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xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | ||
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I will go out on a big limb here. They should have just modified the funding to say that along with every abortion, the person getting the abortion also was required to be sterilized. If you want it funded by the public, you only get one sniff at the feed bag. If you pay for it yourself somewhere else, more power to you. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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This I can get on board with. It'll never fly. Idealistic youth and single women control the vote....along with scummy beggars. | |||
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Well, the point was that Texans and others who criticize the birth control services of PP by cutting funding are being penny wise and pound foolish. This article was result of study published in N. Eng. Journal Medicine and not to quote the whole thing which is needless, the study found that cutting back on PP birth control services probably raised the medicaid paid for birth rate by about 1.9%. Those extra births are almost certainly all going to be on the public dole for at least their first 18 years, and possibly long after while they occupy cells or continue the cycle with new births. All this for lack of funding for injectable contraceptives, birth control pills, etc. Frigging stupid. Compare costs of birth control to maintenance of children. That money doesn't fall out of the air, it comes from us who pay taxes. It has nothing to do with abortion, this is pre-pregnancy planning/prevention. PS: By law, none of the taxpayer funding received by PP can be used for abortions. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Charlie, I'm sorry but I don't look at it as a money thing. I'll not say anymore. | |||
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Well, I support Planned Parenthood both in the vast majority of their expenses (97%) which is used for women's health and for the 3% which all comes from private contributions that is used for abortions. Of course, I realize that money is fungible. Unrelated to PP, I think they should have "Free Abortion" tickets at every bus stop and school. There would be a helluva lot less unwanted, abused, neglected, defective, drug addicted, mal-nourished, etc. children in this world that I and other taxpayers have to care for, including their mothers in many cases. Anyone who wants to show concern for the sanctity of life, I certainly hope that NONE of them were stupid enough to support the Iraq invasion, for starters. To quote that great philosopher, George Carlin:
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Charlie, We will agree to disagree. | |||
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Hhhmmm....It is the conservative Texans fault that women did not get free birth control. Those women than became pregnant and had babies. I am not sure I see a problem with the defunding. The problem is using taxpayer money for things the government shouldn't be involved in. Removing the consequences for bad decisions only results in more bad decisions being made. Tom | |||
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To answer your first question, yes. Who do you think pushed defunding? To follow your second, think harder, if you pay taxes, otherwise, it won't cost you anything. Or, to make it clearer, which do you think is cheaper, a few dollars worth of birth control, or paying medicaid for a birth and child support for 18 years? Not to mention ancillary costs for the mother. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Why do we have to choose either? . | |||
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Because people of all economic classes are going to fuck, so do you want to pay for the results beforehand with a few pennies for birth control or after the fact with many dollars? It is not a question of "either or" but rather how much is the current and future cost to taxpayers? It's pay now or pay much more later. The platitude of "why should we pay for either" is simply denying current political reality, similar to paying taxes. Very few people like paying them but we do because it is the law. Do you actually think we the people of the US are going to stop medicaid, welfare, food stamps, etc. Wake up and smell reality. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Do you like the status quo then? . | |||
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Why do you ask? Do you have any real world solutions? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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That doesn't mean the two are related. If the women were eligible for Medicaid then they had access to birth control pills. Maybe all the government freebies and Obama's efforts to impede enforcement of immigration laws and to stop deporting illegals had an effect and we are just seeing more who decided to have anchor babies. Or maybe it means more women who wanted to carry to term did so when they were not subjected to pressure and brainwashing by Planned Parenthood propaganda and employees. . | |||
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Of course, pure coincidence, I'm sure. I would suggest you read the study in the NEJM. Do you seriously think PP "pressures and brainwashes" pregnant women to have abortions? What would be their gain? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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If we're choosing teams on this, I'm on Gato's team. | |||
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And I couldn't ask for a better team mate. So, let's get some Q. BTW I plan on going to Kuby's Sausage House tomorrow in Dallas to try some of their 300 yr old sausage recipes. Will report back. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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