African American actor who paid the tax, but still went to prison (Westley Snipes). That case seems more applicable than MS.

Joey in regards to his son “the smartest guy I know”



You libturds expect people to believe you?!!!!!!

I suggest you read my above post. Martha Stewart was convicted of insider trading, but also lying to the government. Leona Helmsley was also.

If Joe was tried solely on the falsification of the certificate issue, would a constitutional right to possess firearms, somehow allow him to live. I’m not so sure.

And those are not compatible to a firearm law that the Government fears creates a test case to strike a fed firearm law following a very pro possession case.

The MS case is not compatible to the Government’s handling of the firearm charge.

He is not accused of lying.

The maximum is to test like cases the same.
If Ms would have went to prison on a Fed Gun Charge, r he was given a break for lying, you would have a point.

That is why I believe the tax deal is too light. That is because I have seen similar folks go to prison.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And those are not compatible to a firearm law that the Government fears creates a test case to strike a fed firearm law following a very pro possession case.

The MS case is not compatible to the Government’s handling of the firearm charge.

He is not accused of lying.

The maximum is to test like cases the same.
If Ms would have went to prison on a Fed Gun Charge, r he was given a break for lying, you would have a point.

That is why I believe the tax deal is too light. That is because I have seen similar folks go to prison.

What exactly is he charge with in regards to the gun?

Suggest you check and see all the grounds of which the ladies were convicted. I may be wrong, but I think you can get convicted of lying on the federal forms without ever getting a gun, a loan or whatever.
As a matter of fact, I think that Mrs. Helmsley was convicteded of lying on forms even though the total amount of taxes paid exceeded what it should have been if honest. She got no credit because of her error in calculations.

If the government wants you, bad enough, you are toast.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
That doesn't matter though. That argument is the same as the republicans arguing what about the clintons.

To be honest, if the level of circumstantial evidence existed about the son or daughter of an acting NZ prime minister. NZ citizens would make their term untenable and they would be replaced.

Your society isn't as polarised as the US. It don't seem to matter what the far left/ right whoever has done, there are to many people who will hold their nose and continue to vote for them as "the end justifies the means/ we are saving our way of life/ insert whatever crap here".

Even though Boris was found to have lied to parliament and was booted out for it there are still some of his supporters who don't think he should have been axed. They just don't seem to grasp that thinking the rules don't apply to you isn't acceptable. Fortunately there are still enough who still have some degree of integrity...

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Suggest you check and see all the grounds of which the ladies were convicted. I may be wrong, but I think you can get convicted of lying on the federal forms without ever getting a gun, a loan or whatever.
As a matter of fact, I think that Mrs. Helmsley was convicteded of lying on forms even though the total amount of taxes paid exceeded what it should have been if honest. She got no credit because of her error in calculations.

If the government wants you, bad enough, you are toast.

She was convicted of income tax evasion. Millions of dollars worth of income tax evasion as I recall.

Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even successfully avoid taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Here is the bottom line. In the United States one does not get to speak a prosecution and crime into existance.

There is an investigative and proseuctorial process. Have folks on both sides tried to short-circuit that process? The answer is certainly. Ultimately, the beuartic checks and balances have worked. We know what Preseint Clinton did in engaging in prejury and directing ML to prejury herself. A deal was cut. I would not have cut it. The Senate let him off. We know what President Nixon did. He resigned and received a Pardon.

In both instances, despite the bad action, the process was followed.

Likewise, we have a 5 year investigatoin into Hunter Biden. The results of that investigation are Tax issues and firearm issue being he possessed a firearm for approximaltey 10 days when as a drug user he is so barred.

President Trump has so been subject. The reults have been a finding of probale cause to multiple felonies concerning his alledged mishandling of classified documents and inentionally misleading investigators concerning those doucementts. Now, he will face trail under the presumption of innocence.

This is how the system is suppose to work. The process and not the reslut. The Government may fail to rip from President Trump the presumption of innocence. The Government may suceeded at trial, but that conviction be void due to procedure issues or Appealate Court interpetation of the Fed. Law that the jury applied the facts to. Under no circumstances will the Fed. Courts reject the factual findings of the Jury. The one exception being that "sufficent evidence does not exists to convience a rational person of guilty." A very high standard.

Five years of investigation are concluded. Other than, folks complaining that it can't be so, we have 2 misdeemnor tax charges and a federal illegal posession of a firearm charge due to his substance abuse. The Governments' concern that a conviction on the Firearm Charge would be invalidated by the Courts of Appeal is vaild given Federal Circuits are invalidating Fedearal possesion crime statues across the United States right now due to the most recent S.Ct. decision.

Again, what I believe to be the facts, and how I believe others so situated have been treated for tax crimes the punishment is too light. However, that is a far cry from "the fix is in." I heard a lawyer with lots of Fed Tax experiance state that misdemnors are not out of the norm for this conduct. Pick who you believe. I am sure someone with equal experience would say not in their experience. That does not mean courrption. That means discreation is always present.

Here is what we can say about Hunter Biden after he has been the subject of much ridicule, poltical attacks, having his personal devices stolen and diseminated, and five years of investiagion:
1) He did not pay tax twice timely;
2) He will pled to two misdemonrs concerning these taxes;
3) He did pay the tax;
4) He possed a firearm illegally due to his status as a drug abuser (when does that end). Instead of test the Consitutionality of the charging statute, he will receive a diverson that will result in a Dismissal with Prejudice provided he performs.

Here is what we know about President Trump when he has been subject to the process:
1) He not only is a lier, but lies to the econimic and personal damage of others.
2) He is a sexual predator.
3) He is indicted and presumed innocent in Federal Court for his handling of classified docuents which centers around his refusal to return along with his attempts to concenl posession.
4) He is indicate and presumed innocent in New York Court for illegal campaign funds and tax issues.
5) His Coroporation has been found guilty of Tax violations.
and
6) He is still being investigated for his alledged conduct in GA and on Jan 6.

Hunter Biden, according the the US Attorney, is still under investigation. We do not know if that relates to this case not being closed until the plea is entered, or other things.

Time and the process will tell.

I will state again for the record that I do not believe a regular person with that much income would have got two misdemnor probations for Income not reported and taxed. Others disagree. Unless, one can provide evidence that such a deal is being cut only because Hunter Biden is the President's son, or to protect the President we have nothing to scream about.

Congress, both the House and the Senate, have my support to investigate the above. THey have oversight of the DOJ and Executive Branch. Such is in their purview.

Comparing the diverson of the gun charge to folks not convicted of gun charges is not comparable.

Comparing Hunter Biden's deal to other Tax/White Collar crime cases who went to prison is comparable. There is no allegation that Hunter Biden has lied. Maybe, if Martha Stewart had not lied, she would not have went to prison. We just do not know.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even weigh taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Great, now how does that compare to two counts of not reporting income for taxation. I agree with you to the extent two misdemnors plea deals for tax appears too light.

Maybe Ms. Hemlsley should have taken a deal when one was available, if avaiable.

Maybe the facts of her case compare to Hunter Biden's siutation. We do not know.

Becasue we do not know, I am disinclied to call the game "rigged" or "innapporiate resloution."

I guess TDS is kind of like pancreatic cancer.

Tell me how Hunter Biden facts match the facts you cited?

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even successfully avoid taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Well, she left $12 million to her dog when she passed. I guess she could afford it.

I would think someone with your experience, maybe not though in federal court?, would know that every subsequent filing without the tax liability revealed would be a new and separate felony. Any filing with a CPAs assistance could be a conspiracy count, etc., etc.
If the federal government wanted Hunter, they’d morph two charges into 10 separate counts or more.

Read Trumps indictment. Over thirty charges. Take them to the lowest common denominator, and you’ll see stacking charges is exactly what federal government did to Trump. it is Federal law right now that you can do that. Trump May deserve harsh treatment. Then look at Hunter and you can see easily in the way that the government has handled the charges against both men, a vast difference in the two prosecutions.

In any event, I think the limp-wrist slap on the president’s son, especially with Trump being the expected opponent of Joe, certainly does more to divide Americans than support a belief that there’s equal justice before the law.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even weigh taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Great, now how does that compare to two counts of not reporting income for taxation. I agree with you to the extent two misdemnors plea deals for tax appears too light.

Maybe Ms. Hemlsley should have taken a deal when one was available, if avaiable.

Maybe the facts of her case compare to Hunter Biden's siutation. We do not know.

Becasue we do not know, I am disinclied to call the game "rigged" or "innapporiate resloution."

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I would think someone with your experience, maybe not though in federal court?, would know that every subsequent filing without the tax liability revealed would be a new and separate felony. Any filing with a CPAs assistance could be a conspiracy count, etc., etc.
If the federal government wanted Hunter, they’d morph two charges into 10 separate counts or more.

Read Trumps indictment. Over thirty charges. Take them to the lowest common denominator, and you’ll see stacking charges is exactly what federal government did to Trump. it is Federal law right now that you can do that. Trump May deserve harsh treatment. Then look at Hunter and you can see easily in the way that the government has handled the charges against both men, a vast difference in the two prosecutions.

In any event, I think the limp-wrist slap on the president’s son, especially with Trump being the expected opponent of Joe, certainly does more to divide Americans than support a belief that there’s equal justice before the law.

And yes, TDS is just like a cancer...............a BRAIN cancer.

Tell me how HB is factually equivalent to your example.

I agree with you the deal seems too light. That does not make it corrupt.

I think HB could have been snaked for 2 tax felonies. At the same time, the deal is not out of line. Unless, we can demonstrate treatment based on his status as the President’s son.

I think others similarly situated have had to eat felonies.

Again, maybe your example should have taken the deal, assuming one was offered.

There also does not appear to be some conspiracy to defraud with HB.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Congress, both the House and the Senate, have my support to investigate the above. THey have oversight of the DOJ and Executive Branch.

You living on Mars these days?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:.
There is no allegation that Hunter Biden has lied.

What's the charge in regards to the gun?

What I need to know before calling the deal corrupt is whether;

1) The White House had at pressure on the Prosecution or investigators,
2) HB take any act to conceal the funds,
Or
3) Engage in a pattern of conduct to divert income.

Does anyone else find it funny that
Congressional GOP members have discussed removing the tax code and doing away w the IRS.

Now, they are going to complain someone failed to report.

I hate tax cheats. I wish GB had taken a felony. There is a difference between appropriate use of discretion and corruption.

I do not know enough to decry corruption.

If we want to use this to get rid of the misdemeanors, so it is always a felony. I am fine with that.

Just like I am fine Congress investigating to answer the questions above.

Impeach and remove President Biden if you can show the White House engaged in pressure.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
What I need to know before calling the deal corrupt is whether;

1) The White House had at pressure on the Prosecution or investigators,
2) HB take any act to conceal the funds,
Or
3) Engage in a pattern of conduct to divert income.

Does anyone else find it funny that
Congressional GOP members have discussed removing the tax code and doing away w the IRS.

Now, they are going to complain someone failed to report.

I hate tax cheats. I wish GB had taken a felony. There is a difference between appropriate use of discretion and corruption.

I do not know enough to decry corruption.

If we want to use this to get rid of the misdemeanors, so it is always a felony. I am fine with that.

Just like I am fine Congress investigating to answer the questions above.

Impeach and remove President Biden if you can show the White House engaged in pressure.

hahahahaha do you really think that city is going to tell us all that?!!!


OF COURSE you do.......


Stop playing your bullshit ambulance chasing games Hymen.

I believe what I have written.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
I would think someone with your experience, maybe not though in federal court?, would know that every subsequent filing without the tax liability revealed would be a new and separate felony. Any filing with a CPAs assistance could be a conspiracy count, etc., etc.
If the federal government wanted Hunter, they’d morph two charges into 10 separate counts or more.

Read Trumps indictment. Over thirty charges. Take them to the lowest common denominator, and you’ll see stacking charges is exactly what federal government did to Trump. it is Federal law right now that you can do that. Trump May deserve harsh treatment. Then look at Hunter and you can see easily in the way that the government has handled the charges against both men, a vast difference in the two prosecutions.

In any event, I think the limp-wrist slap on the president’s son, especially with Trump being the expected opponent of Joe, certainly does more to divide Americans than support a belief that there’s equal justice before the law.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even weigh taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Great, now how does that compare to two counts of not reporting income for taxation. I agree with you to the extent two misdemnors plea deals for tax appears too light.

Maybe Ms. Hemlsley should have taken a deal when one was available, if avaiable.

Maybe the facts of her case compare to Hunter Biden's siutation. We do not know.

Becasue we do not know, I am disinclied to call the game "rigged" or "innapporiate resloution."

Maybe you should complain to US Attorney David Weiss. He's the guy that ultimately would have approved the plea. Trump appointee, by the way.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
I would think someone with your experience, maybe not though in federal court?, would know that every subsequent filing without the tax liability revealed would be a new and separate felony. Any filing with a CPAs assistance could be a conspiracy count, etc., etc.
If the federal government wanted Hunter, they’d morph two charges into 10 separate counts or more.

Read Trumps indictment. Over thirty charges. Take them to the lowest common denominator, and you’ll see stacking charges is exactly what federal government did to Trump. it is Federal law right now that you can do that. Trump May deserve harsh treatment. Then look at Hunter and you can see easily in the way that the government has handled the charges against both men, a vast difference in the two prosecutions.

In any event, I think the limp-wrist slap on the president’s son, especially with Trump being the expected opponent of Joe, certainly does more to divide Americans than support a belief that there’s equal justice before the law.

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Read the verdict and elements of the charges.


From her appeal.
“A jury convicted Leona M. Helmsley of one count of conspiracy, three counts of tax evasion, three counts of filing false personal tax returns, sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns, and ten counts of mail fraud. The convictions concerned a scheme to charge personal expenditures to various business enterprises that she and her husband owned or controlled. She was sentenced to four years in prison to be followed by three years of probation, fined over $7 million and ordered to pay restitution of nearly $2 million.”

She was convicted of 23 crimes. If you read the whole opinion, you’ll see that she didn’t even weigh taxes and paid too much. It was a conviction for each and every act towards the goal, ironically never reached.

Great, now how does that compare to two counts of not reporting income for taxation. I agree with you to the extent two misdemnors plea deals for tax appears too light.

Maybe Ms. Hemlsley should have taken a deal when one was available, if avaiable.

Maybe the facts of her case compare to Hunter Biden's siutation. We do not know.

Becasue we do not know, I am disinclied to call the game "rigged" or "innapporiate resloution."

Maybe you should complain to US Attorney David Weiss. He's the guy that ultimately would have approved the plea. Trump appointee, by the way.

They hit him harder than I thought they were going to. I expected it all to be swept under the rug.

Sweetheart deal for sure. If Joe public committed the offenses, they wouldn’t be so lucky.